Acts 2:38 applies today but not 44 &45

[PeterAndroz]

It sounds to me like you may be talking about what Bonhoeffer called "cheap grace".

This guy is your source of correct Bible teaching ?
A guy who actively participated in a murder attempt ?

 

[Lambano]

It sounds to me like you may be talking about what Bonhoeffer called "cheap grace".

Only because I can't afford the good stuff.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Sorry, opinions without verses are disgusting.
Scripture is clear, if you don't agree then quote Scripture
+++
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Sorry, verses without all verses are disgusting.
Scripture is clear, if you don't agree then quote the Scriptures, that show you are way way off..

Your deal is false.
Just plan disgusting what you do to God's word.

PAUL PREACHED MANY, MANY ORDINANCES.
The things you do to try and emasculated the bible is embarrassing.
The perversion that everyone but Paul is "setting traps", with a evil alternative gospel is flat out embarassing.

Hyperpauline doctrine is heresy.
Paul said if anyone preaches a different Gospel than the one we preach, let him be accursed.
Are you really willing to say Jesus , Peter, John and James are cursed?
The bible is cursed???????

YOUR DOCTRINE DOES EXACTLY THAT.

POST FOR US ALL OF PAULS ORDINANCES "WORKS".

No hyperpauline has ever gone there.

Paul's Legalism

 

[rebuilder 454]

Sorry, opinions without verses are disgusting.
Scripture is clear, if you don't agree then quote Scripture
+++
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

Both Paul and Peter got the revelation of the gospel to the Gentiles about the same time.

This is where you are so far off.

The bible is written by men of God INSPIRED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Your hyperpauline false teaching is actually taking you away from that fact.
You are believing 100% that a different false Holy Spirit, has set traps in the bible, and that evil spirit inspired a false gospel into the bible, and Christians, without people like you will fail because they believed Jesus, John, and Peter.

Flat out heresy.
YOUR SINGULAR MESSAGE IS :"THE BIBLE CAN NOT BE TRUSTED"

WHERE have we heard this before????
The early CATHOLIC CHURCH.

History come around full circle.

Hyperpaulines, in these last days bringing cunning heresy to the church.

Plain sickening

 

[ScottA]

Acts 2:38-46 Peter teaches what is required to be saved.
So all of you who accept that is how you are saved today, tell us how you are going with v 44 & 45.
***
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

That particular generation was one in particular, one that represents the transition that occurs in the salvation of all who are saved. That verse is God saying: "Behold, before they spring forth I show you of them."

That series of passages is to be taken as a revelation--as a foreshadowing of two completely different parts as different as heaven and earth.

Thus, "rightly dividing the word of truth", being saved is in this world, but fully living as One (fully sharing) is not...but shall be.

 

[Lambano]

Acts 2:38-46 Peter teaches what is required to be saved.

Peter's teaching ends at verse 40. Verse 41 to the end of the chapter is a narrative of the ensuing events.

 

[rwb]

"REQUIRED to be saved"????

Selling their possessions was a RESPONSE to being saved, not a REQUIREMENT for being saved.

I really don't want to go here, but I think it's necessary: Ask yourself: If Jesus personally asked you to sell your possessions, give the proceeds to the poor, and follow Him (see Matthew 19:20-22 and synoptic parallels) would you do it? If not, how can you say you have faith in Him? I'm not sure I like the answer.

Good point! A few verses come to mind.

Luke 6:38 – “Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

Galatians 6:9 – “Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up.”

Hebrews 6:10 – “God is not unjust; he will not forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have helped his people and continue to help them.”

Mark 10:29-30 (KJV) And Jesus answered and said, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, But he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come eternal life.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Acts 2:38-46 Peter teaches what is required to be saved.
So all of you who accept that is how you are saved today, tell us how you are going with v 44 & 45.
***
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Correct. it only applies if one is called into that communal lifwstyle.

 

[Rockerduck]

They ran out money in the communal lifestyle. That's why at the 2nd Jerusalem council they ask the Apostle Paul to give to the poor in Gal.2:10

 

[GRACE ambassador]

It sounds to me like you may be talking about what Bonhoeffer called "cheap grace".

Precious friend, no such thing!:



IE: Infinitely Expensive, eh?

 

[markalan]

Precious friend, no such thing!:

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IE: Infinitely Expensive, eh?

Bonhoeffer called that "costly grace".
By "cheap grace" he was referring to churches that do not teach sanctification (holy living).

 

[PeterAndroz]

Bonhoeffer called that "costly grace".
By "cheap grace" he was referring to churches that do not teach sanctification (holy living).

Churches should be teaching holy living which all the Apostles taught.
Paul also teaches 'holy living' AFTER a person is saved/sealed/justified but not a condition to be
If you believe otherwise, then show the verses.
..
Here is what Christ THROUGH Paul taught is required for a believer to be justified/saved/sealed/made righteous
Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15
But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
+++
The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2
And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
++++
What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
++++
How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
++++
The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
++++
Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Taken]

Acts 2:38-46 Peter teaches what is required to be saved.
So all of you who accept that is how you are saved today, tell us how you are going with v 44 & 45.
***
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

Acts: 2
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

44:
I would say reflects the instinct, humans enjoy being with like believing others.
Like minded, like spiritual beliefs fair well together.

45:
Selling possessions, is a common occurrence among people.
Here, I would say, it reflects, instead of “giving away things one no longer wants or needs”…to another, who has no use for the items… to sell the unwanted/ unneeded items, and give a helping hand of $$ to benefit the needs, of a person encountering a down n out struggle.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Acts: 2
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.

44:
I would say reflects the instinct, humans enjoy being with like believing others.
Like minded, like spiritual beliefs fair well together.

45:
Selling possessions, is a common occurrence among people.
Here, I would say, it reflects, instead of “giving away things one no longer wants or needs”…to another, who has no use for the items… to sell the unwanted/ unneeded items, and give a helping hand of $$ to benefit the needs, of a person encountering a down n out struggle.

Glory to God,
Taken

Does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach that anyone did the same ?
If not why not ?

 

[Lambano]

Does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach that anyone did the same ?
If not why not ?

Read 2 Corinthians chapter 11 if you want to see how Paul himself lived in Corinth - living off donations from the Macedonian churches.

7 Was it a sin for me to lower myself in order to elevate you by preaching the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches by receiving support from them so as to serve you. 9 And when I was with you and needed something, I was not a burden to anyone, for the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied what I needed. I have kept myself from being a burden to you in any way, and will continue to do so. 10 As surely as the truth of Christ is in me, nobody in the regions of Achaia will stop this boasting of mine.

 

[Lambano]

This one makes me chuckle, but Paul's teaching seems to be that the reason for working is so that you can share with someone else.

 

[Taken]

Does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach that anyone did the same ?
If not why not ?

Scripturally Not aware.
Couldn’t say why.

Today, do believe individually and communal participation…garage sales, fund raisers, go fund me, etc. called by whatever name lean toward that concept.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[PeterAndroz]

Scripturally Not aware.
Couldn’t say why.

Today, do believe individually and communal participation…garage sales, fund raisers, go fund me, etc. called by whatever name lean toward that concept.

Glory to God,
Taken

Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32-35
EVERYONE sold EVERYTHING and EVERYONE was TOGETHER
Paul (Romans to Philemon) - no mention of it anywhere
Conc :- The early Acts (Prophetic) 'age' was paused after the stoning of Stephen
The mystery 'age' of Paul started & continues today.
..
This will help you to understand but you won't read or study it

Paul's "Mystery" - doctrine.org

Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the secrets of God (1 Corinthians 4.1). Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of…

doctrine.org

 

[Taken]

Acts 2:44-45, Acts 4:32-35
EVERYONE sold EVERYTHING and EVERYONE was TOGETHER
Paul (Romans to Philemon) - no mention of it anywhere
Conc :- The early Acts (Prophetic) 'age' was paused after the stoning of Stephen
The mystery 'age' of Paul started & continues today.
..
This will help you to understand but you won't read or study it

You zoned in on a specific topic of your interest…namely:

“Does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach that anyone did the same ?
If not why not ?”

I made a passing comment.
I had no interest to delve into your “interest” over and above my own interests.

You then promote, what you imply is “Saul’s / Paul’s, Mystery Commission” “as the insight to your interest”…

Saul / Paul’s meeting with the Lord, Being selected, his acceptance, his receiving of the Lords teaching, when and where, and his willingness and the reasoning for the Lord to select and appoint SAUL / PAUL…is NOT a mystery to me as you accused.

“You agreeing with the implication that “Paul was the founder of Christianity …”
I disagree.

Christ the Lord Jesus, founded / established HIS Church, WITH a covenant offering to ALL men of ALL races (Hebrew / Jewish Tribes men / Gentiles).

12 Jewish men were selected, agreed, were over a course of time, FOLLOWING Christ Jesus…being prepared for their commission, to Teach.

The meaning of the word…
Christianity—-IS applicable to “Followers of Christ teachings.”

Jesus chose 12 men. One deflected.
Others / Jews and Gentiles joined in following… BEFORE the Lord Jesus “offered” SAUL / PAUL a commission / a hard task / to hear, learn, preach, teach … TO:
Jews, Gentiles and governing kings.

No Paul was not the founder of Christianity.
Saul / Paul JOINED IN, becoming an avid, informed, skilled and faithful follower, teacher of the Word of God, introducing Jews, Gentiles, kings, TO God AND Christ the Lord Jesus.

Glory to God,
Taken