1948 NOT a Complete Fulfillment of Prophecy

[Ronald Nolette]

43And the LORD gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers; and they possessed it, and dwelt therein.

Its not a parable Ron. Its a very direct statement. ALL the promised land, they possessed it and dwelt in it. The passage is quite clear and unambiguous, and I understand it quite well thanks, as does everyone else who isn't trying to twist it to fit into some preconceived narrative.

Well you need to look at it grammatically. It is a direct statement but unfortunately you are taking the and simple translation instead of looking into the grammar of the Hebrew and HISTORY!

Israel has yet to occupy all the promised land from the Nile to the Euphrates to the Mediterranean. If you bothered to look at the Hebrew and understand it from that perspective, and then look at history, you would walk away with the same view I have

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Yes. There are a number of places they dredge up from, such as Daniel, Isaiah and other places they compile from in order to jam it all together into a huge pot of gobbldygoop that confuses the masses, with most not knowing how to respond, much less to offer a rebuttal.

MM

Gobbledygook?
It is important to mention Covenants briefly. Covenants need to be fulfilled, specifically to Abraham, Israel, David, Jesus, to nations and creation during Jesus’ 1,000-year reign.

The Palestinian Covenant, also called the Land Covenant (Deuteronomy 30:1-10)
Abraham did go to the Promised Land, he did have many descendants, and he is the father of many nations. Joshua led the Israelites to claim ownership of the promised Land.
>>> Specific boundaries were never possessed by Israel, not even under King Solomon. (see Numbers 34:1-12.) ... BUT the Jews have been returning to their promised land on this generation , currently only partially possessed, but AFTER TUE GREAT TRIBULATION, A NEW AGE WILL BEGIN, A MILLENNIAL KINGDOM WHERE THEY WILL FINALLY POSSESS ALL THE LAND PROMISED AND THEIR ORIGINAL CO ENANT FULFILLED.

Abrahamic Covenant states His descendants would have the land forever (aionios, ages) The nations would be blessed by him.

“for all the land which you see, I will give it to you and to your descendants forever.” Gen. 13:15 >> Has not been fulfilled yet!

“Nevertheless, I will remember My covenant with you in the days of your youth, and I will establish an everlasting covenant with you. Ezek. 16:60

The Davidic Covenant
2 Samuel 7:16 says that
David’s heir (Jesus), would sit on the throne of Israel forever. (when aionios is applied to God, it means eternal)

Jeremiah 31:31-32 describes the New Covenant. But the Lord is not done with Israel, she will be grafted in as well into the Body. Verses 33-34 state, “But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Romans 11 says that during the Great Tribulation Israel will be saved (showing a distinct difference from the Gentile Church, but then they will finally be grafted in - not every Jew, but a remnant 1/3).
Rev. 7 & 14 also distinguish 144k virgin males marked from the 12 tribes of Israel (whom only God knows and has preserved for that time.)
Israel as a nation will worship their Messiah, Whom they will finally realize. Isaiah, Jeremiah, Hosea, and Ezekiel, all wrote if this future fulfillment.

Israel was scattered for almost 18 centuries, but were brought back to their home once again. “but – As the Lord lives, who brought up the sons of Israel from the land of the north and from all the countries where He had banished them. For I will restore them to their own land which I gave to their fathers.” Jer. 16:15

“Say to them, Thus says the Lord GOD, - Behold, I will take the sons of Israel from among the nations where they have gone and I will gather them from every side and bring them into their own land.” Ezek.37:21 The Jewish nation became a state in 1948/49. This gathering of Israel is significant. Many scholars agree that this is when the clock started to tick, a sign that this would be the last generation that would see the end of the ages, the Gentile nations and the Second Coming.

The Land Covenant as well as all covenants will be fulfilled... unless you don't believe in God's promise?

 

[Davy]

Apparently his is pro moslem

He's rooting for the moslems to destroy Israel just like all the others being deceived by the devil in to opposing the Lord.

That's silly, just because he recognizes that the majority of the children of Israel are still to this day, scattered through the nations, and have not returned to the holy land yet. Ezekiel 37 shows when that will happen.

 

[Davy]

That 1948 was not THE fulfillment of any prophecy, any more than having a chassis and wheels mounted toward a functioning car, but without the engine, is not a fulfillment of the total car with a body. Preparatory stages are not THE fulfillment that is yet to come. That's my point. I keep hearing arm chair experts and enthusiasts making claims about 1948 that simply aren't true.

BTW

I differ with that thought. 1948 did fulfill a Bible prophecy from the Old Testament given Jeremiah, that is, if... those of the seed of Israel there are not plucked up and removed from the land again, the last time being by the Romans in 70 A.D.

 

[Davy]

Who has been returning to the land of Israel...

1. Per Jeremiah 24, God showed Jeremiah two baskets of figs, one was a basket of good figs, and the other was a basket of 'evil' figs. God said the good basket represented Judah, and that He would bring them back to the holy land and not pluck them up again, and given them a heart to know Him. These are about the 'true' seed of Israel.

2. The evil basket of figs, that dwelt among Judah, God said He would bring those to the land with Judah also, and that these would be a taunt and a curse. These represents the 'false Jews' that Jesus said they say... they are Jews, but are not, but do lie, and are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2:9; Rev.3:9). They are foreigners of the leftover Canaanite nations which Israel was not able to completely destroy per God's commandment when the children of Israel entered into the land. They are the "tares" in Christ's parable of the wheat and tares; they are the "brute beasts" of 2 Peter 2; they are the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4. By the time of Jesus' 1st coming, they include the Idumeans of the children of Esau that had also become religious Jews. King Herod was a Jew of the children of Esau for example, and was appointed as a puppet king by the Romans.

That's who has been returning to the land of Israel, and also created the nation of Israel again in 1948. Both baskets. The good basket of figs, the true seed of Israel, Judah, is only a small remnant in the land of Israel today, and do not rule the nation. The majority in power there today are of the evil basket of figs.

Per 1 Kings 11, God split old Israel in Solomon's day into two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea in the south, made up only of the tribes Judah and Benjamin, and then later the tribe of Levi along with some remnants out of the northern ten tribes (2 Chronicles 11). After the split, these became known as the "house of Judah", or just "Judah", or even just "Jerusalem" in God's Word.

But the northern ten tribes during the split, God gave ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim and he became "king of Israel" in the northern lands. These made up the majority of the children of Israel, ten tribes dwelling in the northern holy land. AFter the split these would be known as the "house of Israel", or "kingdom of Israel", or as "Samaria" (its capital city in the north), or as just "Israel", or as "Ephraim" (its head tribe), or even as just "Joseph" (father of Ephraim). These ten tribes God scattered out of the land first because of their idol worship.

And per 1 Kings 11, God said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for Jerusalem and David's sake. That would be Judah, the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah". By the time this "house of Judah" went captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" God had ended, they were taken captive to Assyria by the kings of Assyria about 120 years prior to Judah's Babylon captivity (See 2 Kings 17).

Thus to this day, the two 'houses' are still separate, and false Jew foreigners sit in Moses' seat in the nation of Israel. They will lead the majority of true Jews living there to bow in false worship to the coming Messiah the false ones will present as the Biblical Messiah of Old Testament prophecy, yet he will be a fake.

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

 

[Nancy]

Who has been returning to the land of Israel...

1. Per Jeremiah 24, God showed Jeremiah two baskets of figs, one was a basket of good figs, and the other was a basket of 'evil' figs. God said the good basket represented Judah, and that He would bring them back to the holy land and not pluck them up again, and given them a heart to know Him. These are about the 'true' seed of Israel.

2. The evil basket of figs, that dwelt among Judah, God said He would bring those to the land with Judah also, and that these would be a taunt and a curse. These represents the 'false Jews' that Jesus said they say... they are Jews, but are not, but do lie, and are the "synagogue of Satan" (Rev.2:9; Rev.3:9). They are foreigners of the leftover Canaanite nations which Israel was not able to completely destroy per God's commandment when the children of Israel entered into the land. They are the "tares" in Christ's parable of the wheat and tares; they are the "brute beasts" of 2 Peter 2; they are the "certain men crept in unawares" of Jude 4. By the time of Jesus' 1st coming, they include the Idumeans of the children of Esau that had also become religious Jews. King Herod was a Jew of the children of Esau for example, and was appointed as a puppet king by the Romans.

That's who has been returning to the land of Israel, and also created the nation of Israel again in 1948. Both baskets. The good basket of figs, the true seed of Israel, Judah, is only a small remnant in the land of Israel today, and do not rule the nation. The majority in power there today are of the evil basket of figs.

Per 1 Kings 11, God split old Israel in Solomon's day into two separate kingdoms, the southern "kingdom of Judah" at Jerusalem-Judea in the south, made up only of the tribes Judah and Benjamin, and then later the tribe of Levi along with some remnants out of the northern ten tribes (2 Chronicles 11). After the split, these became known as the "house of Judah", or just "Judah", or even just "Jerusalem" in God's Word.

But the northern ten tribes during the split, God gave ten tribes to Jeroboam of the tribe of Ephraim and he became "king of Israel" in the northern lands. These made up the majority of the children of Israel, ten tribes dwelling in the northern holy land. AFter the split these would be known as the "house of Israel", or "kingdom of Israel", or as "Samaria" (its capital city in the north), or as just "Israel", or as "Ephraim" (its head tribe), or even as just "Joseph" (father of Ephraim). These ten tribes God scattered out of the land first because of their idol worship.

And per 1 Kings 11, God said He would always leave one tribe at Jerusalem for Jerusalem and David's sake. That would be Judah, the Jews of the southern "kingdom of Judah". By the time this "house of Judah" went captive to Babylon by Nebuchadnezzar, the ten northern tribe "kingdom of Israel" God had ended, they were taken captive to Assyria by the kings of Assyria about 120 years prior to Judah's Babylon captivity (See 2 Kings 17).

Thus to this day, the two 'houses' are still separate, and false Jew foreigners sit in Moses' seat in the nation of Israel. They will lead the majority of true Jews living there to bow in false worship to the coming Messiah the false ones will present as the Biblical Messiah of Old Testament prophecy, yet he will be a fake.

John 5:43
43 I am come in My Father's name, and ye receive Me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.
KJV

Ashkanazis?

 

[Davy]

Ashkanazis?

... and these...

1 Chron 2:55
55 And the families of the scribes which dwelt at Jabez; the Tirathites, the Shimeathites, and Suchathites. These are the Kenites that came of Hemath, the father of the house of Rechab.
KJV

Gen 15:18-21
18 In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, "Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
19 The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
20 And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
21 And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.
KJV

Matt 20:18-19
18 Behold, we go up to Jerusalem; and the Son of man shall be betrayed unto the chief priests and unto the scribes, and they shall condemn Him to death,
19 And shall deliver Him to the Gentiles to mock, and to scourge, and to crucify Him: and the third day He shall rise again.
KJV

Matt 23:1-2
23 Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to His disciples,
2 Saying, "The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:"
KJV