"THE WORDS...ARE SPIRIT" version of understanding scripture.

[ScottA]

scott i see a big problem my friend . YOU wont explain , you run to this is a mystery .
NO sir . YOU NEED to explain in simple detail what it is you are conveying .
Cause every time , and i do mean every time i have come across one that spouts a mystery
and when asked to explain says ITS SPIRITUAL meat and wont explain . EVERY ONE Of them have been false .
SO scott . YOU need to explain to ronald what it is this spiritual mystery you do bring .
And believe you me scott . IT can easily be explained . So lets go ahead and start answering
ronalds questions real clear my friend .

No--that is not how this works biblically.

The Maji had only a prophecy and a star to follow. Israel had the Law and the Prophets which they should have discerned were not just for "practice." And Christians got all that, Jesus, the riddled book of Revelation, and the things foretold by the prophets that would occur and be unsealed during these times.

But you--to you I have quoted the specific verses...and the specific "mystery"--in quotes, as "the mystery of God that he declared to his servants the prophets." As you like to say: Read your Bible--and "tell that fox" to do the same--if you understand my meaning!

 

[ScottA]

1Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
1Cor 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
1Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
1Cor 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
1Cor 13:13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

There will be a lot of surprises waiting for all of us.

Indeed, but as God has said, "before they spring forth I tell you of them"--a good portion is foretold to first be made manifest, "For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known." Hold onto your hat!

 

[Lizbeth]

Nice non answer. If your higher spiritual meaning contradicts another's higher spiritual meaning are you right or wrong? How does one determine, what basis do you declare someone else's "higher spiritual meaning" right or wrong?

afoolish example. You are given a higher spiritual meaning that pre marital sex is okay. Another is given a higher spiritual meaning that it is wrong. Who i s right and why?

It does seem to me that Scott has already answered your question. Spiritual discernment.....testing by the Holy Spirit.

The example you gave is not about higher things, but is foundational/elementary....Christianity 101, although there may be a bit deeper lesson embedded even in that, since fornication can be a picture of spiritual harlotry.

Beyond those elementary things, the need for black and white certainty belongs to the carnal man, because he likes to be in control and feel comfortable. But we are to launch out into the deep as the Lord leads, not knowing whither we are going, trusting in God, not in our selves. I think of the river in Ezekiel 47.......how deep/high will the Lord lead us?

 

[Lizbeth]

I almost didn’t see the contradiction there.


His answer, like the premise of the thread, is circular.
1. Words are spiritual.
2. How do you know
3. See P1.

After being resurrected, Jesus didn’t grill spiritual fish for his friends on the beach at Galilee.

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

Agh huh. What they mean is different what they are and their primary purpose. Literal, physical, fleshy, carnal fish given to nourish Christian’s bodies.

 

[ScottA]

Agh huh. What they mean is different what they are and their primary purpose. Literal, physical, fleshy, carnal fish given to nourish Christian’s bodies.

After Jesus chose fisherman to be his apostles, made them fishers of men, told them how to fish, multiplied the fishes and loaves, and taught that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood--that's your take away?

 

[amigo de christo]

No--that is not how this works biblically.

The Maji had only a prophecy and a star to follow. Israel had the Law and the Prophets which they should have discerned were not just for "practice." And Christians got all that, Jesus, the riddled book of Revelation, and the things foretold by the prophets that would occur and be unsealed during these times.

But you--to you I have quoted the specific verses...and the specific "mystery"--in quotes, as "the mystery of God that he declared to his servants the prophets." As you like to say: Read your Bible--and "tell that fox" to do the same--if you understand my meaning!

Oh i know he does need to read that bible for sure and for certain . Cause i seen indoctrination of men upon him .

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

Oh it do indeed dear sister .
I also had a dream many many moons ago .
In the dream i was walking out unto a pier that led unto the ocean .
I had a fishing rod and another man was out there with his pole in the sea .
A man in a robe whose face i could not see was at the end of that pier fishing .
SO i cast my line into the sea and began reeling it in and his line crossed over into my line
and when it did i caught a fish .
As i reeled it in and took it up i noticed Two hooks were in that fishes mouth .
I had not caught that fish on my own . The Great Fisher of the sea , it was He who had caught the fish
and i was but a co helper to bringing it in .
I shall make you FISHERS of men . To the trenches dear sister for the hour grows only later by the day and by the hour .
The time cometh wherein the harvest shall be reaped and THE wrath of GOD by JESUS CHRIST laid down upon all
who did deny Him . Laboring in the fields till the harvest be ripe .

 

[ScottA]

We are the real fish, only "literal" when we are born of the spirit of God and our name written (lit') in the Lamb's book of life, until then only a mere "image."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It does seem to me that Scott has already answered your question. Spiritual discernment.....testing by the Holy Spirit.

The example you gave is not about higher things, but is foundational/elementary....Christianity 101, although there may be a bit deeper lesson embedded even in that, since fornication can be a picture of spiritual harlotry.

Beyond those elementary things, the need for black and white certainty belongs to the carnal man, because he likes to be in control and feel comfortable. But we are to launch out into the deep as the Lord leads, not knowing whither we are going, trusting in God, not in our selves. I think of the river in Ezekiel 47.......how deep/high will the Lord lead us?

i AM ALL FOR THAT. but Scott OPENLY HAS SAID WE NEED TO LOOK PAST THE WORDS OF scripture AND I CANNOT APOLOGIZE WHEN i SAY, ANY "HIGHER SPIRITUAL MEANING" THAT CONTRADICTS THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IS DEMONIC.

aND NO , THE NEED FOR BLACK AND WHITE CERTAINTY IS VERY MUCH IN NEED FOR THE SPIRITUAL MAN. If I know not that I am saved, how can I focus on the Lord and not my wretched state?

NO the Word of God gives us certainty and black and white. Even you believe that, unless you believe you can do anything you wish and it not be sin. So that would mean that you can be involved in a drunken drug laden orgy andto you it would not be sin, because there is no more black and white- for that is just for the carnal man.

Sorry, but Jesus words-[ not some secret "higher spiritual meanig" are spirit and life as Jesus Himself said.

 

[ScottA]

but Scott OPENLY HAS SAID WE NEED TO LOOK PAST THE WORDS OF

That is not correct--not "we", but just those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Which is a gift from God.

To the contrary, all that is required of everyone, is belief, which is faith in action. "We" only need to "look past" the written words if "we" are going to make claims "past the words"...of which we are then held accountable and will answer for, if we have taken liberties in error. Which, indeed, goes on a lot here--so I understand your grievance.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That is not correct--not "we", but just those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Which is a gift from God.

To the contrary, all that is required of everyone, is belief, which is faith in action. "We" only need to "look past" the written words if "we" are going to make claims "past the words"...of which we are then held accountable and will answer for, if we have taken liberties in error. Which, indeed, goes on a lot here--so I understand your grievance.

Yes you will answer for any and all of your lookiing past the words and conclude things contradictory to the Word.

All of your reasonings are the exact same reasonings that Jospeh Smith, charles Russell, JOm JOnes, MB Eddy, Helen White, Jom JOnes and David Koresh all said to justify going againt the Word of god.

You seem to be in some rather dubious company!

God still speaks and god teafhes us great lessons from the OT< the Gospels and Acts. Those are called by those you denigrate as personal applications.

I spent six months teaching the book of Jonah and the lessons we can learn from Jonah and his experience with God. It did not involve a micron of "higher spiritual meaning!

 

[ScottA]

Yes you will answer for any and all of your lookiing past the words and conclude things contradictory to the Word.

All of your reasonings are the exact same reasonings that Jospeh Smith, charles Russell, JOm JOnes, MB Eddy, Helen White, Jom JOnes and David Koresh all said to justify going againt the Word of god.

You seem to be in some rather dubious company!

God still speaks and god teafhes us great lessons from the OT< the Gospels and Acts. Those are called by those you denigrate as personal applications.

I spent six months teaching the book of Jonah and the lessons we can learn from Jonah and his experience with God. It did not involve a micron of "higher spiritual meaning!

Well, now you're just lying (again).

I have not concluded "things contradictory to the Word"--but only contradictory to your understanding of it. God knows.

As for your false witness (again and again)--this you will indeed answer for.

As for your teaching, as it is written, "by that same measure you use, it will be measured back to you."

 

[Gray_Joy]

That is not correct--not "we", but just those who have eyes to see and ears to hear. Which is a gift from God.

To the contrary, all that is required of everyone, is belief, which is faith in action. "We" only need to "look past" the written words if "we" are going to make claims "past the words"...of which we are then helaccountable and will answer for, if we have taken liberties in error. Which, indeed, goes on a lot here--so I understand your grievance.

I think something to consider in matters of belief is,there are those who presume they believe.
And then as God tells us there are those whom he calls into his grace and enables with understanding of his word. Matthew 13

Jesus shared of this when certain ones of his followers left him.
He tells us they went out from him because they were not one with him. That's my wording. Not what is found in 1John 2:19.

 

[ScottA]

I think something to consider in matters of belief is,there are those who presume they believe.
And then as God tells us there are those whom he calls into his grace and enables with understanding of his word. Matthew 13

Jesus shared of this when certain ones of his followers left him.
He tells us they went out from him because they were not one with him. That's my wording. Not what is found in 1John 2:19.

Yes, and it is a shame that there are so many that latch on to what is really just their own idea of what is actually true, not following Jesus so much, but rather their own directives or something they read or heard that tickled their ears to their own liking. Yes, only presuming.

 

[Lizbeth]

i AM ALL FOR THAT. but Scott OPENLY HAS SAID WE NEED TO LOOK PAST THE WORDS OF scripture AND I CANNOT APOLOGIZE WHEN i SAY, ANY "HIGHER SPIRITUAL MEANING" THAT CONTRADICTS THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IS DEMONIC.

aND NO , THE NEED FOR BLACK AND WHITE CERTAINTY IS VERY MUCH IN NEED FOR THE SPIRITUAL MAN. If I know not that I am saved, how can I focus on the Lord and not my wretched state?

NO the Word of God gives us certainty and black and white. Even you believe that, unless you believe you can do anything you wish and it not be sin. So that would mean that you can be involved in a drunken drug laden orgy andto you it would not be sin, because there is no more black and white- for that is just for the carnal man.

Sorry, but Jesus words-[ not some secret "higher spiritual meanig" are spirit and life as Jesus Himself said.

Look past the superficial meaning. Like when Jesus was talking about leaven, was He really talking about bread? He admonished the disciples for taking Him too literally.

As for certainty........even Paul had these things to say:

Phl 3:11-12

if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.


1 Cor 4:4-5

yea, I judge not mine own self.

For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

 

[Lizbeth]

I spent six months teaching the book of Jonah and the lessons we can learn from Jonah and his experience with God. It did not involve a micron of "higher spiritual meaning!

Well then you have probably missed feeding on some richer fare than just what is on the surface. Last I read we need the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.....because truth IS spiritual.

 

[ScottA]

Look past the superficial meaning. Like when Jesus was talking about leaven, was He really talking about bread? He admonished the disciples for taking Him too literally.

As for certainty........even Paul had these things to say:

Phl 3:11-12

if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.


1 Cor 4:4-5

yea, I judge not mine own self.

For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Well then you have probably missed feeding on some richer fare than just what is on the surface. Last I read we need the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.....because truth IS spiritual.

Yes, it's all there in the scriptures, and those who as much as swear it isn't--we have heard of them before. They are written of too. They are those who hinder those who would otherwise enter into the spirit of God. They quench the Spirit that was sent to them by Christ--for they are not for but against. We can pray for them, but God has also seen their kind before, and even they have their purpose before him. Which are now again sent for these times--worse than ever before--for some even unforgivable, as these are the times of the Holy Spirit among us wheeling a sword.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Look past the superficial meaning. Like when Jesus was talking about leaven, was He really talking about bread? He admonished the disciples for taking Him too literally.

As for certainty........even Paul had these things to say:

Phl 3:11-12

if by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.

Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after, if that I may apprehend that for which also I am apprehended of Christ Jesus.

We all know He wasn't talking about yeast! that is not what Scott A. is talking about. I think you know that.

1 Cor 4:4-5

yea, I judge not mine own self.

For I know nothing by myself; yet am I not hereby justified: but he that judgeth me is the Lord.

Therefore judge nothing before the time, until the Lord come, who both will bring to light the hidden things of darkness, and will make manifest the counsels of the hearts: and then shall every man have praise of God.

Yes we all know this. There is no secret "higher meaning" in these words.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Well then you have probably missed feeding on some richer fare than just what is on the surface. Last I read we need the Holy Spirit to lead us into all truth.....because truth IS spiritual.

Yes and so aren't lies. When you get into these "higher meanings" and they veer from the written word- you are merewly being decieved like CCharles Russel, Joseph Smith and others who got "higher spiritual meanings" and called them from god!

Once again I know that we can glean many personal applications from much of the OT, gospels and acts. These are not "higher spiritual meanings" as Scott A promotes, but merely applying facts from the past to our lives.