"THE WORDS...ARE SPIRIT" version of understanding scripture.

[ScottA]

scott i see a big problem my friend . YOU wont explain , you run to this is a mystery .
NO sir . YOU NEED to explain in simple detail what it is you are conveying .
Cause every time , and i do mean every time i have come across one that spouts a mystery
and when asked to explain says ITS SPIRITUAL meat and wont explain . EVERY ONE Of them have been false .
SO scott . YOU need to explain to ronald what it is this spiritual mystery you do bring .
And believe you me scott . IT can easily be explained . So lets go ahead and start answering
ronalds questions real clear my friend .

No--that is not how this works biblically.

The Maji had only a prophecy and a star to follow. Israel had the Law and the Prophets which they should have discerned were not just for "practice." And Christians got all that, Jesus, the riddled book of Revelation, and the things foretold by the prophets that would occur and be unsealed during these times.

But you--to you I have quoted the specific verses...and the specific "mystery"--in quotes, as "the mystery of God that he declared to his servants the prophets." As you like to say: Read your Bible--and "tell that fox" to do the same--if you understand my meaning!

 

[ScottA]

1Cor 13:9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part,
1Cor 13:10 but when the perfect comes, the partial will pass away.
1Cor 13:11 When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I gave up childish ways.
1Cor 13:12 For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I have been fully known.
1Cor 13:13 So now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; but the greatest of these is love.

There will be a lot of surprises waiting for all of us.

Indeed, but as God has said, "before they spring forth I tell you of them"--a good portion is foretold to first be made manifest, "For there is nothing covered that will not be revealed, or hidden that will not be known." Hold onto your hat!

 

[Lizbeth]

Nice non answer. If your higher spiritual meaning contradicts another's higher spiritual meaning are you right or wrong? How does one determine, what basis do you declare someone else's "higher spiritual meaning" right or wrong?

afoolish example. You are given a higher spiritual meaning that pre marital sex is okay. Another is given a higher spiritual meaning that it is wrong. Who i s right and why?

It does seem to me that Scott has already answered your question. Spiritual discernment.....testing by the Holy Spirit.

The example you gave is not about higher things, but is foundational/elementary....Christianity 101, although there may be a bit deeper lesson embedded even in that, since fornication can be a picture of spiritual harlotry.

Beyond those elementary things, the need for black and white certainty belongs to the carnal man, because he likes to be in control and feel comfortable. But we are to launch out into the deep as the Lord leads, not knowing whither we are going, trusting in God, not in our selves. I think of the river in Ezekiel 47.......how deep/high will the Lord lead us?

 

[Lizbeth]

I almost didn’t see the contradiction there.


His answer, like the premise of the thread, is circular.
1. Words are spiritual.
2. How do you know
3. See P1.

After being resurrected, Jesus didn’t grill spiritual fish for his friends on the beach at Galilee.

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

 

[Wrangler]

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

Agh huh. What they mean is different what they are and their primary purpose. Literal, physical, fleshy, carnal fish given to nourish Christian’s bodies.

 

[ScottA]

Agh huh. What they mean is different what they are and their primary purpose. Literal, physical, fleshy, carnal fish given to nourish Christian’s bodies.

After Jesus chose fisherman to be his apostles, made them fishers of men, told them how to fish, multiplied the fishes and loaves, and taught that we must eat his flesh and drink his blood--that's your take away?

 

[amigo de christo]

No--that is not how this works biblically.

The Maji had only a prophecy and a star to follow. Israel had the Law and the Prophets which they should have discerned were not just for "practice." And Christians got all that, Jesus, the riddled book of Revelation, and the things foretold by the prophets that would occur and be unsealed during these times.

But you--to you I have quoted the specific verses...and the specific "mystery"--in quotes, as "the mystery of God that he declared to his servants the prophets." As you like to say: Read your Bible--and "tell that fox" to do the same--if you understand my meaning!

Oh i know he does need to read that bible for sure and for certain . Cause i seen indoctrination of men upon him .

 

[amigo de christo]

Oh but those fish do have meaning beyond just being food for the body.

Oh it do indeed dear sister .
I also had a dream many many moons ago .
In the dream i was walking out unto a pier that led unto the ocean .
I had a fishing rod and another man was out there with his pole in the sea .
A man in a robe whose face i could not see was at the end of that pier fishing .
SO i cast my line into the sea and began reeling it in and his line crossed over into my line
and when it did i caught a fish .
As i reeled it in and took it up i noticed Two hooks were in that fishes mouth .
I had not caught that fish on my own . The Great Fisher of the sea , it was He who had caught the fish
and i was but a co helper to bringing it in .
I shall make you FISHERS of men . To the trenches dear sister for the hour grows only later by the day and by the hour .
The time cometh wherein the harvest shall be reaped and THE wrath of GOD by JESUS CHRIST laid down upon all
who did deny Him . Laboring in the fields till the harvest be ripe .

 

[ScottA]

We are the real fish, only "literal" when we are born of the spirit of God and our name written (lit') in the Lamb's book of life, until then only a mere "image."

 

[Ronald Nolette]

It does seem to me that Scott has already answered your question. Spiritual discernment.....testing by the Holy Spirit.

The example you gave is not about higher things, but is foundational/elementary....Christianity 101, although there may be a bit deeper lesson embedded even in that, since fornication can be a picture of spiritual harlotry.

Beyond those elementary things, the need for black and white certainty belongs to the carnal man, because he likes to be in control and feel comfortable. But we are to launch out into the deep as the Lord leads, not knowing whither we are going, trusting in God, not in our selves. I think of the river in Ezekiel 47.......how deep/high will the Lord lead us?

i AM ALL FOR THAT. but Scott OPENLY HAS SAID WE NEED TO LOOK PAST THE WORDS OF scripture AND I CANNOT APOLOGIZE WHEN i SAY, ANY "HIGHER SPIRITUAL MEANING" THAT CONTRADICTS THE WRITTEN WORD OF GOD IS DEMONIC.

aND NO , THE NEED FOR BLACK AND WHITE CERTAINTY IS VERY MUCH IN NEED FOR THE SPIRITUAL MAN. If I know not that I am saved, how can I focus on the Lord and not my wretched state?

NO the Word of God gives us certainty and black and white. Even you believe that, unless you believe you can do anything you wish and it not be sin. So that would mean that you can be involved in a drunken drug laden orgy andto you it would not be sin, because there is no more black and white- for that is just for the carnal man.

Sorry, but Jesus words-[ not some secret "higher spiritual meanig" are spirit and life as Jesus Himself said.