The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.

[Marilyn C]

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.


No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

Now when Jesus was manifest on earth, he said that no one knows the day or hour of His return. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in the Godhead, He does certainly know when He shall return. And that time He was referring to is when He comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon His enemies.

God`s word uses the lunar calendar, which the Jews use. And the Lord said by His Holy Spirit through Paul to the Thessalonians, -

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night..` (1 Thess. 5: 1 & 2)

The Lord comes to deliver Israel `as a thief,` for Israel is in partial darkness. However, the Body of Christ is NOT in darkness `so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The `times and seasons,` the major Feasts are well known however there are 3 minor feasts that are very relevant.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)



As to the Rapture, well, 6 years and 11 months earlier plus the time of the Russian war.

 

[Luther7]

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.


No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

Now when Jesus was manifest on earth, he said that no one knows the day or hour of His return. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in the Godhead, He does certainly know when He shall return. And that time He was referring to is when He comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon His enemies.

God`s word uses the lunar calendar, which the Jews use. And the Lord said by His Holy Spirit through Paul to the Thessalonians, -

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night..` (1 Thess. 5: 1 & 2)

The Lord comes to deliver Israel `as a thief,` for Israel is in partial darkness. However, the Body of Christ is NOT in darkness `so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The `times and seasons,` the major Feasts are well known however there are 3 minor feasts that are very relevant.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)



As to the Rapture, well, 6 years and 11 months earlier plus the time of the Russian war.

God will be delivering the people of the NEW COVENANT. They are called " Christians"

It's not the New covenant AND "unfinished business" in the Old Covenant. Just the New Covenant.

The rabbis appreciate your support.

 

[Jay Ross]

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.


No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

You are right, God's word multiply times indicates when God will begin gathering Israel to Himself. Ex 20:4-6 tells us that the iniquities of the fathers of the first and second age will be visited upon their children and their children's children. Laminations and Hosea both tell us that after the second age of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children that God will again turn towards them and begin gathering them to Himself.

In both Leviticus and Deuteronomy God tells us that when Israel repents and turns back to Him that He will receive them and Gather them to Himself.

Knowing that Isaac was born in the year 2049 from the creation of ADAM, just after the year 2052 BC at the very beginning of the third age of mankind, after the first two ages of mankind had pasted, then an age has a duration of 1,024 solar years. So, the last year of the sixth age of mankind will be the year 2044 AD, which is also the last year of the visitation of the fathers' iniquities upon their children and by coincidence also the last year of the Little Horns being given and army to trample God's sanctuary and His earthly hostess, i.e. Israel. Also, Jesus in Matthew 24:32, told us when the end of the fourth age of the visitation of the father's iniquities would be.

All of the Biblical evident points to the same years.

So those who understand the scriptures will know that they know when God will begin gathering Israel to Himself.

Those who claim that God began gathering Israel to Himself in 1948 AD have missed the Biblical understanding of what the scriptures actually tell us and as such they are leading many astray with their own ponderings.

John in the Book of Revelation also provided a clue of when all of Israel will be saved which Paul also confirmed in his letters.

Shalom

 

[Marilyn C]

 

[Marilyn C]

This shows the month of Adar with the 15th day for Purim, (celebrations) before the New Year & the Millennium.



1,260 - Jesus Returns & 29 days of mourning. (Hannukah)

1,290 - Temple Cleansed & 30 days of New Year for trees.

1,335 - 15th of Purim celebrations in Adar.



`Blessed is he who waits, and comes to the 1,335 days.` (Dan. 12: 12)

 

[Jay Ross]

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Your diagram misses what the scriptures provide and is your private misunderstanding.

 

[Luther7]

Your diagram misses what the scriptures provide and is your private misunderstanding.

Both of you are leading each other in the ditch. The only promise that God has towards humanity is eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. We are living in the age of the NEW COVENANT.

1 Thessalonians 2:14-16 KJV
For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:
[15] Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
[16] Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

Even if today's " jews" were actual descendants of Jacob, the wrath of God is upon them. He owes them nothing. Unless, of course, a jew becomes saved before Jesus comes. Then praise God.

 

[Jay Ross]

Both of you are leading each other in the ditch. The only promise that God has towards humanity is eternal life through faith in Jesus Christ. We are living in the age of the NEW COVENANT.

No, the "New Covenant" is a construct of man because Jesus spoke of the "Kanios"/Refreshed Covenant where the original Salvation Covenant was refreshed while the process of gaining that Salvation was modified on the Cross. Christ told of this truth in Mat 13:52 if you care to unpack it carefully.

Even if today's " jews" were actual descendants of Jacob, the wrath of God is upon them. He owes them nothing. Unless, of course, a jew becomes saved before Jesus comes. Then praise God.

Yes, God is still turned away from seeing the Israelites because of their continual Idolatrous Worship, but when the visitation of the father's iniquities upon their children and their children's children in the third and the fourth age of their existence, comes to its completion, then if they repent of their father's iniquities and also of their own iniquities with respect to their own idolatrous worship, then God will hear from heaven and once again turn towards them to gather them once more to Himself after which He will make like new again the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations covenant.

When God begins to gather the Israelites to Himself, He will teach them about the foundation stone that will shortly come down out of heaven such that they will stand in the religion of Israel that Jesus is the Son of God, just like Peter confessed. They too will also confess that Jesus is the Son of God and that this religion will become the largest religion in the world after this time.

Shalom

 

[ScottA]

The Date of the Lord delivering Israel.


No one should speculate as that it one`s own opinion. Instead we should more diligently study God`s word.

Now when Jesus was manifest on earth, he said that no one knows the day or hour of His return. Now that Jesus is at the right hand of the Father, in the Godhead, He does certainly know when He shall return. And that time He was referring to is when He comes to deliver Israel and bring vengeance upon His enemies.

God`s word uses the lunar calendar, which the Jews use. And the Lord said by His Holy Spirit through Paul to the Thessalonians, -

`But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you, for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night..` (1 Thess. 5: 1 & 2)

The Lord comes to deliver Israel `as a thief,` for Israel is in partial darkness. However, the Body of Christ is NOT in darkness `so that this day should overtake you as a thief.` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The `times and seasons,` the major Feasts are well known however there are 3 minor feasts that are very relevant.

The Feast of dedication - Hanukkah.

`Now it was the feast of Dedication in Jerusalem, and it was winter. And Jesus walked in the Temple, in Solomon`s porch. Then the Jews surrounded Him and said to Him, "How long do you keep us in doubt? If you are the Christ, tell us plainly." (Jn 10: 22 - 24)

It is only natural that, during Hanukkah (the celebration from foreign oppression), thoughts of national deliverance would again be aroused. In the day of Jesus, Israel was looking for the ultimate deliverer, the Messiah himself, who would overthrow Roman rule.

If He were to deliver the Jewish nation, they would never fall under Gentile dominion again. He would usher in the golden age messianic age, making it possible for the Shekinah glory to return to the Temple as in the days of Solomon`s dedication of the Temple.

With this thought on their minds, a group of Jewish inquirers came to Jesus. It was Hanukkah, and Jesus was walking along Solomon`s colonnade (the pillared walkway in the Temple). He was celebrating Hanukkah in the same Temple that had been cleansed and rededicated only a few generations earlier.

These inquirers asked "How long do You keep us in doubt? If You are the Christ (Messiah), tell us plainly. (Jn 10: 24) Indeed He had clearly shown that He was the Messiah and verified it with many miracles. They had rejected Him because He consistently failed to meet their messianic expectations. They were looking for a military messiah, one who was only a great human leader.

This was not the time for a new Hanukkah (overthrow of Gentile rule), for the nation was still blind in their rejection.

However, there will come a time when the Lord of glory will come to deliver Israel with His angelic army and that will be during Hanukkah. The actual date is the 29th of Kislev, the middle of Hanukkah, the festival of lights. How appropriate that the Light of the world should come then to deliver Israel from its enemies.

The Jewish calendar is not the same length as the solar so each year the solar date will change. However, the Jewish date, the 29th of Kislev is always the same. (around December)



As to the Rapture, well, 6 years and 11 months earlier plus the time of the Russian war.

It is WAY simpler than all that.

Jesus himself gave a clear answer:

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24​

..and:

So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. John 19:30​

 

[Luther7]

No, the "New Covenant" is a construct of man because Jesus spoke of the "Kanios"/Refreshed Covenant where the original Salvation Covenant was refreshed while the process of gaining that Salvation was modified on the Cross. Christ told of this truth in Mat 13:52 if you care to unpack it carefully.



Yes, God is still turned away from seeing the Israelites because of their continual Idolatrous Worship, but when the visitation of the father's iniquities upon their children and their children's children in the third and the fourth age of their existence, comes to its completion, then if they repent of their father's iniquities and also of their own iniquities with respect to their own idolatrous worship, then God will hear from heaven and once again turn towards them to gather them once more to Himself after which He will make like new again the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the nations covenant.

When God begins to gather the Israelites to Himself, He will teach them about the foundation stone that will shortly come down out of heaven such that they will stand in the religion of Israel that Jesus is the Son of God, just like Peter confessed. They too will also confess that Jesus is the Son of God and that this religion will become the largest religion in the world after this time.

Shalom

How ridiculous it is to think that there are literal Israelites alive today. And who cares if there is? It's all about Christ and His people now. It means absolutely, absolutely nothing who you are or where you came from.

It's actually amazing that people have to be told this.

 

[Jay Ross]

How ridiculous it is to think that there are literal Israelites alive today. And who cares if there is? It's all about Christ and His people now. It means absolutely, absolutely nothing who you are or where you came from.

It's actually amazing that people have to be told this.

Thank you for being brave to show your dislike of the Israelites alive today.

Gen 12:3 is applicable.

 

[Marilyn C]

Your diagram misses what the scriptures provide and is your private misunderstanding.

Could you please elaborate showing where you think I`m wrong. That would be helpful.

 

[Marilyn C]

It is WAY simpler than all that.

Jesus himself gave a clear answer:

But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.” Matthew 15:24​

..and:

So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. John 19:30​

Yes, Jesus was sent to the `lost sheep of Israel.` There was NO Body of Christ as Jesus had not ascended to the Father. That purpose was held in secret otherwise Satan would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2: 7 & 8)

`It is finished,` the work the Father gave Jesus on earth at that time.

 

[ScottA]

Yes, Jesus was sent to the `lost sheep of Israel.` There was NO Body of Christ as Jesus had not ascended to the Father. That purpose was held in secret otherwise Satan would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2: 7 & 8)

`It is finished,` the work the Father gave Jesus on earth at that time.

That means God's work with Israel is "finished."

But I am not sure what you are saying about "NO Body of Christ." It is the Church that is the body of Christ, as He gave it to them/us saying, "Take, eat, this is My body." Then Paul confirmed, saying, "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually" (1 Corinthians 12:27).

 

[Marilyn C]

That means God's work with Israel is "finished."

But I am not sure what you are saying about "NO Body of Christ." It is the Church that is the body of Christ, as He gave it to them/us saying, "Take, eat, this is My body." Then Paul confirmed, saying, "Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually" (1 Corinthians 12:27).

It means that the work God gave Jesus to do on the earth was finished - fulfill the law, giving Israel an opportunity to receive Him, and salvation to whosoever.

Jesus knew what He was referring to, (Hs body and blood) however the disciples were blinded to all that.

 

[Luther7]

Thank you for being brave to show your dislike of the Israelites alive today.

Gen 12:3 is applicable.

First of all, correction....they are NOT Israelites. They are Ashkenazi jews, meaning they are from Eastern Europe and have not one inkling of lineage to Abraham.
Second of all, my love for all people of all backgrounds extends to them as well, even if the majority has a built in hatred for non- jews, their talmud will attest to that.

Some jews will become saved.

And last but not least.. . Genesis 12:3, which refers to Abram, if you haven't read the verse for yourself.

Genesis 12:3 KJV
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

And what do you do with " all the families of the earth"? Doesn't sound like one nation to me.

 

[Jay Ross]

And last but not least.. . Genesis 12:3, which refers to Abram, if you haven't read the verse for yourself.

Genesis 12:3 KJV
And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

And what do you do with " all the families of the earth"? Doesn't sound like one nation to me.

This is what my Interlinear shows: -



And this is the meaning of H:4940: -




And this is the meaning of H:0127: -

​

And this is how I understand that Genesis 12:3 should be paraphrased: -

Genesis 12:3: - 3 I will bless those who bless you,​

And I will curse him who curses you;​

And through you all the families inhabiting My fertile soil shall be blessed."​

Which gives a very different understanding of this verse.

This paraphrase tells us exactly why the peoples of the earth will be blessed, because of their occupation of God's fertile field/soil.

Shalom

 

[PeterAndroz]

It means that the work God gave Jesus to do on the earth was finished - fulfill the law, giving Israel an opportunity to receive Him, and salvation to whosoever.

Jesus knew what He was referring to, (Hs body and blood) however the disciples were blinded to all that.

Hey Aussie, good to see you RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF TRUTH :)
2 Tim 2:15
King James Bible
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
American King James Version
Study to show yourself approved to God, a workman that needs not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
American Standard Version
Give diligence to present thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, handling aright the word of truth.
Geneva Bible of 1587
Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workeman that needeth not to be ashamed, diuiding the worde of trueth aright.
Bishops' Bible of 1568
Studie to shewe thy selfe approued vnto God, a workman not to be ashamed, rightlie deuidyng the worde of trueth.
Coverdale Bible of 1535
Study to shewe thy selfe vnto God a laudable workman, that nedeth not to be ashamed, deuydynge the worde of trueth iustly.
Tyndale Bible of 1526
Study to shewe thy silfe laudable vnto god a workman yt nedeth not to be a shamed dividynge the worde of trueth iustly.

 

[Jay Ross]

Could you please elaborate showing where you think I`m wrong. That would be helpful.

My diagram spans some 3,324 solar years from around 250 BC up to 3068 AD where the first 2,300 solar years has been given over to the Little Horn and the armies that he is given to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts when the Judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth at Armageddon will take place around the year 2045 AD, in around 19 or so years from now.

As Paul indicated in Rom 11:25b-26, after the completion of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn and His armies trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, then all of Israel will be saved.

Then from 2045 AD onwards there will be a 1,000 solar year period of peace on the earth, when the Bottomless Pit is unlocked for the Little while Period. When Satan is able to return to the face of the earth he immediately goes after Israel who he wants to destroy but the earth swallowed the flood of water gushing out of Satan's mouth and so Israel was save in the desert areas of the earth.

. . .

There is so much complexity happening during the Little While Period that it is difficult to simple create a diagram that shows what will happen.

I hope that the first 3,300 years makes sense for you.

Shalom

 

[Marilyn C]

My diagram spans some 3,324 solar years from around 250 BC up to 3068 AD where the first 2,300 solar years has been given over to the Little Horn and the armies that he is given to trample God's Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts when the Judgement of the heavenly hosts and the kings of the earth at Armageddon will take place around the year 2045 AD, in around 19 or so years from now.

As Paul indicated in Rom 11:25b-26, after the completion of the 2,300 years of the Little Horn and His armies trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts, then all of Israel will be saved.

Then from 2045 AD onwards there will be a 1,000 solar year period of peace on the earth, when the Bottomless Pit is unlocked for the Little while Period. When Satan is able to return to the face of the earth he immediately goes after Israel who he wants to destroy but the earth swallowed the flood of water gushing out of Satan's mouth and so Israel was save in the desert areas of the earth.

. . .

There is so much complexity happening during the Little While Period that it is difficult to simple create a diagram that shows what will happen.

I hope that the first 3,300 years makes sense for you.

Shalom

Hi Jay,

I see you have done much work. Now you use the solar calendar while I use the lunar which is what God uses in His word. Also, I take the 2,300 as days written and not years.

We will see.....