What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?

[amigo de christo]

I think Paul is being misunderstood here what he is referring to.

God is our Judge and He tells us what He Judges us on- His Words that He spoke - His commandments why we see the ark of the covenant that holds the Testimony of God the Ten Commandments at the last trumpet.






We can find the rest of what He who said in Exo20:1-17 again both written and spoken by God. Placed under His mercy seat that His blood atones for which was a copy of what is in heaven.



Why we see the ark of God's covenant that holds the Ten Commandments- God's Testimony at the last trumpet on judgement day



Why one of the last verses in the Bible says this:



People think the Sabbath is just a day, but its way deeper than that. Man teaches to forget God said Remember. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16. Jesus is calling us back to worship the God of Creation Rev14:7 Exo20:11

only one way to get to the bottom of this .
And you a adventist . Lets answer this . Just a yes or no will be fine .

 

[amigo de christo]

Therefore, "not by works" but by faith in Christ and all HE Says to us

As you know Anything HE says to us will never contradict His words in said bible .
As i am QUITE sure you do ag ree .
For if he says something to us that contradicts HIS words in said bible ,
well now ya know why that first he was not capitlized . cause IT AINT COMING OF HE WHO GOD DID SEND .
its coming from another voice . And we both know that one cannot save .

 

[amigo de christo]

I think Paul is being misunderstood here what he is referring to.

God is our Judge and He tells us what He Judges us on- His Words that He spoke - His commandments why we see the ark of the covenant that holds the Testimony of God the Ten Commandments at the last trumpet.






We can find the rest of what He who said in Exo20:1-17 again both written and spoken by God. Placed under His mercy seat that His blood atones for which was a copy of what is in heaven.



Why we see the ark of God's covenant that holds the Ten Commandments- God's Testimony at the last trumpet on judgement day



Why one of the last verses in the Bible says this:



People think the Sabbath is just a day, but its way deeper than that. Man teaches to forget God said Remember. Whoever we obey is who we serve Rom6:16. Jesus is calling us back to worship the God of Creation Rev14:7 Exo20:11

One more quick question .
What do you think about this interfaith interreligious dialgoue and its abraham peace accords .
What says you , if anything , about that . big reason i am asking .

 

[LawofLove]

Paul was inspired by god so he does not contradict God. The ten commandments were for Israel in the OT. But as he said in Galatians 3 under the inspiration of God:

18 For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19 Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20 Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

What law is Paul quoting from in Galatians. He states it, but sadly you applied it to the Testimony of God, the law God in His own words asked us to keep if we love Him. Exo 20:6 John14:15 1John5:3 the law Paul said keeping them is what matters 1Cor7:19

There is no Scripture in the entire Bible that says the commandments of God were only for Israel and everyone else can profane the law of God. Where does it say Gentiles can worship other gods, or steal and cheat or break the least of these commandments? Jesus plainly said they are for "whoever" Mat5:19 Can you produce one verse that says the commandments of God are only for Israel?

This is who God said they are for:

Exo20:6 “but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments” — Exodus 20:6 (NKJV)
Rev 14:12 “Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” — Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)

 

[amigo de christo]

What law is Paul quoting from in Galatians. He states it, but sadly you applied it to the Testimony of God, the law God in His own words asked us to keep if we love Him. Exo 20:6 John14:15 1John5:3

There is no Scripture in the entire Bible that says the commandments of God were only for Israel and everyone else can profane the law of God. Can you produce one verse that says the commandments of God are only for Israel?

Do you even know what paul was referring to as this one body , as this ISRAEL of GOD .
IF so you had understood what many do not understand .
But i have a real serious question for it and its not concerning meats drinks and days .
What do you think about this abraham peace accords and its interreligious interfaith dialgoue .
Very very important reason why i ask this of you .

 

[LawofLove]

Do you even know what paul was referring to as this one body , as this ISRAEL of GOD .
IF so you had understood what many do not understand .
But i have a real serious question for it and its not concerning meats drinks and days .
What do you think about this abraham peace accords and its interreligious interfaith dialgoue .
Very very important reason why i ask this of you .

Like I said to you previously, if you can use Scripture please.

Its really hard to try to reason with the Scripture when one uses their own words as if its the same as the word of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Like I said to you previously, if you can use Scripture please.

Its really hard to try to reason with the Scripture when one uses their own words as if its the same as the word of God.

I sure would feel a lot better if you would answer the question .
What do you THINK about this interfaith interreligious abraham peace accords .
You answer that my friend . Again huge reason i ask this .

 

[ProDeo]

Like I said to you previously, if you can use Scripture please.

Its really hard to try to reason with the Scripture when one uses their own words as if its the same as the word of God.

Here is some Scripture -

Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Prophecy about Pentecost, the promise of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the new covenant, raising up dead consciences to life in Christ, or as Paul said it : I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me -- Gal 2:20

PS, why did God gave the Mosaic Law to Israel ?

 

[ProDeo]

Like I said to you previously, if you can use Scripture please.

Its really hard to try to reason with the Scripture when one uses their own words as if its the same as the word of God.

Some more Scripture -

Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

You know those Galatians who started in the Spirit but slowly drifted away to the Mosaic Law.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

There are 2 Laws, the one given to Israel driven by the letter and the spiritual Law in Christ.

Freedom in Christ.

 

[David in NJ]

Like I said to you previously, if you can use Scripture please.

Its really hard to try to reason with the Scripture when one uses their own words as if its the same as the word of God.

Concerning the Topic of this thread:
This is the MOST Important question for you to ask and answer.

If a person works on saturday, are they committing sin?

Waiting on @WalterandDebbie and @thelord's_pearl

 

[ScottA]

Excellent post except for one MOST Important part.

Keeping of the sabbath is for the Jew and the Gentile = which is CHRIST

FIXED = Jew and Gentile "keep the Sabbath holy by keeping our part in Christ holy--as we are His body. Meaning, if we do not keep Christ holy, we tarnish both ourselves and God. How do we keep from doing that? We do as the scriptures say, "Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh" (Galatians 5:16). Meaning, to always be mindful of what God would want or not want us to do. And also, regarding our body of flesh and sin, "bring it into subjection" of the spirit of Christ in us (1 Corinthians 9:27)."

Yes it is good to clarify that some of that generation of Israel (Jews) did indeed take part in the firstfruits of the Spirit following Christ. Likewise, some gentiles were also included in the commandment to keep the Sabbath holy in practice (also as "a light unto the gentiles").

However, as Jesus came for the house of Israel and claimed it "finished", the commandment was generally for the house of Israel to keep holy as a practice every seventh day. Which, was indeed meant to be continued throughout that generation, as was the example of the apostles as they too were of that generation identified by Christ as the generation that would see all those things fulfilled. Then with Christ having fulfilled the law and commandments, things thereafter changed for the gentiles, which was confirmed through Peter and Paul, even first having disagreement on the matter--in other passages also, but mainly in Galatians 2:16. The change then that occurred during that generation, making matters different for Jews and gentiles, was that the law and thus the Commandments of Moses required of Israel, was not given to the gentiles by law or commandment, but "by faith."

All of which speaks to the apex and cusp of that generation of Christ and all that came "to the Jew first and also to the Greek (gentile)"--each having One Sheppard, but of which He ministered to differently, Paul being the minister or apostle who began as a Jew but was sent to the gentiles with a somewhat different ministry. Not different at its core, but different even as Jesus also introduced a new Commandment even to the Jews.

 

[Lambano]

If a person works on saturday, are they committing sin?

If a person chooses to honor God on Saturday, or Sunday, or Sure-Happy-It's-Tuesday for that matter, is it a sin?

Is it anybody else's business?

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. - Romans 14:4-5

 

[LawofLove]

Some more Scripture -

Gal 5:1 For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore, and do not submit again to a yoke of slavery.

You know those Galatians who started in the Spirit but slowly drifted away to the Mosaic Law.

John 8:36 So if the Son sets you free, you will be free indeed.

There are 2 Laws, the one given to Israel driven by the letter and the spiritual Law in Christ.

Freedom in Christ.

Freedom in Christ to worship other gods and vain Gods name and steal from our neighbor or break the least of these commandments the opposite of what Jesus taught Mat5:19-30. I am pretty sure that's not what Paul had in mind, why Paul taught keeping the commandments of God is what matters, not that only worshipping our LORD or doing what He asks if we love Him is a yoke of bondage. This is one of those times we need to be really carefully what we are trying to make Paul say 2Peter3:16

 

[LawofLove]

Concerning the Topic of this thread:
This is the MOST Important question for you to ask and answer.

If a person works on saturday, are they committing sin?

Waiting on @WalterandDebbie and @thelord's_pearl

According to God and the only opinion that matters, breaking the law of God is sin 1John3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat5:19-30 Rom7:7 why committing murder, breaking the Sabbath, committing adultery all came with the same penalty. Man plucked out one of God's commandments and demanded we treat it differently, God did not. He even predicted it would happen Dan7:25 and how people would treat those who wish to keep them Rev12:17.

The Bible warns us in the NT not to break the Sabbath by following in the same path of disobedience that kept an entire generation out of their promised land. Eze20:15-16 Heb4:11 God said Remember, man teaches the opposite to forget- Jesus taught not to break or teach others to break the least of these commandments, man teaches to forget the one commandments God said Remember that the God of the Universe Blessed and sanctified and lay it aside for their own sanctification and blessings. God will be the one judging. He tells us how that's going to go Isa66:17 Mat7:21-23 Rev22:14-15 Reb11:18-19. I guess we shall all find out soon enough if God means what He says or if we can edit His own written Testimony that He promised not to Psa89:34 Mat5:18-19

 

[LawofLove]

Here is some Scripture -

Jer 31:31 “Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah,
Jer 31:32 not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD.
Jer 31:33 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jer 31:34 And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Prophecy about Pentecost, the promise of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, the new covenant, raising up dead consciences to life in Christ, or as Paul said it : I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me -- Gal 2:20

PS, why did God gave the Mosaic Law to Israel ?

Yes, God made a new covenant, not like the one before and tells what it will be established on.

“But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises” — Hebrews 8:6 (NKJV)

Sadly instead of looking at what God said it was established on and seeing how we can obtain those better promises, people look at what it was not established on, new laws.

God promised He would not alter the words of His covenant and God always keeps His promises

“My covenant I will not break, Nor alter the word that has gone out of My lips” — Psalms 89:34 (NKJV)

Hence:

“Thus saith the LORD “Also the sons of the foreigner Who join themselves to the LORD, to serve Him, And to love the name of the LORD, to be His servants— Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath, And holds fast My covenant—” — Isaiah 56:6 (NKJV)

So just as God promised not altering His words the new covenant is established on better promises on what He does if we cooperate with Him. Sadly not everyone does Rom8:7-8 they reject the law of God and are not in a covenant relationship with God. He won't force His laws on us, He calls on us to not harden our heart in rebellion just as those in the wilderness, but sadly many do not hear Him Rom3:7-19

He writes His laws- just as He promised- not altering the words, but places them in a better location, based on the better promise of what He does if we love Him and cooperate with Him. From tablets of stone (external) to tablets of the heart (internal) 2Cor3:3 Heb8:10 why its still a sin to worship other gods or steal from our neighbor or break God's holy Sabbath day in the NC, breaking one of these commandments we break them all James 2:10-12

God does not make mistakes, we do by not fully trusting Him that what He asks of us if we love Him Exo20:6 John14:15 is only for our own good. 1John5:3

 

[David in NJ]

If a person chooses to honor God on Saturday, or Sunday, or Sure-Happy-It's-Tuesday for that matter, is it a sin?

Is it anybody else's business?

Who are you to judge someone else’s servant? To their own master, servants stand or fall. And they will stand, for the Lord is able to make them stand. One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. - Romans 14:4-5

Thank you for your reply = to which i AGREE

The question here is NOT on a day of the week which one is FREE to choose, in faith, under the New Covenant.

This thread is about saturday sabbath, that some believe must be kept or you are committing "lawlessness".

Example: SDA adherents believe sunday worshippers are in rebellion/sin/transgression.
It seems that @LawofLove is also an adherent to saturday or bust

Kapish

 

[Lambano]

This thread is about saturday sabbath, that some believe must be kept or you are committing "lawlessness".

Wouldn't it be a better approach to ask sister @thelord's_pearl WHY she chooses to keep Sabbath? And then respect her reasons for doing so? That would be consistent with Romans 14:4-5.

Is your position is based on feeling condemned by our Seventh Day Adventist brothers and sisters for NOT keeping Sabbath? Those who don't observe Sabbath need not feel defensive either. That's also a correct application of Romans 14:4-5.

I will defend both who keep Sabbath and those who don't. Wakarimasu ka?

 

[Brakelite]

thinking we know better than a thus saith the LORD.

When that happens we become our own authority, in other words, god.

 

[Brakelite]

Where does Paul teach that keeping the Sabbath is a justification (be saved) requirement for today ?
I'd like to read the verses :)

In all the years I've observed the sabbath, I have never heard anyone claim Sabbath observance, or obedience to any of God's laws, contributes to justification. However, in defence of NOT observing the Sabbath I constantly hear many making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved. Sorry, but that's like running around with a fire extinguisher to stop a flood.

FYI - GOD is after our hearts, not a specific day of the week.

FYI, I gave Jesus my heart, then He showed me a specific day of the week. Disobedience at that point wasn't an option.

You will SEE the transgression of Israel as explained by the Holy Spirit thru the Apostle Paul

Doesn't answer the question. I know what the transgression was... disloyalty and disobedience through desecration of the sabbath and idolatry. But what law does that transgress? What's the logic behind adding that law (to what) after the transgression has already made the law void through disobedience? I'm asking the questions because I want to understand your reasoning behind quoting the passage... "the law was added because of transgressions..." How is that a defence in favour of setting aside one of God's laws?

 

[PeterAndroz]

In all the years I've observed the sabbath, I have never heard anyone claim Sabbath observance, or obedience to any of God's laws, contributes to justification. However, in defence of NOT observing the Sabbath I constantly hear many making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved. Sorry, but that's like running around with a fire extinguisher to stop a flood.

FYI, I gave Jesus my heart, then He showed me a specific day of the week. Disobedience at that point wasn't an option.

Doesn't answer the question. I know what the transgression was... disloyalty and disobedience through desecration of the sabbath and idolatry. But what law does that transgress? What's the logic behind adding that law (to what) after the transgression has already made the law void through disobedience? I'm asking the questions because I want to understand your reasoning behind quoting the passage... "the law was added because of transgressions..." How is that a defence in favour of setting aside one of God's laws?

You said -- making claims as you do here, that those who observe the Sabbath are doing so in order to be saved
Where did I state that ?
I claim that observing the Sabbath is NOT a requirement today to be justified
Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: