The Islamic Jihadi’s War Against Christianity

[Armour of God]

Many fake Christians
support evil

 

[Anchorite]

 

[RepentingChristian]

If you think it's about "torturing and murdering Himalayan numbers of people" or drugs, then you've believed the lie.

That's a political statement. I thought we were discussing the removal of mass murderers.

Anyway, are you saying you would watch some guy cut your family into little pieces rather than shoot him?

 

[NayborBear]

That's a political statement. I thought we were discussing the removal of mass murderers.

Anyway, are you saying you would watch some guy cut your family into little pieces rather than shoot him?

It's the "Attack of the Locust Army!"
aka:
"Ate up with the dumb dumbs!" (this IS a "for all audiences" forum yanno? )

 

[Armour of God]

We should all be greatful to those brave men who made the sacrifice to defend Christianity against evil

 

[Wrangler]

Such a pastor should not be listened to. If the entire Bible can be summarized by two words (and it can’t), it would be “Love God.”

Well, you have your opinion and he has his. I agree with his opinion.

I once told a pastor if I could change one thing about the church it would be for them to never use the word love again. It's abused as a surrogate for anything, especially emotional manipulation. Because we love God, what action do we take? Because we love people, what action do we take? I believe there are 6 Greek words for love and the English word that best describes the highest form is compassion.

Compassion is universal. Love is not - even though Christians try to pretend it is. People love virtue not vice. It's foolish to pretend we love vice and evil. God himself hates, which we should also. Proverbs 6:16-19
16 There are six things the Lord hates—
no, seven things he detests:
17 haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that kill the innocent,
18 a heart that plots evil,
feet that race to do wrong,
19 a false witness who pours out lies,
a person who sows discord in a family.

This causes Christians to suffer cognitive dissonance. "Unconditional love" is a contradiction in terms. There is no such thing and is extreme gas lighting because hardly anything is more conditional than love. We fall in love with a persons virtue - their beauty, talent, intellect, virtue - and there is a severe selection process for all history.

Compassion is unconditional. And we can show compassion to our enemies once they surrender - not before. Doing so before makes one a traitor for it is giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

4 COMPASSION is patient and kind. COMPASSION is not jealous or boastful or proud 5 or rude. It does not demand its own way. It is not irritable, and it keeps no record of being wronged. 6 It does not rejoice about injustice but rejoices whenever the truth wins out. 7 COMPASSION never gives up, never loses faith, is always hopeful, and endures through every circumstance.​

 

[Wrangler]

Quote me, exactly, and link the post.

I already did.

You also ignore the fact that Jesus distinguishes between “what is Caesar’s” and “what is God’s.”

Projecting. I'm focusing on verses and parts of verses relevant to this thread, the proper Christian response to Islamic Jihad. Being overly spiritualized, you want to pretend it's all about spiritual matters despite Christ's soulful command. I am not denying there are spiritual verses in Scripture; You are denying there are soulful verses in Scripture.

Notice that you even quote the very context you ignore in order to justify violence in the name of Christ:

“ME: Agreed. Jesus will immediately kill his enemies upon his return.”

When, exactly, will Jesus kill his enemies? “Upon his return.” What does God require of us in the meantime? See both mine and @Anchorite’s responses HERE.

Huh? What does God require of us in the meantime? Obviously, the overly-spiritualized answer is to commit suicide by inaction against Islamic Jihad!

Your responses "HERE" that you seem to want me to reply to are mere deflections from verses that don't support your overly-spiritualized pacifism. Yes, Jesus said to give to God what is God's but he also said, give to Caesar what is Caesar's - and he said that part first. And that is the part that is relevant to the proper Christian response to Jihad, as the Crusaders showed. Other than claiming to be 'too religious' to stop the destruction of Christendom, what is your solution to Islamic Jihad to advance the Kingdom of God in this world, here and now? And let me ask you these follow up questions.

1. Are you aware: that the God we worship doesn't shun violence but employs it routinely? That God is a warrior? Exodus 15:3. That he is not just a warrior but The Lord of Heaven’s Armies? Psalm 46:7.
   • Jesus even told us to fear God because he can destroy our body and our soul.
2. Can you concede that violence is a divine solution to evil problems?
   
   • This is proven by God commanding his children to battle many times, i.e., we are used as divine instruments of justice by the effective use of violence in this world, here and now.
   • This proves violence is commanded in Scripture - not prohibited!
   • Now, we can delve into the particulars of WHERE and WHEN but first, kindly concede the principle that violence is a divine solution to evil problems.
3. What do you make of us being made in God's image in light of him being a warrior who routinely employs violence to solve evil problems?
   • God and God's children are warriors by God's command, which modern feminized Christendom demurs!
4. Are you aware that we are commanded to DO Justice? Micah 6:8 and not neglect the weightier matter's of God's will, JUSTICE, Matthew 23:23?
   • Common criminals are brought to justice.
   • A righteous war brings justice to the enemy.
5. What purpose would anyone tell Christ followers to arm themselves? Luke 22:36
6. We are supposed to judge matters in this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3. Why do many modern Christians make themselves irrelevant in the public square when past generations, like the Crusaders, acted on the above Christian principles, in response to Jihad?
7. Explain your dismissing us modeling Jesus smiting his enemies immediately upon his 2nd coming and violently throwing many to their deaths in the Lake of Fire. (The Alpha and the Omega employs violence, his first act upon his return and his last act.)
   • Why is it OK for Jesus to employ violence to solve the problem of evil but not OK for us?

You dismiss us modeling Jesus when doing so is inconvenient to your pacifist argument, which is outrageous! Modern, feminized Christians turned Jesus into an IDOL, a feminized, pacifist idol, despite Scriptures to the contrary showing a masculine and marshal man of violent action when called for. Jesus will ultimately kill more people than anyone ever did. It's so odd that you so confidently deny the facts of history of millions of Christians over centuries who didn't embrace modern Christian's pacifism. Obviously, Revelation shows that God's final solution to evil is violent annihilation. And this tells the story of how we are to address evil in the meantime. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

 

[Anchorite]

 

[Justified]

Do you know what the objective was.
To defend Christianity and Europe against the evil forces of Islam.
You would be nothing without them if they just allowed evil to keep invading them.
NOTHING

I know very well what the objective was, as I covered it all in my Christian history class. I also learned that they killed Christians and Jews, along with raping and pillaging. There was hardly anything Christian about the Crusades.

 

[Justified]

Undoubtedly, but the question is the morality of violently removing mass-murdering leaders.

But that wasn't why it was done. It was a bully picking on someone far weaker, which is what bullies do. Why doesn't Trump go after Kim Jong Un or Xi Jinping or Putin?

What about Trump himself who has committed mass murder and supported mass murder in Gaza, Iran, and Lebanon? Trump is as immoral and corrupt as a leader (or any person) can be. Shouldn't you then be supportive of another country removing him from power? Or do you only support such actions when it fits your biases and beliefs? Do you only support violence when it is done in the name of Christ? That would be a very anti-Christ position to hold (which is what MAGA is).

 

[NayborBear]

I once told a pastor if I could change one thing about the church it would be for them to never use the word love again. It's abused as a surrogate for anything, especially emotional manipulation.

AMEN BROTHER!
I couldn't WHOLE-HEARTEDLY agree with you MORE then I just have!

That word/term "love" ESPECIALLY "Agapeo (unconditional) love" has been so undermined and misguided by "tares that choke" which has infiltrated other forms and feelings OF love?
To me?
Agapeo Love is the "direct red phone line" from the believer TO GOD!
AND NO ONE AND NOTHING ELSE!

 

[Wrangler]

Why doesn't Trump go after Kim Jong Un or Xi Jinping or Putin?

You seem eager for him to do so. The main reason is they are not imminently threatening US interests militarily like Iran was.

 

[Wrangler]

What about Trump himself who has committed mass murder

You lack discernment. Murder ≠ Kill

 

[Wrangler]

There was hardly anything Christian about the Crusades.

Willful ignorance.

 

[Justified]

Well, you have your opinion and he has his. I agree with his opinion.

I once told a pastor if I could change one thing about the church it would be for them to never use the word love again.

That explains everything and says all I need to know. No true believer would ever believe or say such a thing. That is incredibly unbiblical and anti-Christ.

I already did.

You quoted me, yes, but you didn't quote where I supposedly said, "Since we aren't Jesus, we shouldn't even try to emulate him." Please provide the exact quote and post where I said that.

Projecting. I'm focusing on verses and parts of verses relevant to this thread, the proper Christian response to Islamic Jihad.

You're proof-texting and so ignoring much context that doesn't suit your beliefs, leading to wrong conclusions.

Being overly spiritualized, you want to pretend it's all about spiritual matters despite Christ's soulful command. I am not denying there are spiritual verses in Scripture; You are denying there are soulful verses in Scripture.

Lol. What are "soulful verses"?

Huh? What does God require of us in the meantime? Obviously, the overly-spiritualized answer is to commit suicide by inaction against Islamic Jihad!

Case in point--wrong conclusions based on ignoring context.

Your responses "HERE" that you seem to want me to reply to are mere deflections from verses that don't support your overly-spiritualized pacifism. Yes, Jesus said to give to God what is God's but he also said, give to Caesar what is Caesar's - and he said that part first. And that is the part that is relevant to the proper Christian response to Jihad, as the Crusaders showed. Other than claiming to be 'too religious' to stop the destruction of Christendom, what is your solution to Islamic Jihad to advance the Kingdom of God in this world, here and now? And let me ask you these follow up questions.

1. Are you aware: that the God we worship doesn't shun violence but employs it routinely? That God is a warrior? Exodus 15:3. That he is not just a warrior but The Lord of Heaven’s Armies? Psalm 46:7.
   • Jesus even told us to fear God because he can destroy our body and our soul.
2. Can you concede that violence is a divine solution to evil problems?
   
   • This is proven by God commanding his children to battle many times, i.e., we are used as divine instruments of justice by the effective use of violence in this world, here and now.
   • This proves violence is commanded in Scripture - not prohibited!
   • Now, we can delve into the particulars of WHERE and WHEN but first, kindly concede the principle that violence is a divine solution to evil problems.
3. What do you make of us being made in God's image in light of him being a warrior who routinely employs violence to solve evil problems?
   • God and God's children are warriors by God's command, which modern feminized Christendom demurs!
4. Are you aware that we are commanded to DO Justice? Micah 6:8 and not neglect the weightier matter's of God's will, JUSTICE, Matthew 23:23?
   • Common criminals are brought to justice.
   • A righteous war brings justice to the enemy.
5. What purpose would anyone tell Christ followers to arm themselves? Luke 22:36
6. We are supposed to judge matters in this life. 1 Corinthians 6:3. Why do many modern Christians make themselves irrelevant in the public square when past generations, like the Crusaders, acted on the above Christian principles, in response to Jihad?
7. Explain your dismissing us modeling Jesus smiting his enemies immediately upon his 2nd coming and violently throwing many to their deaths in the Lake of Fire. (The Alpha and the Omega employs violence, his first act upon his return and his last act.)
   • Why is it OK for Jesus to employ violence to solve the problem of evil but not OK for us?

You dismiss us modeling Jesus when doing so is inconvenient to your pacifist argument, which is outrageous! Modern, feminized Christians turned Jesus into an IDOL, a feminized, pacifist idol, despite Scriptures to the contrary showing a masculine and marshal man of violent action when called for. Jesus will ultimately kill more people than anyone ever did. It's so odd that you so confidently deny the facts of history of millions of Christians over centuries who didn't embrace modern Christian's pacifism. Obviously, Revelation shows that God's final solution to evil is violent annihilation. And this tells the story of how we are to address evil in the meantime. Thank you for your attention in this matter.

Spoken like a true MAGA supporter--take all the passages of violence to support violence in the name of Christ, while ignoring the many times that Christians are commanded to love their enemies and leave vengeance in God's hands. The task of believers is to "go and make disciples of all nations," not kill those who persecute you. You lack true trust and faith in God; your faith is in man, in chariots and horses.

 

[NayborBear]

I know very well what the objective was, as I covered it all in my Christian history class. I also learned that they killed Christians and Jews, along with raping and pillaging. There was hardly anything Christian about the Crusades.

Well then? Riddle me THIS! If you'd be so kind!
When in a WAR you come across Jews, Christians, heathens, pagans:
Who WILL NOT LEAD?
Will NOT Follow?
And worse?
Will NOT Get NOR STAY Out of YOUR WAY?

I'm supposing your answer may well sound something akin to"
"Well?" "In THAT case?"
"I'll just pick up my bat and ball and go home!"

So? Thank Jesus for the Great Commission!
Thank He who SENT Jesus with the Gospel for God's Grace in able to do it!
Otherwise?
We'd ALL be using prayer rugs and praying to allah!

 

[Justified]

You seem eager for him to do so.

Not at all. There is no way to conclude that based on what I have said, if one can reason well. My point clearly is that since Trump only goes after those who are weak or thinks are weak, murdering in the process, that any argument to removing Maduro on the supposed basis of him being a mass murder, is moot.

The main reason is they are not imminently threatening US interests militarily like Iran was.

No, the main reason is that the U.S. would get demolished. It's easier and costs less to get oil from weaker countries.

You lack discernment. Murder ≠ Kill

No, Trump has murdered in Iran and the supposed "drug" boats, and supported murder by Netanyahu, not to mention the murder of immigrants in the U.S.

 

[RepentingChristian]

What about Trump himself who has committed mass murder and supported mass murder in Gaza

You're a radical leftist nutcase living in a delusion. You have been spiritually blinded.

 

[Justified]

Well then? Riddle me THIS! If you'd be so kind!
When in a WAR you come across Jews, Christians, heathens, pagans:
Who WILL NOT LEAD?
Will NOT Follow?
And worse?
Will NOT Get NOR STAY Out of YOUR WAY?

I'm supposing your answer may well sound something akin to"
"Well?" "In THAT case?"
"I'll just pick up my bat and ball and go home!"

I have no idea what you're saying here.

So? Thank Jesus for the Great Commission!

Thank He who SENT Jesus with the Gospel for God's Grace in able to do it!
Otherwise?
We'd ALL be using prayer rugs and praying to allah!

You would rather kill your enemies than evangelize. That is un-Christian, unbiblical, and anti-Christ.

 

[Anchorite]

Lovers of violence try to claim that Jesus wanted His disciples to arm themselves, to have weapons for self defense.

But when Jesus said buy a sword, and the disciples replied they had two swords, Jesus said that was enough.

Thus, the swords were not for self defense or for killing those who attack. Two swords would not be nearly enough to combat the Roman soldiers who were coming to arrest Jesus. In fact, when Peter used his sword to cut off someone’s ear, Jesus healed the ear and scolded Peter to put away his sword.

Jesus condemned weaponry by saying that all who use the sword will perish by the sword.

Those two swords were enough for Jesus to be reckoned among the transgressors.

"Jesus reckoned among the transgressors" refers to the fulfillment of prophecy (Isaiah 53:12) where Jesus was treated, condemned, and executed as a common criminal, specifically by being crucified between two thieves. This act represents his deep identification with sinful humanity, substituting himself in the place of sinners to achieve atonement and reconciliation with God.


Luke 22

36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

37 For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.

38 And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.



Matthew 26:52

Then said Jesus unto him, “Put up again thy sword into his place, for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword.”



John 18:36

Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servants fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.