Rapture Thoughts of Some Early Church Leaders

[rebuilder 454]

Why are you here SI.?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You are such a Little clown with nothing better to do.

Oh, did you manage to take me off of your ignore list, little boy? I'm surprised you figured out how to do that. How odd that you replied to a post that was not directed to you at all. That tracks with how little sense you make.

Following me around like a little kid mocking and being a coward.

LOL. Stop saying dumb things and then I won't have anything to mock. This is a public forum and I can reply to any post I want. I couldn't care less if you reply back or not. When you post utter nonsense over and over again, as you do, I have the right to refute it. And make fun of it when it's so obviously ridiculous, as most of your posts are. How about focusing on looking at yourself and working on growing up and not acting like a little child on here instead of worrying about me, buddy? Can you do that, little guy?

Reminds me of the devil following the men of God around mocking and menacing.

LOL. Such nonsense. Give me a reason to take you seriously instead of doing all this whining. Your posts are pathetic. Total incoherent gibberish. Maybe you can take a class to learn how to present your beliefs in a coherent way or something. You do nothing but make claims left and right without providing coherent scriptural arguments to back them up. That's on you. Stop posting so much nonsense and start getting serious and learn how to debate and how to present arguments like an adult.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Why are you here SI.?

To present truth to people who want to know the truth because there's a lot of ignorance going on here. Why are you here? Just look at your posts. Everyone here can see how incoherent they are. No one ever agrees with you. You think your many words equate with scripture. You never make any coherent arguments using scripture. This is a place where people debate scripture. You have no clue how to debate and how to present your beliefs in a clear, understandable way. You should step aside and let the adults talk.

 

[Taken]

From google:
Based on current scientific understanding of evolutionary biology, genetics, and the fossil record, the chances of millions of species evolving from 1,000 common "kinds" in only 4,000 years is considered extremely low to biologically impossible. [1, 2]

I doubled the assertion number you used from 500 to 1000.
Even 1000 common kinds evolving to our current species is impossible.
So if you are taking a position of "kinds" vs "species", you would have an extreme number of animals.
More than what is estimated.

You got a real problem there.
Because the BIBLE SAYS , all died. Every breathing thing died.

Kinds and species are not the same thing.
I have no problem. Doesn’t effect me how many animals were on the Ark. Just guessing like everyone else.

 

[PinSeeker]

It's so ridiculous the way you think...

We think the same of each other, then, there, for sure. Except I would state in this way: It's so ridiculous the way you... "think." <chuckles> Two examples:

1. Regarding Hebrews 11:1 and your statement that "Other translations don't word it that way," right, other translations, instead of 'assurance,' use other terms, but meaning the same thing, and if there is any confusion, it's settled with the definition of the original Greek word used there, πίστις (pistis), which, SI, is a noun, of course, biblically denoting a gift from God, a divine persuasion that enables believers to trust in His promises and act upon that trust. Here's Bible Hub on it:​

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pístis (from peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust)​

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Faith (pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).​

2. As I said regarding John 6 and you're insistence that Jesus is talking about anything other than Himself in speaking of the bread of Heaven, after saying "Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you," He then says:​

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"Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He Who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, 'Sir, give us this bread always.' Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life.' "​

Maybe you'll... rethink some things... Or not; that's your deal, of course. But like this, most everything we've talked about you've twisted into something other than it is. And how you can even suggest that is anything other than what it is... I mean you can't. But you do, and it's not just a one-time thing, you've done it regarding every single thing we've talked about.

I'm done with your graceless, whiney, petulant manner. Grace and peace to you.

 

[The Light]

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"Matthew 24 has no ties to Revelation 19. Matthew 24 is the gathering from heaven and earth immediately after the tribulation and before the wrath of God. Whereas Revelation 19 is the coming of Jesus at Armageddon. There is not a harvest at this time. It is the time of vengeance. Why you are unable to see this is another puzzle."

This is the continuing corner you keep painting yourself into.

The BIBLE SAYS, " ."

You= " that is not the wrath"

Ok, I am painting myself into a corner. But it the correct corner. It's the only corner with the door.

Great. The Word of God says that Tribulation such as the world has never seen or ever will see again. The word of God also says this great tribulation is OVER at the 6th seal. So that's end of the story. The great tribulation, when believers are killed, is over at the 6th seal. The greatest tribulation that the world will ever see is over at the 6th seal. Now it's God turn and the 7th seal opened.

I have no clue why you can't believe what is written. Quit listening to everyone. Quit believing what you think. We can know. IT IS WRITTEN.

There is no need for confusion. The great tribulation is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. When the 6th seal is opened the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven...............just like it says. There is no thinking needed.

Matt 24, has Jesus coming in power and great glory, which is identical to the second coming of rev 19.

Jesus coming in power and glory occurs at the 6th seal. Matthew 24 is a harvest. It is not Revelation 19 and Armageddon. Read the text. There is no Armageddon in the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24. There is Jesus coming in power and glory at the 6th seal because the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven.

I have no clue why you can grasp these FACTS. It written in the Word God. We do need to draw any false conclusions such at the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 is the coming of Jesus at Armageddon. It's not.

You= even when he comes without any power and great glory, I need it to be otherwise, so I just declare in opposition to the bible, that every APPEARANCE is in power and great glory, in opposition to Rev 19's vivid depiction, so the bible is wrong, what I think and my strict word definitions matter over what really is.

Just read what it says and stop drawing these false conclusions that have been passed down. The Word of God says the great tribulation is over when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven. This is the exact thing that occurs at the 6th seal. No false conclusions need to be made.

You will never understand the Word of God until you believe what it written. Why make thing up?

So the bible needs to not make sense to protect your strict definitions of "trib" , "wrath", stars, etc.

It's simple. The word of God says that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal. Why do you want to put the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 as Jesus coming for Armageddon when it is totally unscriptural.

 

[The Light]

The selfsame day THEY ENTERING, could be "the last of the loading."

Again, I don't need some strict private, "word definitions interpretation", by you, to unpack the word of God.

Wow. On the selfsame day I want you and the kids, and the dogs a cats to load up in the car and go to grandma's house. Do you need private interpretation to understand this sentence? Why do you have so much trouble believing what it written?

Besides that, it RAINED THAT DAY. So there is not a full day to do your impossible LOADING interpretation.

No it didn't. The first thing God said to Noah was enter the ark. Then it says Noah did as he was commanded. Then it says that Noah, his family and all the animals entered the ark on the selfsame day. That day is the day that God told him to enter............the first day.

That means you could possibly be telling me that in 3 hours the thousands of animals, reptiles, and birds were loaded.
The deluge STARTED THE SELFSAME DAY.
You are telling me that for 7 days, no animals could enter the ark except after 6 of the last 7 days.
Noah telling Ham , " no no no don't let any animals in"... "make them all, wait outside until the day it starts raining".

No. Another false conclusion of what I am saying. Noah entered on the 1st day, the day the Lord told him to enter. Noah, his family and all the animals entered on the day he was told to enter. That was day one. We do not know what day the Lord shut the door as we do not know the day nor the hour that He will come.

So your deal is truly impossible.
When I debate error, it is the impossible that I showcase.

Tell that to God. He wrote it. I believe it. And that's how it is. You will never understand end times until you believe EXACTLY what is written. There are no private interpretations or false conclusion or lack of faith needed. If the Word of God says the animals were loaded in 15 minutes.................that's fact.

example;
Postribber Rapture impossibilities. I reveal tons of them, but like you, they CENTER ON WORD MISREPRESTSTIONS.
EXACTLY AS YOU DO.
They CENTER on: seals, first trump, last trump, seventh trump, AFTER THE TRIB, (Sound familliar?),
...all while , like you, OMITTING VERSES AND CONTEXT.
Every single postribber rapture talking point is shot down by God's word.
Every single one of them.
Bible rules

Dude. I believe exactly what is written. If the Word of God says that the Great Tribulation is over at the 6th seal, that's what I believe. I have come to the conclusion that God has blinded people just as he has blinded the Jews. Despite, the Word of God stating EXACTLY what will happen and when............you just can't believe it. I am convinced that people are blinded. This is simple stuff and yet you cannot see what is clearly written.

 

[The Light]

Most likely the last of the animals and the 8 humans went in on the selfsame day.
Your model of, "they could not load anything except in the last day of the 7 days", is a very strange fantasy, that you need,to support a failed doctrine.
I am sure you struggle over the bible saying "7" days....therefore it is forbidden, correct?..(hence the struggle over a 7 day loading).
( all "7's" are against what you believe?)
Because, to dig in with " it was forbidden to load any living creature, except the day of the flood", ( which could have been 3 hours, or 10 minutes, a super "tiny timeframe", to load thousands of creatures)Is beyond ludicrous.

You constantly draw false conclusions of what I am saying and then come up with reasons why I am wrong. This is a patterns

Noah loads the animals on the 1st day of the 7 as that is the day that the Lord told him to load them. It's the first thing that God says to Noah.

Genesis 7
1 And the Lord said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; ........................................................................

On the self-same day, Noah, his family and all the animals entered into the ark..............day one.

Remember the flood started the selfsame day.....and would have ruined the loading, since it was a few minutes or hours to accomplish the massive undertaking that must have taken days.

No brother. Noah did not enter the day of the flood. The Word days that it rained 40 days and nights. Then it starts a new paragraph. That next paragraph does not say Noah enters the ark the day the flood comes. It is saying that everything was loaded on the selfsame day. That day was day one, when he was told to enter.

 

[Taken]

Now that is profound, that all breathing animals died, because in nature there is the separation of the species.
So in the cat family, a lion and a jaguar can not procreate. A horse and a donkey produce a sterile mule.
A red bird can not successfully mate with a sparrow.
That is the protection of the species.
Even the marsupials are so unique and would have had to survive.

It could not be "( hey we got a lion, that will do for the cat family")..nope we would need EVERY SINGLE CAT SPECIES.
That is where we would need thousands and thousands of mammals ( alone) to survive the flood.
It is beyond the imagination .
*****now with a few more facts.****
Africa alone has over 1000 SPECIES OF mammals
South America with over 1000
Australia alone has almost 800.

Throw in north America, Asia, Russia, Europe.
(Remember we are talking MAMMALS ONLY.)

Load all that in 12 or so hours.
Maybe leave the birds and reptiles to catch up later.

NOW WHY 7 DAYS?
7 is the number of completion.

Ark completed after almos 100 years, then the 7 days of animal, bird, reptile loading, then the rain started.

You are STILL speaking of “Species”…your example… ALL …Cats….Thousands…that may or may Not interbreed/ reproduce.



I am speaking of “KINDS”….

Typically-
Lions breed only with Lions.
However a male Lion Can breed with a female Tiger.
Result a Liger.

As well a male Leopard Can breed with a female Lion.
Result a Leopon.

As well a male Jaguar can breed with a female Leopard.
Result a Jagualep.

Results Hybrids- then producing Hybrids…
Considering the passage of Time of 6,000 years…
Today…Resulting in thousands of “SPECIES” regarding numerous animals …

My Point is… Highly unlikely…in the Ancient Day of the Flood…”thousands of SPECIES” were an issue to Be considered.

God delivered the Animals to the Ark for Noah to load, settle, manage, feed, water, dispose of waste, and care for for a year.

I believe God reasonably, Tasked Noah with Animal management suitable that 4 Adult men, “Could” Manage Daily.
*Thousands of Animals is NOT “Space or Man Managing” daily Reasonable.
*Huge mature Animals is NOT “Space or Man Managing” daily Reasonable.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Dude. I believe exactly what is written. If the Word of God says that the Great Tribulation is over at the 6th seal, that's what I believe.

A “Great Tribulation”… (The First and the Last to Come)…
Is Expressly Gods “Tribulations” (chaos, havoc, pandemonium, disruption) Sent Down from Heaven upon the Earth….
IS to Destroy.

The First to BE Sent, Begins with the Opening of The Book of Seals…

As each Seal is opened, men are beginning to be exposed to and dealing with the chaos.

As the chaos increases… the men Begin Recognize, the Chaos and Destruction are not mere incidents…(same now as this world experiences…areas to suffer destructions, hail, hurricanes, volcano eruptions, etc. )

Men in the days of the 6th seal opening, and the continuing spread of CHAOS…. Will begin to recognize … the Tribulations Sent from Heaven HAVE Begun….and they are in fear and panic of what follows thereafter…

They DO NOT END with the Sixth Seal…
They INCREASE… with severity of the 7th Seal, 7 Trumps and 7 Vials.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

We think the same of each other, then, there, for sure. Except I would state in this way: It's so ridiculous the way you... "think." <chuckles> Two examples:

1. Regarding Hebrews 11:1 and your statement that "Other translations don't word it that way," right, other translations, instead of 'assurance,' use other terms, but meaning the same thing, and if there is any confusion, it's settled with the definition of the original Greek word used there, πίστις (pistis), which, SI, is a noun, of course, biblically denoting a gift from God, a divine persuasion that enables believers to trust in His promises and act upon that trust.​

All you're doing here is sharing your wrong opinion about what you think faith is. As if that's going to convince me of anything? Again, you have no idea of what faith is. You've made that abundantly clear. And nothing you're saying here changes that.

Faith relates to trust. Having faith in Christ means that you submit to Christ and have your trust in Him as your personal Lord and Savior rather than yourself or anyone else. How can that be given or forced upon someone? That's ridiculous. Saving faith is an act of the will. It's not something that can be given against someone's will.

Strong's Definitions from blueletterbible.org

πίστις pístis, pis'-tis; from G3982; persuasion, i.e. credence; moral conviction (of religious truth, or the truthfulness of God or a religious teacher), especially reliance upon Christ for salvation; abstractly, constancy in such profession; by extension, the system of religious (Gospel) truth itself:—assurance, belief, believe, faith, fidelity.

How can "reliance upon Christ for salvation" just be given to someone? That's ridiculous. Joshua gave the Israelite people a choice between serving the Lord or one of the gods of their forefathers. Choosing who to serve means choosing who to put your faith and trust in. It was clearly their choice. God didn't make it for them. He didn't give them faith to serve Him. They had to decide. Why do you not understand faith the way Joshua did? You choose to believe or not, it's not forced upon you.

There is no excuse for anyone to not have faith in God. To not glorify Him and be thankful to Him (Romans 1:18-21). You give people an excuse for not having faith by saying that a person can only have faith if it is given to them by God. In your doctrine, if someone doesn't have faith then they can give the excuse that they can't help that because God didn't give it to them. Why are you okay with holding to a false doctrine that gives people an excuse for not having faith?

Here's Bible Hub on it:​

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pístis (from peithô, "persuade, be persuaded") – properly, persuasion (be persuaded, come to trust)​

How can you not understand what this is saying? Do you not know what persuasion means? Look at this....

Acts 17:1 Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where there was a synagogue of the Jews. 2 Then Paul, as his custom was, went in to them, and for three Sabbaths reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3 explaining and demonstrating that the Christ had to suffer and rise again from the dead, and saying, “This Jesus whom I preach to you is the Christ.” 4 And some of them were persuaded; and a great multitude of the devout Greeks, and not a few of the leading women, joined Paul and Silas.

If faith is just given to people by God without them having any choice in the matter, then why did Paul bother spending so much time preaching in synagogues trying to persuade people to believe the gospel? Why didn't He just preach for a short time, then let God do His thing and give the people faith who He wanted to have faith? Instead, Paul preached to people multiple times and for a long time trying to persuade them. It says He reasoned with them If faith was given to people, why would hours and days of reasoning with people while trying to persuade them to believe be necessary? Paul doing that clearly implies that the decision to believe or not is up to the people who are hearing the gospel message. If God just gave faith to people, it makes no sense for anyone to spend several days trying to reason with people and persuade and convince them to believe. Why do you not even think of these things?

Faith (pistis) is always a gift from God, and never something that can be produced by people. In short, pistis ("faith") for the believer is "God's divine persuasion" – and therefore distinct from human belief (confidence), yet involving it. The Lord continuously births faith in the yielded believer so they can know what He prefers, i.e. the persuasion of His will (1 Jn 5:4).

Spoken like a true Calvinist. Do you think I'm going to be persuaded by this nonsense? No, because I can actually think and reason and I'm not a robot like you think human beings are.

2. As I said regarding John 6 and you're insistence that Jesus is talking about anything other than Himself in speaking of the bread of Heaven, after saying "Do not work for the food that perishes, but for the food that endures to eternal life, which the Son of Man will give to you,"

LOL! I said nothing about what the food represents. Hello? You have no reading comprehension skills. I'm talking about the word "work" there. He tells THEM to work for the food that endures to eternal life. He's talking about what THEY had to do to obtain eternal life. Just like Paul and Silas told the jailer what he had to do to be saved. What don't you understand about these simple things? Your doctrine has completely clouded your vision.

He then says:

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"Truly, truly, I say to you, it was not Moses who gave you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. For the bread of God is He Who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.” They said to him, 'Sir, give us this bread always.' Jesus said to them, 'I am the bread of life.' "​

Maybe you'll... rethink some things... Or not; that's your deal, of course.

Never did I say that Jesus is not the bread of life. Good grief. Learn how to read, please. I never said anything about the word "food" that Jesus referenced, I was talking about the word "work" that Jesus said they had to do to obtain eternal life and then after they asked Him what they had to do (since it wasn't clear when He was speaking figuratively) He told them they had to believe in the One who God the Father sent, which obviously was Him.

But like this, most everything we've talked about you've twisted into something other than it is.

You are the one who twisted a discussion about faith into a discussion about who the bread of life is. I NEVER said Jesus is not the bread of life. Unbelievable! I truly can't believe you are for real. I might use my free will to decide that you aren't for real. It would make this easier to take. It's too painful and nauseating to think that you might actually be for real.

And how you can even suggest that is anything other than what it is... I mean you can't.

I didn't. You can't get the time back that you waste making strawman arguments. And, wow, have you wasted a lot of time doing that.

But you do, and it's not just a one-time thing, you've done it regarding every single thing we've talked about.

Don't blame me for your terrible reading comprehension skills.

I'm done with your graceless, whiney, petulant manner. Grace and peace to you.

LOL. You'll be back. As always. And you need to look in the mirror. You are fooling yourself with your holier than thou act. I don't accept it when people blatantly twist scripture to make it say what they want it to say as you do. You need to humble yourself and repent of the dishonest way that you treat scripture. You need to stop being so stubborn while clinging to your false doctrine like you were for so long while insisting that Judas Iscariot was saved when he died, and acknowledge that you have been mistaken in your false Calvinists beliefs.

 

[rebuilder 454]

You are STILL speaking of “Species”…your example… ALL …Cats….Thousands…that may or may Not interbreed/ reproduce.



I am speaking of “KINDS”….

Typically-
Lions breed only with Lions.
However a male Lion Can breed with a female Tiger.
Result a Liger.

As well a male Leopard Can breed with a female Lion.
Result a Leopon.

As well a male Jaguar can breed with a female Leopard.
Result a Jagualep.

Results Hybrids- then producing Hybrids…
Considering the passage of Time of 6,000 years…
Today…Resulting in thousands of “SPECIES” regarding numerous animals …

My Point is… Highly unlikely…in the Ancient Day of the Flood…”thousands of SPECIES” were an issue to Be considered.

God delivered the Animals to the Ark for Noah to load, settle, manage, feed, water, dispose of waste, and care for for a year.

I believe God reasonably, Tasked Noah with Animal management suitable that 4 Adult men, “Could” Manage Daily.
*Thousands of Animals is NOT “Space or Man Managing” daily Reasonable.
*Huge mature Animals is NOT “Space or Man Managing” daily Reasonable.

Glory to God,
Taken

You are using the extremely rare bizarre examples to prove what ?
That there were 500 animals in the ark and then evolution took over to have thousands of UNIQUE SPECIES today?
Any bird watcher would 100% disagree.
Any animal study would 100% disagree.

A jagualep proves there were only 500 animals in the ark?
Nope nope nope
From the web:
"These hybrids, often known as jagupards (male jaguar + female leopard) or lepjags (male leopard + female jaguar), typically occur in captivity rather than in the wild, as their natural habitats are on different continents."


A leopon?
From the web ;
Sterility: Like most interspecies hybrids, male leopons are usually sterile.

Your theory is ...as I am proving....impossible

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"Results Hybrids- then producing Hybrids…
Considering the passage of Time of 6,000 years…
Today…Resulting in thousands of “SPECIES” regarding numerous animals …
My Point is… Highly unlikely…in the Ancient Day of the Flood…”thousands of SPECIES” were an issue to Be considered."

the one day loading gets progressively bizarre.
Under your theory , there would be almost no separation of the species.
You are telling me that massive interbreeding produced such DIVERSE SPECIES SEPARATION??????
HUH??????
To further complicate matters it is flat out impossible for such peculiar numerous and SPECIFIC species to evolve.
( in only a few thousand years.)
Do ANY of your hybrids mate successfully?

Example;
zebra and a horse
"typically referred to as a zorse. These hybrids are a type of "zebroid" and are created by breeding a zebra stallion with a horse mare. However, these offspring are almost always sterile and cannot reproduce themselves. [1, 2, 3]".
The more it is looked into, the more senseless it becomes.
I do not need the ark loaded in one day.

It gets worse and worse, because in the SPECIES SEPARATION, we would , under your theory, see tons of "freaks" in any heard.
Elk with ram horns....bunches of them.
You supposed leopards with Lion tails, or lion heads,
Rinos with elephant trunks.
elephants with rhino horns.
tons and tons of freaks.
Nope it is almost non eexistent.
Your theory is that there are more hybrids that actual separate diverse UNIQUE SPECIES...THAT CAN NOT SUCCESSFULLY REPRODUCE.
You are painting a picture of total animal extinction.

That entire "noah one day dynamic", entered the forum due to ( a member) insisting that the 7 days Noah was in the ark preflood, represented the pretrib rapture. ( he "the light", needed it to support a bogus theory)
Then He got challenged on it while I sat and ate popcorn.
Then HE CHANGED IT TO : "ark one day loading" ....cue religious condescension; "AS THE WORD OF GOD DECLARES"

The entire deal is so dumb.
I do not need a one day loading or a 7 day loading.
I do not need a 7 day analogy of Noah in the ark for 7 days prior to the trib.
You know what the root of that entire silly deal is????
HE SAYS THAT NOAH AND LOT ARE NOT USED BY JESUS for the same analogy.
Instead, that member, tries to make Noah represent the church and Lot represent the Jews....( or some such baloney).

THAT IS THE TYPE of goofy destinations that are the result of a person, with zero accountability, "connecting" the dots.
He thinks of himself as a solo guru, and no analytical dynamics. ( eg...the process of elimination, taking impossibilities off the table immediately)
Most of my methods are EXPOSING impossibilities...such as the animal population in the ark as well as the impossibility of a 3 hour loading.

This is where we need each other and HEAVEN ENDORSED DISCERMENT, and the ABILITY to admit we are wrong and GET TO THE TRUTH.

 

[Taken]

You are using the extremely rare bizarre examples to prove what ?

Scientists, you, me Can, Have Guessed and, ARE NOT Proving Anything!
It’s all “guesswork”….as I said.

God established “Kinds” of Animals to reproduce after their Same “Kind”….

So What, if my guessing, speculation is not the same as yours or others?
Yours and others guesswork is different then mine…

You say “millions”… I say God is Reasonable.
Managing Millions and Large animals with limited space and resources for a year by 4 men, on a boat no less, does not seem Reasonable to me.
My speculation, considered those things, so what?
How you speculated “millions” of Animals, just seems like a convenient guess, with no particular reasoning…so what?

This is where we need each other and HEAVEN ENDORSED DISCERMENT, and the ABILITY to admit we are wrong and GET TO THE TRUTH.

The Truth of the number of animals on the Ark, is UNKNOWN…obviously, not important in the context of a man’s Salvation.

How or Why does, should, as you suggest Anyone Admit to being WRONG, when the Truth of the Number of Animals, has Not been Revealed by God?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Scientists, you, me Can, Have Guessed and, ARE NOT Proving Anything!
It’s all “guesswork”….as I said.

God established “Kinds” of Animals to reproduce after their Same “Kind”….

So What, if my guessing, speculation is not the same as yours or others?
Yours and others guesswork is different then mine…

You say “millions”… I say God is Reasonable.
Managing Millions and Large animals with limited space and resources for a year by 4 men, on a boat no less, does not seem Reasonable to me.
My speculation, considered those things, so what?
How you speculated “millions” of Animals, just seems like a convenient guess, with no particular reasoning…so what?




The Truth of the number of animals on the Ark, is UNKNOWN…obviously, not important in the context of a man’s Salvation.

How or Why does, should, as you suggest Anyone Admit to being WRONG, when the Truth of the Number of Animals, has Not been Revealed by God?

You guys wonder why I mock your posts and say that you can't be taken seriously. Look at this ridiculous discussion you and @rebuilder 454 are having. What a colossal waste of time. This is not how to determine the truth of Bible prophecy. What you're babbling about here has nothing whatsoever to do with end times Bible prophecy.

 

[Taken]

You guys wonder why I mock your posts and say that you can't be taken seriously. Look at this ridiculous discussion you and @rebuilder 454 are having. What a colossal waste of time. This is not how to determine the truth of Bible prophecy. What you're babbling about here has nothing whatsoever to do with end times Bible prophecy.

Everyone can not be as “all knowing” as you think you are.

I have no issue with @rebuilder 454… or end of days tribulations from Heaven.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Everyone can not be as “all knowing” as you think you are.

What I said has nothing to do with being all knowing. It has to do with you guys wasting your time talking about nonsense that has nothing to do with end times Bible prophecy and doesn't really have anything to do with theology at all. When Jesus made a comparison between the days before His second coming and the days of Noah and the day of His second coming and the day Noah entered the ark, it had nothing to do with how many animals were on the ark or how long it took for the animals to be put on the ark or any of that unrelated nonsense.

 

[The Light]

Men in the days of the 6th seal opening, and the continuing spread of CHAOS…. Will begin to recognize … the Tribulations Sent from Heaven HAVE Begun….and they are in fear and panic of what follows thereafter…

They DO NOT END with the Sixth Seal…
They INCREASE… with severity of the 7th Seal, 7 Trumps and 7 Vials.

Tribulation ENDS at the 6th seal. Do you see in Matthew 24 where it says immediately after the tribulation of those days? That means that the tribulation is over. Do you see in Matthew 24 the that the tribulation is oven when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven?

Matthew 4
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Do you see when the 6th seal is opened that we have the sun and moon darkened and the stars falling from heaven? With a little deductive reasoning you should be able to conclude that the tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. After the tribulation is over the 7th seal will be opened, and the wrath of God will begin.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

 

[Taken]

Tribulation ENDS at the 6th seal. Do you see in Matthew 24 where it says immediately after the tribulation of those days? That means that the tribulation is over. Do you see in Matthew 24 the that the tribulation is oven when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven?

Matthew 4
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Do you see when the 6th seal is opened that we have the sun and moon darkened and the stars falling from heaven? With a little deductive reasoning you should be able to conclude that the tribulation is over when the 6th seal is opened. After the tribulation is over the 7th seal will be opened, and the wrath of God will begin.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Yes…
the Tribulations:
Of those days…
the Tribulations :
Of the Lamb concluded…

And…what?
You don’t know…
The days of the Trump Judgements follows those days of the Lambs Wrath?

And Then The Wrath of the Devil?

And thereafter The Wrath of God, and the Vials of His Tribulations are Poured out.

You are mistaken… the Tribulations from Heaven are far from over after the wrath and Tribulations of the Lamb is concluded.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

What I said has nothing to do with being all knowing. It has to do with you guys wasting your time talking about nonsense that has nothing to do with end times Bible prophecy and doesn't really have anything to do with theology at all. When Jesus made a comparison between the days before His second coming and the days of Noah and the day of His second coming and the day Noah entered the ark, it had nothing to do with how many animals were on the ark or how long it took for the animals to be put on the ark or any of that unrelated nonsense.

Actually…the Numbers of Clean KINDS of Animals IS expressly signifiant, in parallel to the Next Great Tribulation.

 

[amigo de christo]

In part. Not completely. Why are you willing to twist the Word to make it say what you want it to say? Do you have no conscience?


That has been God's plan for around 2,000 years. It was already happening in Paul's day. But that relates to the Jews who were blinded, not to Jewish believers. You try to act as if there were no Jewish believers.


Nonsense. Jesus spoke of having a sheep fold in the present tense in John 10. That fold consisted of believers from the house of Israel that Jesus said He was sent to save (Matthew 15:24). His other sheep are Gentile believers that He brought together into one fold with Israelite believers with His shed blood. The one fold is the same as the one new man and one body of Jew and Gentile believers that Jesus brought together as one with His blood. This is part of Christianity 101 and you're failing the class.


Jesus does not have more than one bride. That is utter nonsense. His bride is the church and only the church (Ephesians 5:22-32) which consists of Jew and Gentile believers together as one. You try to divide His people that He brought together as one. Shameful stuff!


Total nonsense! There is not more than one bride and the marriage supper does not take place in heaven. Revelation 19 indicates that the bride is not ready for the marriage until it's time for Jesus to return FROM heaven. Hello? Were you taught this garbage or did you come up with it yourself?

this other fellar or fellow has no idea what he speaks about .
BRIDES . as if one is a gentile bride and the o ther a jewish bride .
HOW ABOUT ONE BRIDE . HOW about ONE KINGDOM . AND ITS ALL OF GOD AND OF HIS CHRIST
and consists of every BELEIVING IN CHRIST jew or gentile . Just a friendly reminder .
Heck not even all of israel IS OF ISRAEL .
THOSE OF CHRIST , THEY ARE OF THE TRUE ISRAEL OF GOD , TRUE HEAVENLY JERSUALEM OF GOD .
TRUE HEAVENLY MOUNT ZION OF GOD . WHERein the temple is not made by hands BUT IS GOD AND THE LAMB .
This generation needs a heavy dose of some real BIBLE reading time my friend .