When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[Lambano]

And He has made it easy by taking away our sin nature where lawlessness dwelt.

If it really worked that way, you'd think we'd be better persons than we are.

The "sin nature" is more than just an inclination to break God's commandments.

I look around, and I see Christians who are self-centered, proud to the point of arrogance, and indifferent to the suffering and needs of their neighbors. THAT's where the "sin nature" really is.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The "sin nature" is more than just an inclination to break God's commandments.

I look around, and I see Christians who are still self-centered, proud to the point of arrogance, and indifferent to the suffering and needs of their neighbors. THAT's where the "sin nature" really is.

Did you know that for the past 3,500 years God sees sin in two different categories? The worst, He takes away along with the nature of Satan that we inherited from Adam. But the lesser is taken away in degrees over a long time as in 2 Peter 1:5-7. The worst are called sins unto death because that is what happened to someone under the Old Covenant who broke a commandment of God.

But, the lesser type of immature fruit of the Spirit that are referred to as sins not unto death, Jesus matures in us one at a time over a long process called glorification, Romans 8:29-30.

It has only been in the last 500 years that the Reformationists changed the two into one, calling all transgressions "sin is sin." Horrendous doctrines have come out of the Reformation until people like John Wesley came along about 200 years after the Reformation began and started the holiness movement. Jesus said of those at the beginning of the Reformation/Sardis "you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead." The biggest mutation was about SIN. Most Protestants have a defeastist doctrine about sin, that they will always sin until after we die. That is a slap to Jesus' face, and the demons love it.

 

[ProDeo]

I've known this for almost 50 years that the sin I was a slave to, overnight the whole desire was gone.

That is exactly what happened to me the evening I was born again, my dead conscience awakened and the desire to sin was gone. It's what the apostle John is saying.

1Joh 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

It does not mean I sin no longer and if do :

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Joh 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

And about the orange, God cleans us also from those sins we are not even aware of.

 

[PS95]

That is exactly what happened to me the evening I was born again, my dead conscience awakened and the desire to sin was gone. It's what the apostle John is saying.

1Joh 3:9 No one born of God makes a practice of sinning, for God's seed abides in him, and he cannot keep on sinning because he has been born of God.

It does not mean I sin no longer and if do :

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1Joh 1:10 If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

There are some who believe that those verses apply apply to when a person first comes to Christ. IOW if you say you have no sins you don't come to Christ because you have made Him a liar.
I've considered that view since I was told it by @1stCenturyLady a while ago. It can be viewed either way, I suppose. The problem with that thinking is where John continues this thought in chapter 2-1:

I John 2:1-11
1My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

So if the sin nature is gone at conversion why would John say that?

And about the orange, God cleans us also from those sins we are not even aware of.

 

[PS95]

I'll answer this first part first. Read Revelation 22:11. There are two levels of purity and Jesus does them both in us while born again. The first is righteousness. That is sinlessness, but of what type of sin? The worst! Sins unto death. Not physical death like suicide, but the Old Testament punishment was death by stoning. When God writes His moral laws on your heart and they become part of you and you keep them naturally with no effort, that is instantaneous when we are first born again. You love what God loves, and you absolutely hate what God hates. I know that from my personal experience when trying as hard as I might, over and over, I could not give up my married lover. I finally surrendered and told God I was too weak. And that He was strong, so I was going to leave it up to Him to somehow keep me away from him. One week later my lover broke up with me. It finally dawned on him that he was not being fair to me and knew he couldn't be there when I needed him. Jesus can even get through to an atheist. And it was love that kept him away from me. Two weeks later after being so broken hearted I could hardly breathe, came the day after 30 years of going to church unsaved, I was born again and filled with more joy than I had ever known. That experience is a long story in itself, and I won't trouble you with it right now. The point is I was free from the sin unto death of adultery. That type of sin is the topic and context of 1 John 3, the breaking of a commandment of God. It is about righeousness. And if you read it carefully, sinlessness.

But there is another type of sin, a sin not unto death that we will commit when immature in the Spirit. Jesus as the Finisher of our faith does that too in us as long as we stay abiding in Him and walking in the Spirit, 1 John 1:7. Yes, it is Peter that speaks of that second perfecting, but instead of instantaneous it is a long process. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Those who do keep themselves abiding in Christ will notice strengths of character that you were once weak in now being strong. And thick skinned. LOL I thank God for these forums I've been on for a couple decades. It is here if you let it, that Jesus can finish what He started, Phil 1:6. But there are some on the forums who haven't changed an iota I've seen on here for years, and verse 9 is their story.

Once Jesus has matured all the fruit of the Spirit in you, that is when you have become holy and, yes, NEVER STUMBLE. Only Jesus knows when He is finished and you are perfect. "Be holy as I am holy."

I'll see what else you have to say later.

Ok-All that I have to say to that for now- is you are confusing me. Your OP said this--

A true born again of the Spirit of Christ does not have two natures.
A true born again of the Spirit of Christ does not any longer have a sin nature.
A true born again of the Spirit of Christ with a clean nature may now partake of the divine nature of God.

That clearly reads as one who is born again no longer has a sin nature which would mean they can not sin are are holy.
THAT is what I'm arguing against. We are capable of sin after being born again. I also was able to stop "big" sin at conversion being changed by God inside. But I could still sin. If I had no sin nature how was that possible? I was made more acutely aware of my sins!
If you were speaking to growing in holiness over our lives that is a different subject.
It also does not go along with the OP statements that inflamed everyone here.
So, was that an error in the OP or what on earth are you trying to teach us?

 

[PS95]

I would say one is perfected in love insofar as they are walking and living in love....which is another way of saying living and walking in the Spirit. And that is what John was speaking of. I don't believe anyone will sin or have an evil thought of their own when they are walking and dwelling in the Spirit. Most of us are just not there yet, so we shouldn't limit God to our own personal experience.

I think the OP is saying she has never sinned wilfully, but only inadvertently. Unless I'm misunderstanding....not sure I'm processing everything that is being said properly. It really is like a slap in the face in my opinion to limit what God can do in the life of a believer, and what Jesus accomplished on the cross, although not deliberate.

I see. Ok, well growing toward holiness is not the same thing as what the OP stated. At least not in my mind! See below- that is saying once we are born again we have no sin nature- therefore we can never sin. That is not true. Growing in holiness is not the same thing.

A true born again of the Spirit of Christ does not have two natures.
A true born again of the Spirit of Christ does not any longer have a sin nature.
A true born again of the Spirit of Christ with a clean nature may now partake of the divine nature of God.

 

[PS95]

I'll answer this first part first. Read Revelation 22:11. There are two levels of purity and Jesus does them both in us while born again. The first is righteousness. That is sinlessness, but of what type of sin? The worst! Sins unto death. Not physical death like suicide, but the Old Testament punishment was death by stoning. When God writes His moral laws on your heart and they become part of you and you keep them naturally with no effort, that is instantaneous when we are first born again. You love what God loves, and you absolutely hate what God hates. I know that from my personal experience when trying as hard as I might, over and over, I could not give up my married lover. I finally surrendered and told God I was too weak. And that He was strong, so I was going to leave it up to Him to somehow keep me away from him. One week later my lover broke up with me. It finally dawned on him that he was not being fair to me and knew he couldn't be there when I needed him. Jesus can even get through to an atheist. And it was love that kept him away from me. Two weeks later after being so broken hearted I could hardly breathe, came the day after 30 years of going to church unsaved, I was born again and filled with more joy than I had ever known. That experience is a long story in itself, and I won't trouble you with it right now. The point is I was free from the sin unto death of adultery. That type of sin is the topic and context of 1 John 3, the breaking of a commandment of God. It is about righeousness. And if you read it carefully, sinlessness.

But there is another type of sin, a sin not unto death that we will commit when immature in the Spirit. Jesus as the Finisher of our faith does that too in us as long as we stay abiding in Him and walking in the Spirit, 1 John 1:7. Yes, it is Peter that speaks of that second perfecting, but instead of instantaneous it is a long process. 8 For if these things are yours and abound, you will be neither barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins. Those who do keep themselves abiding in Christ will notice strengths of character that you were once weak in now being strong. And thick skinned. LOL I thank God for these forums I've been on for a couple decades. It is here if you let it, that Jesus can finish what He started, Phil 1:6. But there are some on the forums who haven't changed an iota I've seen on here for years, and verse 9 is their story.

Once Jesus has matured all the fruit of the Spirit in you, that is when you have become holy and, yes, NEVER STUMBLE. Only Jesus knows when He is finished and you are perfect. "Be holy as I am holy."

I'll see what else you have to say later.

Rev 22:11- ok do so you see righteousness as imputed? and holiness as a work over time by the Spirit? is that what you are trying to say?
But we can still sin while righteous? How with no sin nature?
but we never sin when holy?
I believe glorification is after physical death. You don't? Romans 8:30, Phil 3:20-21 1 Cor 15: 42-44
it is when the faithful are resurrected and receive their eternal, glorified bodies. .. the culmination of the sanctification process

 

[ProDeo]

I John 2:1-11
1My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. 2And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.
3Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. 4He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God [a]is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him. 6He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.

So if the sin nature is gone at conversion why would John say that?

You are correct.

And John was writing to believers.

And about sin-nature :

Depends on who you ask -

Augustine - nagging, pushing, persisting selfish babies who insist the mother's breast.

Paul - Efez 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

David - Ps 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Instead of sin-nature I suggest :

Born in a fallen state.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I think personal example is testimony of Christ and his holy spirit gospel working within us.

I would be a miserable fraud were I to attest,I am sinless! While casting judgemental aspersions upon others whom I criticize for their disagreement with my point of view.

I cannot sin while insisting I am sinless.

Ephesians 4 doesn't tell me I will be sinless in this flesh. Instead,it tells me I will grow in Christ.

I think we should realize, righteous understanding will not arrive in that which tells us,they have a thick skin when facing those making that effort of correction.
Thick skin tells you, they have resisted correction for a long time.

Let God do the work.

Meanwhile,pray their thick flesh of this world should thin out under the blessing of his light.

I feel the OP of this thread is indeed a shame.

I see it as intending to flaunt the authors error as something righteous instead. So to boast to others of their superiority, while they judge us for not being like minded.

My advice is, , don't get mad.

Keep your peace and breathe the breath of light and life into your emotions before posting.

Love.
Even when they're wrong.

Only God can set them aright.

I am going to quote a few verses for you and please tell me if they are true or if you believe as you've written here that they are false. This is about righteousness.

4 Whoever commits sin also commits lawlessness, and sin is lawlessness. 5 And you know that He was manifested to take away our sins, and in Him there is no sin. 6 Whoever abides in Him does not sin. Whoever sins has neither seen Him nor known Him. 7 Little children, let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous. 8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God.

These are verses regarding sinlessness, because righteousness is sinlessness with regards to the context of lawlessness. Do you know the difference between the two types of sins?

Tell me if you do.

 

[PS95]

You are correct.

And John was writing to believers.

And about sin-nature :

Depends on who you ask -

Augustine - nagging, pushing, persisting selfish babies who insist the mother's breast.

Paul - Efez 2:3 among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind.

David - Ps 51:5 Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Instead of sin-nature I suggest :

Born in a fallen state.

As I see it the OP says one thing and growing in holiness is another. Maybe people do define sin nature differently. I don't even use that term.
If the OP was about growing in holiness then I did not see it as saying that at all.. I thought she was saying we can not sin if we born again. She rejects "practicing" sin. I see it a reasonable because of 1 John 2:1- otherwise John is saying we can not ever sin and then tell believers not to sin. It makes no sense.! I have never used that as an excuse to sin- God forbid- but it certainly is helpful for when I do sin in thoughts or say something I shouldn't have.
For someone to say she has reached glorification is troublesome to me.

Therefore let him who thinks he stands take heed that he does not fall. 1 Cor 10:2

If anyone thinks he is something when he is nothing, he deceives himself. Gal 6:3

That is correct: They were broken off because of unbelief, but you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. Ro 11:20

2 Peter 3
Therefore, beloved, since you already know these things, be on your guard so that you will not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure standing.

1 Peter 5:8-9
Be sober-minded and alert. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour. / Resist him, standing firm in your faith and in the knowledge that your brothers throughout the world are undergoing the same kinds of suffering.

 

[Lambano]

The "sin nature" is more than just an inclination to break God's commandments.

I look around, and I see Christians who are self-centered, proud to the point of arrogance, and indifferent to the suffering and needs of their neighbors. THAT's where the "sin nature" really is.

Did you know that for the past 3,500 years God sees sin in two different categories? The worst, He takes away along with the nature of Satan that we inherited from Adam. But the lesser is taken away in degrees over a long time as in 2 Peter 1:5-7.

Okay; so we still have a sin nature, but it only manifests itself in "lesser" sins?

Doesn't that trivialize the sins that flow from Pride and Self-Centeredness and a failure to "Love our neighbor as ourselves?"

 

[PS95]

Okay; so we still have a sin nature, but it only shows up in "lesser" sins?

Doesn't that trivialize the sins that flow from Pride and Self-Centeredness and the failure to "Love our neighbor as ourselves?"

It appears that she is putting the 10 commandments , calling them sins that lead to death-as- ABOVE, the Law of CHRIST- love -which we are under.
Jesus expanded the 10 to our thoughts/hearts..
We are to forgive or face serious punishment. This is certainly not below adultery! see here- Matt 18

21Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 30And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

@1stCenturyLady - notice the sinner- who was made righteous.. This is not a lesser sin than the 10 commandments- which are Mosaic law which I believe she referenced as the commandments..

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Rev 22:11- ok do so you see righteousness as imputed? and holiness as a work over time by the Spirit? is that what you are trying to say?
But we can still sin while righteous? How with no sin nature?
but we never sin when holy?
I believe glorification is after physical death. You don't? Romans 8:30, Phil 3:20-21 1 Cor 15: 42-44
it is when the faithful are resurrected and receive their eternal, glorified bodies. .. the culmination of the sanctification process

Your first sentence didn't make any sense to me so cannot answer it. But, yes, your second question I understood. Holiness is a work of Jesus in us over time as long as we abide in Him and walk in the Spirit. Philippians 1:6, 1 John 1:7; Romans 8:29-30. Your third question, "we can still sin while righteous? How with no sin nature?" is funny. Did Adam have a sin nature when he willfully sinned against God's command? Wasn't he created perfect and sinless? Or did he acquire a sin nature afterwards? Afterwards. But there is one thing we have that Adam didn't have when created. He didn't have the seed of the Spirit of God dwelling in Him to not commit sin. That seed in 1 John 3:9 that prevents us from breaking one of Ten Commandments (lawlessness vs. 4) is also why Jesus was sinless. He was conceived with the seed of the Father.

It seems like the whole Church after the apostles believes that the long process we go through to make us holy, after the instantaneous removal of sin from our nature when born again of the Spirit and made righteous is called "sanctification." But the Bible doesn't say sanctification is a process. All it means is that when we are cleansed and justified, we are set apart. Is justification a process? Is cleansing all unrighteousness a process. No, (1 Cor. 6:11) just as being born again of the Spirit is not a process, but an experience we go through once to receive the Holy Spirit. The worst or two types of sin is taken away all at once. After that the Holy Spirit of Christ in us releases more power at difference times, and also anoints us when teaching a truth in the Word new to our understanding. It is strange that so few challenge these false doctrines. One I remember was that "sanctification is the process of our overcoming sin." Oh, my... Such blind faith in blind guides. And the other is on glorification that is only for our resurrected body; therefore, is not in our lifetime. Such foolishness.

Glorification is not after death as taught by the Church, but not the apostles. Glorification is being conformed into the image of Christ who gives us His glory NOW, and it is a process, because it is the maturing of each of the fruit of the Spirit among other things if we abide in Him and walk in the Spirit of Christ and found in 2 Peter 1:5-11. The end of this process is beyond mere righteousness. It is holiness and perfection and we are capable of "never stumbling" that Jesus said for us to be as His Father in heaven is perfect.

20 “I do not pray for these (the apostles) alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. John 17 (Note, not will give them after death, but have given them."

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Okay; so we still have a sin nature, but it only shows up in "lesser" sins?

No. We have free will and a human nature. As I just posted and you may not have had a chance to read yet, Adam didn't have a sin nature to willfully sin against God. He had free will. Also, when born again, we have the Holy Spirit which Adam didn't have indwelling him.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

It appears that she is putting the 10 commandments , calling them sins that lead to death-as- ABOVE, the Law of CHRIST- love -which we are under.
Jesus expanded the 10 to our thoughts/hearts..

Don't forget

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous. 13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you (as most on the forums argue against me for being grateful to Jesus for taking away not only my lawless sins and on toward perfection, but yours too). 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Matt 18

21Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven. 23Therefore the kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24And when he had begun to settle accounts, one was brought to him who owed him ten thousand talents. 25But as he was not able to pay, his master commanded that he be sold, with his wife and children and all that he had, and that payment be made. 26The servant therefore fell down before him, saying, ‘Master, have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 27Then the master of that servant was moved with compassion, released him, and forgave him the debt.
28“But that servant went out and found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii; and he laid hands on him and took him by the throat, saying, ‘Pay me what you owe!’ 29So his fellow servant fell down at his feet and begged him, saying, ‘Have patience with me, and I will pay you all.’ 30And he would not, but went and threw him into prison till he should pay the debt. 31So when his fellow servants saw what had been done, they were very grieved, and came and told their master all that had been done. 32Then his master, after he had called him, said to him, ‘You wicked servant! I forgave you all that debt because you begged me. 33Should you not also have had compassion on your fellow servant, just as I had pity on you?’ 34And his master was angry, and delivered him to the torturers until he should pay all that was due to him.
35“So My heavenly Father also will do to you if each of you, from his heart, does not forgive his brother his trespasses.”

@1stCenturyLady - notice the sinner- who was made righteous.. This is not a lesser sin than the 10 commandments- which are Mosaic law which I believe she referenced as the commandments..

"the sinner who was made righteous"? Did you print the wrong verse?

 

[PS95]

Your first sentence didn't make any sense to me so cannot answer it.

I'm not sure what you don't understand by imputed righteousness? it refers to the belief that the righteousness of Jesus Christ is credited to believers, allowing them to be justified before God.

But, yes, your second question I understood. Holiness is a work of Jesus in us over time as long as we abide in Him and walk in the Spirit. Philippians 1:6, 1 John 1:7; Romans 8:29-30.

I agree that we grow in holiness.

Your third question, "we can still sin while righteous? How with no sin nature?" is funny. Did Adam have a sin nature when he willfully sinned against God's command? Wasn't he created perfect and sinless? Or did he acquire a sin nature afterwards? Afterwards. But there is one thing we have that Adam didn't have when created. He didn't have the seed of the Spirit of God dwelling in Him to not commit sin. That seed in 1 John 3:9 that prevents us from breaking one of Ten Commandments (lawlessness vs. 4) is also why Jesus was sinless. He was conceived with the seed of the Father.

I see a few things questionable here. 1. I am not clear on sin nature in Adam. I hear opinions, but I only go by scripture. It does not say either way. He sinned one heck of a sin to cause his death and ours. They were made good. But, is goodness a guarantee not to sin? Within their goodness was the ability to sin – which they did. Being good, as God created them, does not mean they are incapable of doing something wrong. Only God possesses the inability to do evil.- Death spread to all because ALL sinned.

2. The 10 Commandments are part of Mosaic law. We are not under that law. We are under the Law of Christ- All sin is lawlessness and there is much more to sin that the 10 commandments. Where is sodomy in the 10? where is forgiving your brother in the 10? where is not lusting in you heart or being angry with someone? or calling someone a fool which endangers us to hell fire? etc etc......... you think those are lesser sins? I think not --Read Matt 18:21-35.

It seems like the whole Church after the apostles believes that the long process we go through to make us holy, after the instantaneous removal of sin from our nature when born again of the Spirit and made righteous is called "sanctification." But the Bible doesn't say sanctification is a process. All it means is that when we are cleansed and justified, we are set apart. Is justification a process? Is cleansing all unrighteousness a process. No, (1 Cor. 6:11) just as being born again of the Spirit is not a process, but an experience we go through once to receive the Holy Spirit. The worst or two types of sin is taken away all at once. After that the Holy Spirit of Christ in us releases more power at difference times, and also anoints us when teaching a truth in the Word new to our understanding. It is strange that so few challenge these false doctrines. One I remember was that "sanctification is the process of our overcoming sin." Oh, my... Such blind faith in blind guides. And the other is on glorification that is only for our resurrected body; therefore, is not in our lifetime. Such foolishness.

Sanctification is a process throughout our lives. We are being set apart and growing to be more Christ.
Sorry your definition of worst types of sins is not in scripture. See above.

Glorification is not after death as taught by the Church, but not the apostles. Glorification is being conformed into the image of Christ who gives us His glory NOW, and it is a process, because it is the maturing of each of the fruit of the Spirit among other things if we abide in Him and walk in the Spirit of Christ and found in 2 Peter 1:5-11. The end of this process is beyond mere righteousness. It is holiness and perfection and we are capable of "never stumbling" that Jesus said for us to be as His Father in heaven is perfect.

I gave you the verses that teach glorification is our need bodies after death. you ignored them!

20 “I do not pray for these (the apostles) alone, but also for those who will believe in Me through their word; 21 that they all may be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You; that they also may be one in Us, that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22 And the glory which You gave Me I have given them, that they may be one just as We are one: 23 I in them, and You in Me; that they may be made perfect in one, and that the world may know that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. John 17 (Note, not will give them after death, but have given them."

I don't deny walking in holiness nor do I deny being perfected in love. But you have a lot mixed up as I have tried to show you. I'm sure you are a great person and a lover of Christ-and my sister- and I don't claim perfection in my understanding of all of scripture , but some of the things you put together don't work.
For instance- Hebrews 10:2- the word there means your "conscience" in Greek. not what you meant. I don't normally look up in the NLT but I think it will be useful in this instance and they have it accurately and clear. You took t hat to mean something else entirely and it is wrong.
Hebrews 10:1-2
The sacrifices under that system were repeated again and again, year after year, but they were never able to provide perfect cleansing for those who came to worship. 2If they could have provided perfect cleansing, the sacrifices would have stopped, for the worshipers would have been purified once for all time, and their feelings of guilt would have disappeared.

In Christ we have our guilt removed by His one sacrifice.

 

[PS95]

Don't forget

10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother. 11 For this is the message that you heard from the beginning, that we should love one another, 12 not as Cain who was of the wicked one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his works were evil and his brother’s righteous. 13 Do not marvel, my brethren, if the world hates you (as most on the forums argue against me for being grateful to Jesus for taking away not only my lawless sins and on toward perfection, but yours too). 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love the brethren. He who does not love his brother abides in death. 15 Whoever hates his brother is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life abiding in him.

I didn't forget. It seems you did. Where is the reply to Matt 18? that is no lesser sin than adultery is!

 

[PS95]

"the sinner who was made righteous"? Did you print the wrong verse?

Would you like to address the parable? Were his sins forgiven or not?! What happened when he did not also forgive? Does that punishment sound less than punishment for adultery? Is this a lesser sin than Moses law as you have stated? you are not making any sense.

 

[Anchorite]

Would you like to address the parable? Were his sins forgiven or not?! What happened when he did not also forgive? Does that punishment sound less than punishment for adultery? Is this a lesser sin than Moses law as you have stated? you are not making any sense.

She gets her confidence from thinking she was granted a Pentecostal style second work of grace that bestowed “sinless perfection” on her. She will not question it, for then her whole world would fall apart. She enjoys boasting about her superiority to others.