Hi LoveYeshua,
Isn`t Jesus Head of the Body? Doesn`t He speak by the Holy Spirit to His Body in the epistles and letters?
PAUL IS AN APOSTLE, BUT TO WHO?
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Isn`t Jesus Head of the Body? Doesn`t He speak by the Holy Spirit to His Body in the epistles and letters?
That statement mixes a few things and ends up saying something the Bible does not say.
First, Peter was sent to Gentiles by God Himself. This was not Paul’s idea, and it was not something Peter refused.
Look at what happened in Acts 10. God gave Peter a vision, and then sent him to the house of Cornelius, a Gentile. Peter says:
Acts 10:34–35 (ASV)
“Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: but in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is acceptable to him.”
Then the Holy Spirit fell on those Gentiles while Peter was still speaking. This shows clearly that God Himself sent Peter the Apostle to Gentiles, and accepted them.
Now look at Acts 15:7:
Acts 15:7 (ASV)
“Brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.”
Peter is not saying he refused the Gentiles. He is saying God chose him so that Gentiles would hear the gospel through him.
So the claim “Peter was not sent to Gentiles” is simply not true.
Now, what about Galatians 2?
Galatians 2:7–8 (ASV)
“…they… saw that I had been entrusted with the gospel of the uncircumcision, even as Peter with the gospel of the circumcision… for he that wrought for Peter unto the apostleship of the circumcision wrought for me also unto the Gentiles.”
This does not mean Peter refused Gentiles. It simply shows a main focus:
- Paul the Apostle had a main mission toward Gentiles
- Peter had a main mission toward the Jews
Also, the idea that Peter “decided NOT to go to the Gentiles” is not in the text. There is no verse where Peter refuses that calling. In fact, he defends going to Gentiles in Acts 11 and again supports it in Acts 15.
Finally, remember the words of Jesus Christ:
Acts 1:8 (ASV)
“…ye shall be my witnesses… unto the uttermost part of the earth.”
That command was given to all the apostles, including Peter. It already included the Gentiles from the beginning.
So the truth is simple:
Peter was chosen by God to open the door to the Gentiles.
Paul was later sent to carry the message widely among the Gentiles.
They did not oppose each other in this, but worked in the same mission, each in their place.
can Jesus contradict himself? God does not change, all he ever said still fully stands, no one can change one word of it/
Hi Doug,
Only just read your OP. Some good points there. Now just a note that the 12 disciples are to have 12 thrones and rule over Israel. (Matt. 19: 28)
The other Apostles (Eph. 4: 11) were given by the Lord when He ascended to the Father and was made Head of the Body. The Apostles etc were to equip the Body for the work of ministry. (v. 12)
Two different purposes there.
All the Lord says is truth however, it does not all relate to us. We are NOT the center of God`s word, Jesus is. God`s word is all about His character and His purposes. And we are NOT the center.
Hi LoveYeshua,
Let me give you an example. When Jesus was on earth and talking to the people of Israel in Matt. 5 we read of the `Blessed are the ....` All great truths. Then Jesus goes on and reveals that it is not just `You shall not murder...` but the thought in the heart that God will judge. (Matt. 5: 21 & 23) This is still all under the law.
We, however, are not under the law because Jesus fulfilled it and has now sent His Holy Spirit with His divine nature, (2 Peter 1: 4) so that we live by the spirit and not the flesh.
>>>>>""The other Apostles (Eph. 4: 11) were given by the Lord when He ascended to the Father and was made Head of the Body. The Apostles etc were to equip the Body for the work of ministry. (v. 12)
The Church "body of Christ" is who believers are 'today'
Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 << "body of Christ"
Christ Acts 9:15 selected ONLY Paul to be Rom 11:13 Apostle & Rom 15:16 Minister to them
The "12" Gal 2:7-9, Acts 15:6-25 confirmed the role of Paul to them << "body of Christ"
The Gospel 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 is how "body of Christ" are saved & sealed.
That 'Gospel' was taught ONLY to Paul by Christ - Gal 1:11-12.
The "12" did not know it Gal 2:6 till later
The "12" have NO authority to teach Salvation to the "body of Christ"
Using the relevant verses, all I try & do is point out what the Bible teaches that applies to us 'today'.
Once 'today' is over, the authority of Paul to teach Salvation ceases & returns to the "12"
Confusion occurs ONLY when well meaning believers ignorantly blend the teachings of the "12" with what Paul teaches for 'today'.
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If I had to take a stab of the seven stars (messengers) to the seven candlesticks (churches)...
Original messenger - Church
1. Peter - Messianic
2. Paul - Early Gentile
3. Constantine - Greek Orthodox
4. Theodosius I - Catholic
5. Martin Luther - Protestant
6. John Wesley - The revived church (Methodist - Pentecostal)
7. Robert Shuller - The Country Club
One Church... Millions of congregations...
1. Ephesus - Messianic Jewish Church
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Roman persecutions were ten
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos... A tower... Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - Middle ages
5. Sardis - Protestant - A sardis is a gem... Beautiful,,, Not much spiritually
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Too bad the revivals didn't last longer
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich and have need of nothing?
Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique - And Christ walking in the midst
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregations - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 1 - King James Version
Original messenger - Church
1. Peter - Messianic
2. Paul - Early Gentile
3. Constantine - Greek Orthodox
4. Theodosius I - Catholic
5. Martin Luther - Protestant
6. John Wesley - The revived church (Methodist - Pentecostal)
7. Robert Shuller - The Country Club
One Church... Millions of congregations...
1. Ephesus - Messianic Jewish Church
2. Smyrna - Oriental Orthodox - The Roman persecutions were ten
3. Pergamos - Greek Orthodox - Pergos... A tower... Needed in the dark ages
4. Thyatira - Catholic - Middle ages
5. Sardis - Protestant - A sardis is a gem... Beautiful,,, Not much spiritually
6. Philadelphia - Wesleyan - Too bad the revivals didn't last longer
7. Laodicean - Word of Faith - Rich and have need of nothing?
Seven candlesticks - Seven generalized congregation - All unique - And Christ walking in the midst
Seven seals - Those names written in the Lambs Book of Life
Seven stars - Those messengers to the congregations - Bible Gateway passage: Revelation 1 - King James Version
Dough and you are ignorant and folly claiming, GOD chose Paul to be an Apostle to the Gentiles.Hopefully this will help fix your ignorance :-
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View attachment 82116Why Paul? - doctrine.org
Introduction This two-word question is the most important question in New Testament studies. It is not an overstatement to say that without a correct answer to this question little can be understood of Christianity. The whole doctrine of ecclesiology, God’s…doctrine.org
You don't have the scripture to proof that GOD HIMSELF claimed that HE specifically chose Paul an Apostle to the Gentiles.
But i have the scripture to proof otherwise, as same as 12 Apostles chosen to minister and witness to all nation or to every creature, Paul was chosen the same apparently in 'addition'.
Acts 9:
15. Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto Me, to bear My name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel.
Jesus is God and where did He say, He chose Paul an Apostle to the Gentiles??
And where did Christ say He gave Paul another Gospel for the Gentiles??
Paul said something on his own but he meant it differently about being an Apostle to the Gentiles and the Gospel he preaches to them.
An Apostle to the Gentiles because the Jews wanted him 'dead', therefore his calling and escape was more towards the Gentile cities.
Among the Gentiles there were also apparently scattered Jews who gathered in synagogues they've erected in these cities.
At the same time there were surely a remnant of Jews saved and probably gathered in the Gentile churches, Paul ministers and witnesses.
Nevertheless in context of the scripture, Paul did minister and witness bearing Christ's name, to the children of Israel as well, and even kings, as Christ 'chose' him.
Like i've testified before and now again, Paul's Gospel is an 'extended version' from Christ, that is to come into context with the 12 Apostles' initially given and ongoing.
And the sequence and completion of them all, is well preserved in the New Testament of the Holy Bible.
Paul's epistles reveals his given Gospel addition, focused more towards the ordinance and order of the already born again and established churches.
(Where there are also apparently remnant of Jewish believers gathered with the Gentiles, as the 'one body of Christ')
Especially written to the Gentile churches where he served and addressed letters to, even Gospel addition to break up the division between the Jew and Gentile believers.
Paul himself concluded to the Gentile churches in his own epistle, that 'they' and the 'Jews' are already the 'one body of Christ'.
Where 'both' are built upon the foundation of the Apostle's'(including him in context) and Prophets, where Christ Jesus Himself being the Chief Corner Stone. (Ephesians 2:20 and the context of it)
Even Peter then who did not have the Holy Bible scriptures like us to know, confessed that some of the teaching of Paul is difficult to understand.
Then too said he, those unlearned and unstable 'wrest' Paul's doctrine and do they also the scriptures.
Since we know having the Holy Bible in context and the Holy Ghost as our 'Helper', similarly like the unlearned and unstable Dough and rvmb 'wrest'.
The end.
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Readers,
You are the church, even Apostle Paul called the church to pray from him who labored laying down his life for their blessings.
Therefore pray for us, you are not mere spectators but also gifted prayer warriors combined together in our good works for the Kingdom of GOD in Jesus name.
May GOD bless you all in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
I never said paul was not a minister to the gentiles I confirmed it of course he was.>>>>>>>""sorry if this was too hard for you.
Here is who Paul is Apostle to :-
Read, weep & get over yourself
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Acts 9:15 ... for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Rom 11:13 .. I am the apostle of the Gentiles,..
Rom 15:16 .. the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, ...
Gal 1:11-12 .. that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man... but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
Gal 2:--
6... for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
7... the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, ...
9.. that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
Pretty simple to understand so you have HAVE TO BE pretty stupid not to understand who Paul is Apostle & Minister to
you called me stupid so we are no longer discussing the topic.
Apostle Peter clearly said finishing by that these 'wrest' to their own destruction sadly.
To all that been given us, we've quoted and explained which made good sense apparently went to blind eyes and deaf ears.
So desperate to force their twisted version of the Gospel through and end up calling names?
Jesus said, "You will know them by their fruit."
If they were absolutely correct generally by quotation and explanation, hence called names in frustration and not intentionally, am able to understand.
FATHER GOD in Jesus name, please forgive them and help them, as you help and forgive us daily, thank you.
Anyone who teaches a different Gospel than Paul for 'today' is an Gal 3:1-4, Gal 1:6-9 accursed fool.
I'm glad you're not STUPID enough to teach against the ONLY SAVING Gospel that applies today 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
Hello fellow Paul is our Apostle today believer.
People fail (or refuse to) believe that only Paul was given the role to teach how a believer today is saved/justified.
Acts 9:15 starts the process.
Gal 1:11-12 is the Gospel that was uniquely given to him by Christ
1 Tim 1:16 Paul was the first one saved by that Gospel
Gal 2:2 Paul had to teach Peter etc about it
Gal 2:7-9 Paul taught it to the Gentiles/heathen
Here is a great audio teaching as to why, enjoy :)
Columbus Bible Church - All Messages
columbusbiblechurch.org
Wrong. There is only one gospel.
Peter did preach the death and resurrection of Jesus, and why would Peter only preach forgiveness by the name of Jesus, without declaring His death and resurrection?
Acts 2
22 “Men of Israel, hear these words: Jesus of Nazareth, a man attested to you by God with mighty works and wonders and signs that God did through him in your midst, as you yourselves know— 23 this Jesus,[b] delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men. 24 God raised him up, loosing the pangs of death, because it was not possible for him to be held by it.
31 he foresaw and spoke about the resurrection of the Christ, that he was not abandoned to Hades, nor did his flesh see corruption. 32 This Jesus God raised up, and of that we all are witnesses. 33 Being therefore exalted at the right hand of God, and having received from the Father the promise of the Holy Spirit, he has poured out this that you yourselves are seeing and hearing.34 For David did not ascend into the heavens, but he himself says,
“‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at my right hand,
35 until I make your enemies your footstool.”’
36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”
Gal 1:11-12 - the Gospel that Christ taught to Paul
Gal 2:2,6 - Paul had to explain that Gospel to Peter etc.
Gal 2:7-9 - Paul taught that Gospel to a different audience than Peter.
That Gospel applies to everyone today
Galatians chapter 2 does not say that Paul had to explain the gospel to Peter. Paul just communicated his gospel to the apostles in Jerusalem, to make sure everyone was preaching the same essential doctrines.
Galatians 2:2 And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but privately to them which were of reputation, lest by any means I should run, or had run, in vain.
The truth of the one gospel, the same as given to circumcised and to uncircumcised, was at issue.
Galatians 2:14 14 But when I saw that they walked not uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
