The Barbarian
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Show us where a real climate scientist said that. Sounds rather unlikely. But let's see what you have.
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The Barbarian
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That's weird. Washington state relies to a great degree on wind and water generated electricity and they have one of the lowest electrical rates in the United States.
Australia is a continent. And I don't think Australians are stupid. Some of them, maybe. But not most.
Iowa gets a bit less than 65% of electrical energy from wind. And it's not expensive.
I think you said you were an engineer. Perhaps you can show us how Reynolds numbers are used to optimize shape, angle, and pitch of a wind generator blade. Since dynamic viscosity and fluid density don't vary much in the atmosphere, scale becomes critical in optimizing the number for most efficient design. Tell us about it.
I'm not an engineer; I'm a biologist. But for some biomechanical analyses, Reynolds numbers are important. Show us your analysis of these generator blades.
Edit: Barbarian learns that Betz's Law says that an ideal wind generator could harvest 59.3% of the kinetic energy in the wind. The best-designed generators get more like 46% of the kinetic energy in the wind. Still, pretty good.
Didn't know that. (Barbarian checks)
China Does In Fact Have Wind Turbines, A Lot Of Them.
China Does In Fact Have Wind Turbines, A Lot Of Them.
China has more wind power than any country in the world and is currently adding twice as much as the rest of the world combined.
www.forbes.com
Seems like a lot to me. Not as much as Iowa, but still a lot.
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Armour of God
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I didn't say they don't have windmills. I said they hardly use them and that most of their electricity comes from coal. Even your illustration shows that.
This below says that wind, solar and hydro only makes up 25%-35% while coal makes up about 54%
So my statement was correct
The point I made was that the country of Australia has killed itself in the name of climate change. Replacing cheap coal fire energy for wind/solar making electricity, making it very expensive.
Armour of God
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I know that Americans get taught that Australia is a continent but its not, its a country, it can't be both, that would cause confusion.
We get taught that Australia is in the continent of Australiasia/Oceana.
Countries like NZ, PNG and south pacific Islands are not in Australia, that would make no sense, they are in Oceana.
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"GOOD RIDDANCE! After 15 years of Dumocrats promising that "Climate Change" is going to destroy the Planet, the United Nations TOP Climate Committee just admitted that its own projections (RCP8.5) were WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! For far too long Climate Activism has been used by Democrats to scare Americans, push horrible Energy Polices, and fund BILLIONS into their bogus research programs. Unlike the Democrats, who use Climate Alarmism nonsense to push their GREEN NEW SCAM, my Administration will always be based on TRUTH, SCIENCE, and FACT!"
Trump went nuclear on the UN after their report on climate change, and he has a point
Whenever we see a Trump post that starts like this...
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The Barbarian
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16% of their total electrical generation is a lot.
As of 2024, coal supplied about 38% of their electrical generation.
Your Wikepedia article is a bit out of date.
And I'd still like to see your analysis of wind generators.
I think you said you were an engineer. Perhaps you can show us how Reynolds numbers are used to optimize shape, angle, and pitch of a wind generator blade. Since dynamic viscosity and fluid density don't vary much in the atmosphere, scale becomes critical in optimizing the number for most efficient design. Tell us about it.
I'm not an engineer; I'm a biologist. But for some biomechanical analyses, Reynolds numbers are important. Show us your analysis of these generator blades.
Continents?
The Barbarian
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Yes, politicians got some things wrong. In fact, even climate scientists got surprised...
Over the last decade, the annual rate of warming jumped from 0.18°C to 0.3°C per decade, doubling expectations from earlier models. Declines in reflective aerosols and marine sulfur emissions have revealed the full force of greenhouse gases, while permafrost thaw and ice melt feedback intensify the pace of global warming trends. These accelerating changes signal urgent challenges for communities, policymakers, and natural systems worldwide.
www.sciencetimes.com
As we discussed earlier, Arctic ice is melting faster than expected, and the Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking faster than scientists originally predicted.
Why Climate Change Is Accelerating Faster Than Scientists Originally Predicted
Global temperatures have surged faster than scientists initially predicted, with 2023 reaching 1.43°C above pre-industrial levels. Human-induced emissions, rising methane concentrations, and natural amplifiers like El Niño have combined to accelerate warming, causing unprecedented environmental shifts. Climate change acceleration now threatens ecosystems, ocean currents, and weather extremes on scales previously considered decades away.Over the last decade, the annual rate of warming jumped from 0.18°C to 0.3°C per decade, doubling expectations from earlier models. Declines in reflective aerosols and marine sulfur emissions have revealed the full force of greenhouse gases, while permafrost thaw and ice melt feedback intensify the pace of global warming trends. These accelerating changes signal urgent challenges for communities, policymakers, and natural systems worldwide.
Why Climate Change Is Accelerating Faster Than Scientists Originally Predicted
Global warming trends accelerate faster than predicted due to aerosol declines, methane surges, and El Niño, amplifying climate change impacts worldwide.
www.sciencetimes.com
As we discussed earlier, Arctic ice is melting faster than expected, and the Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking faster than scientists originally predicted.
I will take warm over ICE any day as most people would .
Found some TV programming from 1978 , they said we may have to nuke the ice caps to keep from freezing
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Say it isn't so Spock !
Did President Obama know about that predicted rising ocean level , looks like he ignored it , that is strange .
His property right on the water .
Found some TV programming from 1978 , they said we may have to nuke the ice caps to keep from freezing
.Say it isn't so Spock !
Did President Obama know about that predicted rising ocean level , looks like he ignored it , that is strange .
His property right on the water .
Armour of God
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16% is not much at all. And considering your looking at 2024 I would say that's out of date. But either way I said that coal produces most of their electricity and I'm right whichever source you look at.
Perhaps you didn't read what I said properly.
I said that Americans get taught that Australia is a continent but here, in Australia, we get taught that the continent is Australasia/Oceana. It just depends where you went to school
It's silly to say that New Zealand or Fiji is in Australia because that's a country. It's more correct to say that New Zealand or Fiji is in Oceana. Far less confusing than claiming a country to be a continent.
But my point still stands true as a fact.
Australia's electricity prices have gone through the roof in the name of climate change
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Armour of God
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That's right. They got it all wrong.
So did the media and pseudo-scientists.
They got it horribly wrong and it has cost us in higher energy prices.
Armour of God
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I will take warm over ICE any day as most people would .
Found some TV programming from 1978 , they said we may have to nuke the ice caps to keep from freezing
Say it isn't so Spock !
Did President Obama know about that predicted rising ocean level , looks like he ignored it , that is strange .
His property right on the water .
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Exactly. In the 70s it was global cooling.
The 80s they said fossil fuels would run out.
In the 90s and 2000s it was global warming.
After seeing the globe was not warming, now it's climate change. All weather is caused by humans they claim.
As a matter of fact it's solar activity that is the main cause of climate. Sun storms and flares.
Meanwhile politicians have properties right by the water knowing that sea levels aren't rising at all. While winning money from stocks in wind and solar energy
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He's just being divisive. Can' stand to concede a point that doesn't support the hysteria. Sure, you are 100% right but the trend is that one day it might be possible that you could be wrong. Yet, he doesn't apply such humility to his own claims. Imagine that?
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Higher energy prices, more deaths, lower economic development and more poverty.
Because communists don't understand economics, they don't grasp that artificially forcing investment from higher return to lower return assets causes poverty at the margin and lowers wealth in general. Imagine if these watermelons had honesty in their marketing? Support public policy that:
- Causes more human deaths
- Causes more poverty.
- Causes more destruction to nature and wild life.
- Causes higher prices.
- Causes lower standard of living.
- Destroys wealth.
- Will make you feel good due to our relentless propaganda.
amigo de christo
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come now and let us reason a bit . They are now predicting perhaps one of if not the strongest el ninoYes, politicians got some things wrong. In fact, even climate scientists got surprised...
Why Climate Change Is Accelerating Faster Than Scientists Originally Predicted
Global temperatures have surged faster than scientists initially predicted, with 2023 reaching 1.43°C above pre-industrial levels. Human-induced emissions, rising methane concentrations, and natural amplifiers like El Niño have combined to accelerate warming, causing unprecedented environmental shifts. Climate change acceleration now threatens ecosystems, ocean currents, and weather extremes on scales previously considered decades away.
Over the last decade, the annual rate of warming jumped from 0.18°C to 0.3°C per decade, doubling expectations from earlier models. Declines in reflective aerosols and marine sulfur emissions have revealed the full force of greenhouse gases, while permafrost thaw and ice melt feedback intensify the pace of global warming trends. These accelerating changes signal urgent challenges for communities, policymakers, and natural systems worldwide.
Why Climate Change Is Accelerating Faster Than Scientists Originally Predicted
Global warming trends accelerate faster than predicted due to aerosol declines, methane surges, and El Niño, amplifying climate change impacts worldwide.
As we discussed earlier, Arctic ice is melting faster than expected, and the Antarctic Peninsula is shrinking faster than scientists originally predicted.
is to come . It might even surpass , the great super one of 1877.
Maybe , maybe not . So why did i type this , TO SHOW us we have always had extremes .
And climate has always changed and shifted . And to make sure that none
do follow a socilaist green agenda. Look they fear mongering again . But fear sure is a tool
to be used to gain power . As is convienience and etc . We bet ter watch out
cause we got a massive harlot a coming to every town of every nation in this world . A powerful
digital square system has been launched . And once again the sheeples are fleeced and coereced
by inclusive speeches . We , my friend , we the people of all nations and of all countries are BEING FLEECED .
The Barbarian
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That's why the facts are so important. We're sheep only as long as we remain ignorant.
The Barbarian
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All those crooked politicians telling you that what's happening is a "hoax?" Not all of them were mistaken; many of them were being paid off. Exxon was offering lavish "contributions" for politicians who went along. They tried to bribe scientists, too.
Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
Letters sent by the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), an ExxonMobil-funded thinktank with close links to the Bush administration, offered the payments for articles that emphasise the shortcomings of a report from the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC).
Travel expenses and additional payments were also offered.
Scientists offered cash to dispute climate study
Scientists and economists have been offered $10,000 each by a lobby group funded by one of the world's largest oil companies to undermine a major climate change report due to be published today.
But that didn't work as well. For reasons we all understand. This at the same time that Exxon's own scientists were aware of the warming threat, and Exxon was planning to deal with it.
DENVER (AP) — Exxon Mobil’s scientists were remarkably accurate in their predictions about global warming, even as the company made public statements that contradicted its own scientists’ conclusions, a new study says.
The study in the journal Science Thursday looked at research that Exxon funded that didn’t just confirm what climate scientists were saying, but used more than a dozen different computer models that forecast the coming warming with precision equal to or better than government and academic scientists.
This was during the same time that the oil giant publicly doubted that warming was real and dismissed climate models’ accuracy. Exxon said its understanding of climate change evolved over the years and that critics are misunderstanding its earlier research.
Study: Exxon Mobil accurately predicted warming since 1970s
A new study says Exxon Mobil’s scientists were remarkably accurate in their predictions about global warming.
apnews.com
Oil companies were more successful in buying politicians and media than they were with scientists.
Less costly sources are now over 1/5 of our total generation of electrical energy, up from about 13% in 2013.
The Barbarian
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That's a common myth among deniers, but it's false
Even in the 1970s, most climate scientists knew warming was on the way. Remember what I told you about being most skeptical when someone tells you something you really want to believe? It would have saved you, this time.
Anytime you use something significantly faster than it is being replenished, that happens. But I can tell that you didn't read the data showing when it would happen.
In the 1900s. And as far back as the late 1800s for scientists studying the issue. They had it right.
Even most deniers have shifted to admitting that the globe is warming. They've just switched to "yes, but it's not our fault." Exxon, for example, now admits the fact that they denied for so long:
Sustainability and Advancing Climate Solutions | ExxonMobil Sustainability
Explore ExxonMobil's Sustainability Report. Learn about our efforts to do the right thing, the right way.
Link to papers by climate scientists saying this? Sounds like more denier fantasy.
During the last solar minimum, the climate continued to warm. After the last huge volcanic eruption, the climate actually cooled for a year or so. You're demonstrably wrong.
Since around 1900, global average sea level has risen by about 7-8 inches (Hayhoe et al. 2018, NCA4) and the rate of sea level rise has been accelerating in recent decades as ocean temperatures warm. Nearly half of this rise in sea levels has occurred since 1993, and the rate of global mean level rise since 1993 has been approximately 3.4 mm per year. It is virtually certain that global mean sea levels will continue to rise throughout the 21st century and beyond.
Sea Level Rise - Florida Climate Center
The Florida Climate Center (FCC) is a public service unit of the Florida State University Institute of Science and Public Affairs. Home of the State Climatologist, the Florida Climate Center provides climate data and information for the state of Florida.
Exxon, for example:
They didn't tell you. You don't need to know. Just looking for that profit. If the world changes, they'll change with it.
The Barbarian
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Meantime, climate scientists were predicting warming.Found some TV programming from 1978 , they said we may have to nuke the ice caps to keep from freezing
Say it isn't so Spock !
Who you gonna believe?
His house, judging from elevation maps, is 7-12 feet above the beach. At present rates of sea rise, he's not going to be alive when water gets close to the door.
The Barbarian
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You don't seem like a communist, but here you are totally fixated on Marxism.
I'm intrigued about your fixation. No one here, AFAIK, has proposed any program to do anything about the ongoing global warming. Yet you're obsessed by what you imagine people are thinking.
Take a deep breath, and then consider that the fact of warming climate is entirely separate of what, if anything, there is for us to do about it.
Wouldn't that be a healthy start for you?
