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A previously unmarried non-Christian couple marry in a Registry Office.
Later they both become Christian
Are they guilty of ongoing fornication until a Pastor marries them ?
 

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No. Here in the USA people are often married by a justice of the peace. There can be certain circumstances that cause them to use a justice of the peace. At least they are seeking to be married. My parents were married by a justice of the peace.
 

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No. Here in the USA people are often married by a justice of the peace. There can be certain circumstances that cause them to use a justice of the peace. At least they are seeking to be married. My parents were married by a justice of the peace.
Were your parents Christian at the time of marriage ?
Was GOD referenced/glorified in the marriage vows or words of the JP ?
 

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Were your parents Christian at the time of marriage ?
Was GOD referenced/glorified in the marriage vows or words of the JP ?
My mother loved the Lord. My dad was raised Catholic but didn't follow it.

My mother died two years ago at the age of 94. When she and dad married, God was always included in the marriage vows, even if it was a justice of the peace.
 
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My mother loved the Lord. My dad was raised Catholic but didn't follow it.

My mother died two years ago at the age of 94. When she and dad married, God was always included in the marriage vows, even if it was a justice of the peace.
"""""God was always included in the marriage vows
and that's what matters
 
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A previously unmarried non-Christian couple marry in a Registry Office.
Later they both become Christian
Are they guilty of ongoing fornication until a Pastor marries them ?
I would say that any marriage is valid before God if it is by consensual agreement ... whether it is in a Registry Office, a Cathedral or the mountains of New Guinea.
 

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I would say that any marriage is valid before God if it is by consensual agreement ... whether it is in a Registry Office, a Cathedral or the mountains of New Guinea.
"""""""""""I would say that any marriage is valid before God if it is by consensual agreement
What about unbelievers who self-marry without any reference to GOD ?
eg :-
Colorado - do it yourself marraige ?
No witnesses required, any location, just the 2 of you.

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I got married in a registry office , I was not a Christian. I came to faith three years into my marriage and never felt any Conviction that I was not married in Gods sight. On a human level, if my husband ever came to faith, I would have like to have some kind of ceremony in a church. This would have given my dad a chance to walk me down the aisle. Sadly he never did give his life to the Lord, had endless affairs and we divorced after 27 years. He died of cancer in 2019.
 
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"""""""""""I would say that any marriage is valid before God if it is by consensual agreement
What about unbelievers who self-marry without any reference to GOD ?
eg :-
Colorado - do it yourself marriage ?
No witnesses required, any location, just the 2 of you.

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My belief is that if a couple have consensual sex they are married in the sight of God ... which would mean an awful lot of people are living in adultery ... unless they have repented and asked forgiveness.

Fulfilling the legal requirements of the country are a different matter.
 
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Pastors don't marry people. People marry each other. A wedding ceremony is only to make it official. I married my husband in a registry office and later we both became Christians and there has never been any sign of God's displeasure with us. He isn't that sort of God.
 
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A previously unmarried non-Christian couple marry in a Registry Office.
Later they both become Christian
Are they guilty of ongoing fornication until a Pastor marries them ?
Not at all. They are married. Although Christians generally want to get married in a church setting, this is not commanded in the Bible. A couple who get married in a register office are just as much married as those who get married in a church building.
 
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Not at all. They are married. Although Christians generally want to get married in a church setting, this is not commanded in the Bible. A couple who get married in a register office are just as much married as those who get married in a church building.
Legal is not the question.
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Would GOD in His eyes recognize AS MARRIED a fornicating unbeliever couple who decide to self-marry without any witnesses as allowed in Colorado ?

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A previously unmarried non-Christian couple marry in a Registry Office.
Later they both become Christian
A pastor (or a Registry Office) doesn't join the partners. Even the partners don't join each other. God joins them.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

So any marriage that is not based in God is not a Lawful marriage.

Bringing the state/corporation into it only adds insult to injury, as the State now maintains an equity interest in your union, which is why, for example, CPS can bust into your home and take "your" children from you at gunpoint - because you brought that ungodly third party into your union via contract.

Are they guilty of ongoing fornication until a Pastor marries them ?
They are guilty of fornication both before and after they marry - a sin like any other that requires confession and repentance. Marriage does not magically remove prior sins (or their consequences).
 

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A pastor (or a Registry Office) doesn't join the partners. Even the partners don't join each other. God joins them.

What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

So any marriage that is not based in God is not a Lawful marriage.

Bringing the state/corporation into it only adds insult to injury, as the State now maintains an equity interest in your union, which is why, for example, CPS can bust into your home and take "your" children from you at gunpoint - because you brought that ungodly third party into your union via contract.


They are guilty of fornication both before and after they marry - a sin like any other that requires confession and repentance. Marriage does not magically remove prior sins (or their consequences).
""" Marriage does not magically remove prior sins (or their consequences).
That's the job of the Gospel for today
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Who did Christ select as the Apostle & Minister to the Gentiles ?
Acts 9:15

But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, ...
Rom 11:13
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles...
Rom 15:16
That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God...
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The other Apostles agreed & knew who taught who
Gal 2:2

And I went up by revelation, and communicated unto them that gospel which I preach among the Gentiles,....
Gal 2:7
But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
Gal 2:9
And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.
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What is the role of an Apostle/Minister ?
To teach THEIR audience.
BUT NOW there are NO SEPARATE audiences ALL are equal :-
Gal 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
Gal 6:15
For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
1 Cor 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Col 3:11
Where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, Barbarian, Scythian, bond nor free: but Christ is all, and in all.
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How are believers 'today' saved, sealed, justified, made righteous ?
By the SAVING Gospel that applies today.
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

1 Cor 15:1-4
1Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Eph 1:13
13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
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The PERFORMANCE conditions :-
Titus 3:

5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:

8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.
 

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Legal is not the question.
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Would GOD in His eyes recognize AS MARRIED a fornicating unbeliever couple who decide to self-marry without any witnesses as allowed in Colorado ?

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I didn't mention "self-marrying" in Colorado. I only mentioned getting married in a registry office and getting married in a church building. I don't know what God's view would be about a couple who decided to get married in Colorado with no witnesses. Such details are (as far as I know) not mentioned in the Bible. I imagine it would depend upon why the couple wanted to get married with no witnesses. Were one or both of them already married? Were the two of them close blood relatives? If so, they might have wanted to marry secretly to avoid such things being made known.
 

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Bringing the state/corporation into it only adds insult to injury, as the State now maintains an equity interest in your union, which is why, for example, CPS can bust into your home and take "your" children from you at gunpoint - because you brought that ungodly third party into your union via contract.
I think that must depend on where you live. Here in the UK, "CPS" stand for "Crown Prosecution Service", whose own website says what they exist for:

"About CPS​

The Crown Prosecution Service is an independent organisation that prosecutes criminal cases investigated by police and other bodies in England and Wales. We are independent of police and the government.
Our main responsibilities include deciding which cases to prosecute, determining charges for complex cases, advising police during investigations, presenting cases in court, and supporting victims and witnesses."

Neither the CPS nor any other agency bursts into people's homes and takes their children away at gunpoint. Sometimes, if a child is in danger from the parents, social workers may in rare cases remove that child to a place of safety, but that has nothing to do with whether or not the parents are married to each other.
 

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I didn't mention "self-marrying" in Colorado. I only mentioned getting married in a registry office and getting married in a church building. I don't know what God's view would be about a couple who decided to get married in Colorado with no witnesses. Such details are (as far as I know) not mentioned in the Bible. I imagine it would depend upon why the couple wanted to get married with no witnesses. Were one or both of them already married? Were the two of them close blood relatives? If so, they might have wanted to marry secretly to avoid such things being made known.
.......""I don't know what God's view would be about a couple who decided to get married in Colorado with no witnesses.
Me neither and I should have made that point earlier