1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

[LoveYeshua]

Behold, the Lord shall set His hand again to gather the remnant of His people. From the north country, from the coasts of the earth, the blind and the lame, the woman with child and she that travaileth together, shall return in a great company. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will He lead them; He will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, that they shall not stumble. For the Lord is a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is His firstborn. As a shepherd gathers His flock, so shall He gather them, and keep them.

The Lord shall set up an ensign for the nations, a visible standard under which the scattered children of Israel shall assemble. Outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah shall be gathered from the four corners of the earth. With mighty hand, stretched-out arm, and the fury of His power poured out, He will bring them from the peoples among whom they were scattered. Just as He pleaded with their fathers in the wilderness of Egypt, so shall He plead with them face to face, in a time of testing and teaching, to bring them into the land He has promised.

From every side He shall gather them, and bring them into their own land. No longer shall Israel and Judah be two nations; He shall make them one nation, and one king shall reign over them all. They shall dwell safely in the mountains of Israel, and their hearts shall be turned to Him. Their eyes shall be opened to know the Lord, and they shall ask the way to Zion, saying, “Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.”

In that day, the Lord will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Him forever. He will cleanse them from all their iniquity, giving them a new heart and a new spirit. His Spirit will be within them, guiding them to walk in His statutes, to keep His judgments, and to dwell permanently in the land He gave to their fathers. They shall be His people, and He shall be their God.

The Lord Himself will lead them, caring for the weak, the burdened, and the weary. They shall come from east and west, from north and south; the coasts of the earth shall send them. They shall no more say, “The Lord brought us up out of Egypt,” but, “The Lord liveth, who brought us and led us from the north country, from all countries whither He had driven us; and we shall dwell in our own land.”

And thus shall the righteous Branch, the Messiah, reign. Judah shall be saved, Israel shall dwell safely, and all nations shall witness the goodness and prosperity the Lord bestows. The gathering of the lost tribes will be complete, a testimony to the world of His power, His mercy, and His everlasting covenant with His people.

This narrative combines Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zephaniah, and Amos, showing how God moves the multitude of lost tribes: personally, globally, safely, and spiritually, at the time of Jesus’ second advent.

Blessings

 

[BeforeThereWas]

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Behold, the Lord shall set His hand again to gather the remnant of His people. From the north country, from the coasts of the earth, the blind and the lame, the woman with child and she that travaileth together, shall return in a great company. They shall come with weeping, and with supplications will He lead them; He will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way, that they shall not stumble. For the Lord is a Father to Israel, and Ephraim is His firstborn. As a shepherd gathers His flock, so shall He gather them, and keep them.

The Lord shall set up an ensign for the nations, a visible standard under which the scattered children of Israel shall assemble. Outcasts of Israel and the dispersed of Judah shall be gathered from the four corners of the earth. With mighty hand, stretched-out arm, and the fury of His power poured out, He will bring them from the peoples among whom they were scattered. Just as He pleaded with their fathers in the wilderness of Egypt, so shall He plead with them face to face, in a time of testing and teaching, to bring them into the land He has promised.

From every side He shall gather them, and bring them into their own land. No longer shall Israel and Judah be two nations; He shall make them one nation, and one king shall reign over them all. They shall dwell safely in the mountains of Israel, and their hearts shall be turned to Him. Their eyes shall be opened to know the Lord, and they shall ask the way to Zion, saying, “Come, and let us join ourselves to the Lord in a perpetual covenant that shall not be forgotten.”

In that day, the Lord will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Him forever. He will cleanse them from all their iniquity, giving them a new heart and a new spirit. His Spirit will be within them, guiding them to walk in His statutes, to keep His judgments, and to dwell permanently in the land He gave to their fathers. They shall be His people, and He shall be their God.

The Lord Himself will lead them, caring for the weak, the burdened, and the weary. They shall come from east and west, from north and south; the coasts of the earth shall send them. They shall no more say, “The Lord brought us up out of Egypt,” but, “The Lord liveth, who brought us and led us from the north country, from all countries whither He had driven us; and we shall dwell in our own land.”

And thus shall the righteous Branch, the Messiah, reign. Judah shall be saved, Israel shall dwell safely, and all nations shall witness the goodness and prosperity the Lord bestows. The gathering of the lost tribes will be complete, a testimony to the world of His power, His mercy, and His everlasting covenant with His people.

This narrative combines Jeremiah, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zephaniah, and Amos, showing how God moves the multitude of lost tribes: personally, globally, safely, and spiritually, at the time of Jesus’ second advent.

Blessings

The problem, though, is in people thinking this took place in 1948. The millions of us Israelis here in America are all still here, not having yet been gathered over there. We're still scattered all across the earth, some of us still in Iran and Iraq. The 1948 claim, therefore, is an emotional belief rather than a belief rooted in reality. That gathering is yet future.

BTW

 

[LoveYeshua]

The problem, though, is in people thinking this took place in 1948. The millions of us Israelis here in America are all still here, not having yet been gathered over there. We're still scattered all across the earth, some of us still in Iran and Iraq. The 1948 claim, therefore, is an emotional belief rather than a belief rooted in reality. That gathering is yet future.

BTW

1948 was just a start, I received a series of visions a few years ago they were repeating and lasted over a month. the vision a simple one and was before my eyes, the words: "EXODUS" and "Jacobs trouble", then I did not know what to do with it but now I know, Christ is about to come back this generation and the lost tribes will be called back to the promised land, this is certain. I am not an expert in end times prophecy like some others here but this was given to me and is certain.

I see also world events are getting worse by the minute. we wont have to wait too long now.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

1948 was just a start, I received a series of visions a few years ago they were repeating and lasted over a month. the vision a simple one and was before my eyes, the words: "EXODUS" and "Jacobs trouble", then I did not know what to do with it but now I know, Christ is about to come back this generation and the lost tribes will be called back to the promised land, this is certain. I am not an expert in end times prophecy like some others here but this was given to me and is certain.

I see also world events are getting worse by the minute. we wont have to wait too long now.

Don't be surprised if we're all long gone from this world when the rapture finally happens. What seems reasonable to us to encourage dreams and visions most generally have shown to be off by quite a space. The one sign we are told for sure is the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and that indicator has no defining precursor to it.

BTW

 

[LoveYeshua]

Don't be surprised if we're all long gone from this world when the rapture finally happens. What seems reasonable to us to encourage dreams and visions most generally have shown to be off by quite a space. The one sign we are told for sure is the fullness of the Gentiles be come in, and that indicator has no defining precursor to it.

BTW

ALL the dreams and visions I have had so far always happened within 10-20 years but there might be exceptions, no one knows when but God.

Blessings.

 

[ewq1938]

Please educate yourself on the definition differences between covenant and testament.

Take your own advice. They are from the same Greek word. You would know that if you studied it even for 10 seconds.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.

Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Take your own advice. They are from the same Greek word. You would know that if you studied it even for 10 seconds.

Mat 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.

G1242
d?a??´??
diathe¯ke¯
dee-ath-ay'-kay
From G1303; properly a disposition, that is, (specifically) a contract (especially a devisory will): - covenant, testament.

Same exact word and meaning. A Testament is exactly the same as a Covenant.

Heb_9:15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Heb 12:24 And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel.


1. Heb 9:15 Jesus "is the mediator of the new testament"
2. Heb 12:24 "Jesus the mediator of the new covenant"

Dude, you're not understanding the differences in English between those two words. It doesn't matter that both came from the same Greek word. Even in the Greek, the source word also has more than one definition ALWAYS depending on the context and grammatical constructs. Context is king. Theology 101 teaches that to the students. Ive never used my Th.D to teach university level Bible, but I certainly could if that was the path for me. Jesus' blood attoned for sin only AFTER His death, that is why it was a TESTAMENT. The TESTATOR had to die for the testament to be in force.

The new covenant, on the other hand, is not yet active because the old covenant of Law is still in force as the indictment against all who reject Christ, which includes my fellow Israelis of the Judaism branch that has been cut off for the time being but will soon be grafted back in. I can prove that to you if necessary. Even liberal theologians know all this, but arm chair experts who think they're the new knowledge base...no. I haven't seen that pan out as of yet.

BTW

 

[ewq1938]

Dude, you're not understanding the differences in English between those two words. It doesn't matter that both came from the same Greek word.

LOL....yes it matters. The English doesn't matter at all.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

LOL....yes it matters. The English doesn't matter at all.

It appears you're too afraid to look in the dictionary...the English dictionary. Is there a reason for that?

I wouldn't be so quick to laugh given how wrong you are.

COVENANT:
1. A mutual consent or agreement of two or more persons, to do or to forbear some act or thing; a contract; stipulation. A covenant is created by deed in writing, sealed and executed; or it may be implied in the contract.

3. In theology, the covenant of works, is that implied in the commands, prohibitions, and promises of God; the promise of God to man, that man's perfect obedience should entitle him to happiness.

TESTAMENT:
1. A solemn authentic instrument in writing, by which a person declares his will as to the disposal of his estate and effects after his death. This is otherwise called a will. A testament to be valid, must be made when the testator is of sound mind, and it must be subscribed, witnessed and published in such manner as the law prescribes.

Notice that a covenant is not dependent upon the death of either party, where testament is dependent upon the death of the testator, just as the authors of Hebrews taught in scripture:

Hebrews 9:16-17 — For where a testament is, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. For a testament is of force after men are dead: otherwise it is of no strength at all while the testator liveth.

So, claiming there is no difference in English only shows ignorance of the facts. Talk to your attorney about your having to die in order for a contract to be of any force, a contract made with another person or institution, and you will be laughed out of the office to say there's no difference in English between a covenant and a testament. Even scripture itself shows otherwise.

Your prideful and arrogant indifference to facts pointed out to you is astoundingly lacking in humor.

Context is king. You would be wise to accept that in the midst of your not knowing what English words even mean.

BTW

 

[BeforeThereWas]

1948 wasn't a fulfillment (total fulfillment) of prophetic utterings in the OT because those prophecies describe restoration (Messiah's Kingdom, true Israel in Christ) or future national events (Tribulation, Ezekiel 38/39, a unified, believing Israel), not just a political state with military power. Reality points to the modern state's actions, lack of universal belief in Israel's Messiah, Christ Jesus, among Jews, and incomplete territorial/spiritual conditions (like the Temple's rebuilding, or a unified, redeemed people) as reasons it's a partial sign, not the complete end-times picture.

But, the modern culture here in the West that routinely practices rejection of what doesn't mesh with what people here want to believe, as if wishful thinking and beliefs shape reality rather than the other way around...the manic indifference to truth marches on as an unstoppable army.

BTW

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The problem, though, is in people thinking this took place in 1948. The millions of us Israelis here in America are all still here, not having yet been gathered over there. We're still scattered all across the earth, some of us still in Iran and Iraq. The 1948 claim, therefore, is an emotional belief rather than a belief rooted in reality. That gathering is yet future.

BTW

Well it is an ongoing in gathering. It concludes at the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns and sends angels tro the four corners of the earth to finish the regathering.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Well it is an ongoing in gathering. It concludes at the end of the tribulation when Jesus returns and sends angels tro the four corners of the earth to finish the regathering.

Let's see what Jesus said about that gathering:

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Is that the passage you're talking about?

BTW

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Let's see what Jesus said about that gathering:

Matthew 13:41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

Is that the passage you're talking about?

BTW

Nope.

it is this one:

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Nope.

it is this one:

Matthew 24:31
And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, Jesus was telling of the time AFTER the tribulation when He will have His chosen people Israel collected together. That's not speaking of the time before the tribulation, even though there are those who believe such.

BTW

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The State is not Israel in fact !
That was just made up word play !

Anyone who thinks that the State of Israel is Israel is a fool !
Even the best learnard Jews do not say that it is Israel in fact, but they hope that it will become Israel once again ! they have been having a hell of a time in trying to be worthy of Israel, but a great failing within who are an abomination to the OT !

It would of been a blessing if the State was worthy of the OT !

But who could say that the working of the State was clearly Gods working ! I believe No ! but clearly the workings of Man, Rothchilds has clearly stated it was all their doing ! I seen such on TV with the top dog himself clearly saying so.

Not to mention the fact that if it was not for Hitler such would never of got off the ground in fact !
Hitler was the first number one dude for pushing for a Jewish homeland in fact ! and totaly in bed with such Zionist !

The State called Israel has total thanks to Hitler and Rothschilds being it's modern creation in fact ! for it clearly would never of got off the ground if it was not for them two.

So was such clearly an act of God ! To bring a unrepented people back who would clearly kill Jesus in a heart beat ! who have no regards Jesus at all in fact ! So clearly God was wrong ? must be the answer ?

So did God get it wrong !
If one Idolises The State, one must totaly believe God got it wrong !

Who is looking to the Jews to bring in the new age ?

For I thought that Jesus had done so ! only that it's been on it's way it's here but for this world is full of deceptions and delusions ! but we who are truly born again are of the Kingdom of God ! for we are Saved in him ! so such a One does not go back to the Vomit.
We will overcome this world in time.

This nonsense in Idolising of so called Jews is pathetic ! That's not how one is Saved ! or every Jew was blessed ? they never were, it was only a handfull who were worthy of God in fact !

Only people who are Lost look to the State that Carnal people think is Israel ! because clearly they are Lost in fact !
Go and ask any carnal dope or Atheist, where is Israel ?

 

[PeterAndroz]

I disagree. Preparatory work, such as technological preparations and international erosion of national sovereignties and populace sways in attitudes and beliefs, all prior to that clock starting its ticking once again, all of that isn't a matter of it ticking away right now. We're still under the dispensation of grace, which will end at the rapture. Israel's fall put a hold on fulfillments of prophecies.

However, those who want to remain here to enjoy the horrors of the tribulation are those who are not stablished by Paul's Gospel to be caught up to meet Christ. Works-based salvationists who are not stablished are in for a rude awakening.

Romans 16:25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

BTW

Hey BTW, I don't know if you are still active but kudos to you.
Neither do I see the 1948 Israel as being a prophetic event and I'll go even further by stating that prophetic events will only resume when this current MYSTERY Church Age - The Body of Christ taught only by Paul ends.
MY GOSPEL - excellent and only taught and revealed by Christ to Paul
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The Gospel :-
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[RedLetterJoe]

1948 is a partial fulfilment that started the prophetic clock ticking.
Israel became a nation again.
Jews returned from the four compass points
The shekel was restored.
Biblical Hebrew was restored again.

All these are a fulfilment of prophecy. But let us remember, Israel has never possessed the full promised land. that only happens in teh Millennial kingdom!

43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 44And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 45There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
The Book of Joshua

I cannot say that I am eagerly awaiting your response to Gods Holy Word, but it should at the very least, be an interesting one.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein. 44And the LORD gave them rest round about, according to all that he sware unto their fathers: and there stood not a man of all their enemies before them; the LORD delivered all their enemies into their hand. 45There failed not ought of any good thing which the LORD had spoken unto the house of Israel; all came to pass.
The Book of Joshua

I cannot say that I am eagerly awaiting your response to Gods Holy Word, but it should at the very least, be an interesting one.

Well show from Scripture when Israel controlled all of Sinai to the Nile River, and to the Euphrates in the East. Those are boundaries of the promised land.

Your misunderstanding is in the verb gave. IN English it is simpler. but here in the Hebrew, it is in the Qal sequential imperfect which is better wriottn in English as Yahweh was bestowing all teh promised land (not that Israel inhabited all the promised land.

It is similar when Scripture says that Nebuchadnezzar was ruler of the entire earth. God granted him teh right to rula all, but he did not rule all.

 

[RedLetterJoe]

Well show from Scripture when Israel controlled all of Sinai to the Nile River, and to the Euphrates in the East. Those are boundaries of the promised land.

Your misunderstanding is in the verb gave. IN English it is simpler. but here in the Hebrew, it is in the Qal sequential imperfect which is better wriottn in English as Yahweh was bestowing all teh promised land (not that Israel inhabited all the promised land.

It is similar when Scripture says that Nebuchadnezzar was ruler of the entire earth. God granted him teh right to rula all, but he did not rule all.

43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Its not a parable Ron. Its a very direct statement. ALL the promised land, they possessed it and dwelt in it. The passage is quite clear and unambiguous, and I understand it quite well thanks, as does everyone else who isn't trying to twist it to fit into some preconceived narrative.

 

[Jay Ross]

I have probably suggested this verse before; however, many believe that it is not associated with the 1948 AD return of some of Abraham's descendants to the land of Canaan.

The verse is Gen 15:16 which states: -

English Standard Version​

And they shall come back here in the fourth generation, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”​

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Berean Standard Bible​

In the fourth generation your descendants will return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”​

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Berean Literal Bible​

And the fourth generation, they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorite here is not yet complete.”​

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King James Bible​

But in the fourth generation they shall come hither again: for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet full.​

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New King James Version​

But in the fourth generation they shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”​

The duration of a Generation in this prophetic verse is 1,024 solar years, and in 1948 AD, by my calculations, some of Abraham's descendants returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength, 4,000 years after the birth of Isaac.

Now the completion of the iniquities is still not yet completed, and my understanding is that the completion of the Amorites iniquities still has around 20 or so years before it will be completed.