Many Say ‘Just Believe’… But What Did Jesus Actually Teach?

[faithhopecharity]

Eternal life

eternal = forever
Life = living, born again, undead, ressurected.


The catholic church destroyed the meaning of the word and made a mockery of it.

Good luck on your conditional life my friend. I hope it works out for you

1 Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

1 John 3:15
Whosoever hateth his brother is amurderer: and ye know that no murderer hath eternal life abiding in him.

how did he lose it?

you will never inherit the kingdom of God or attain to eternal salvation if you fulfill lust of the flesh even if you think your saved by faith alone!

mt 25:30
Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27

rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Eternal life

eternal = forever
Life = living, born again, undead, ressurected.


The catholic church destroyed the meaning of the word and made a mockery of it.

Good luck on your conditional life my friend. I hope it works out for you

Conditional perseverance

ex 20 mt 19:17 1 tim 6:14 keep the commandments
deut 6:5 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God within all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
ez 36:25-27 ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Mk 13:13 mt 10:22 endure to the end
Matt 7:14 narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life
Matt 16:24 If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Matt 24:13 endure to the end
Jn 3:16 continues in believing
Jn 15:4 abide in christ
Jn 15:5 apart from me you can do nothing
Jn 15:10 keep my commandments
Rom 1:5 obedience
Rom 8:13-17 but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
Rom 11:22 if thou continue in his goodness:
1 cor 7:24 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
1 cor 13:13 (3) three things are eternal; faith, hope and charity and the greatest is charity.
2 thes 1:4 faith & patience
heb 6:12 faith and patience inherit the promises.
Gal 5:2-4 fallen
Gal 5:25 if we live in the spirit
Col 1:21-23 If ye continue in the faith
Col 2:5 steadfast
2 Tim 2:3 endure hardship
2 Tim 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
1 pet 2:20 if we suffer patiently
1 Jn 2:24-28 grace must abide in us
1 Jn 3:6 abideth in Him (Christ)
Heb 3:4-6 if we hold fast
Heb 6:4-9 if they fall away
Heb 12:7 if ye endure
Heb 12:22-25 if we turn away
James 1:12 endureth

1 John 2:6
He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.


1 Timothy 5:12
Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.

mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13
He who endures to the end shall be saved.

rev 2:10 Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.

Perseverance is conditional and requires our participation and faithfulness!

I suppose since you have eternal security by faith alone you can ignore scripture?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

No

Grace and works do not mix. Water baptism is a work.

I am done.. You keep on boasting and pumping your chest like a pharisee.. I will go on praising the God who saved me

what bible do you read?

one verse and your undone!

2 Corinthians 12:9
And he said unto me, My grace issufficient for thee: for my strength ismade perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

one more that says your not saved!

mt 10:22 he who endures to the end shall be saved!

death and judgment then eternal salvation!

no pride just truth against the errors and novelties of the great 16th century revolt!

your pet doctrines are more important than scripture!

Amen!

 

[mailmandan]

nice dodge, not the car

Oh, the irony.

 

[Davy]

We are not saved by works, but by Faith. However, having that Faith in the beginning is like entering a race. What makes you finish the race? Staying in Christ, and doing works for Him as His servants. The belief just to enter admission into the symbolic race just gives you the Promise of Salvation by Faith. You have to 'stay' in the race to win it.

 

[mailmandan]

We are not saved by works, but by Faith. However, having that Faith in the beginning is like entering a race. What makes you finish the race? Staying in Christ, and doing works for Him as His servants. The belief just to enter admission into the symbolic race just gives you the Promise of Salvation by Faith. You have to 'stay' in the race to win it.

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

 

[KUWN]

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

How many bad works can you do before you are no longer saved?

 

[mailmandan]

How many bad works can you do before you are no longer saved?

You tell me. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

 

[faithhopecharity]

what is the wage of sin?

what is the gift of God?

Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect uman, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Romans 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Jn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Those that cause divisions and offences, contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned. In this is the subversion of the Church, the being in divisions. This is the devil’s weapon, this turneth all things upside-down. For so long as the body is joined into one, he has no power to get an entrance, but it is from division that the offence cometh. And whence is division? From opinions contrary to the teaching of the Apostles.
St. John Chrysostom

All Christians are to be of one mind, one heart, one spirit:

Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

thks

 

[Davy]

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

No, that's definitely the wrong way to look at it, because a non-believer without Faith can have more works in Christ than all those of Faith put together, and it won't be enough to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. One must... have FAITH, regardless of works.

However, what did Jesus say about treasure and one's heart? Wherever your treasure is, that is where your heart will be. And that means if you truly have Faith, then you will naturally have works to go along with that Faith. Likewise with the race analogy, you don't just claim to be a race-car driver with only filling out a race application form; you actually participate in the race.

Those against this understanding usually point to man's false Hyper-Grace Dispensationalist philosophy. That system by men is deception, because it promotes the idea that once one believes on Lord Jesus Christ, they have never have sin again, and never fall away. But their falling away and continuing in sin is exactly... what that Hyper-Grace system promotes! They don't watch theirselves for sin, and don't repent of sin, because they are told they cannot sin anymore because of their Faith on Jesus Christ. In that sense, that false doctrine is saying that doing iniquity doesn't really matter, because Jesus has already covered that.

And that is exactly the example Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 7 about those who will say, "Lord, Lord" on the day of His future coming, and He will tell them, "... I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt.7:23)

 

[faithhopecharity]

Tell Mary we said Hello... @faithhopecharity

And no, water baptism is not required for Salvation...........as that is just one more LIE that the Mary Cult Teaches.
And here you are on a CHRISTian forum... trying to sell that Mary-Cult Catholic deception. @faithhopecharity
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Ephesians 4:13
Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect uman, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Romans 12:5
So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

Jn 17:11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.

Those that cause divisions and offences, contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned. In this is the subversion of the Church, the being in divisions. This is the devil’s weapon, this turneth all things upside-down. For so long as the body is joined into one, he has no power to get an entrance, but it is from division that the offence cometh. And whence is division? From opinions contrary to the teaching of the Apostles.
St. John Chrysostom

All Christians are to be of one mind, one heart, one spirit:

Acts 2:46
Romans 12:16
Romans 15:6
2 cor 13:11
Eph 4:1
Phil 1:27
Phil 2:2
1 Peter 3:8

Philippians 1:27
Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;

thks

 

[Davy]

How many bad works can you do before you are no longer saved?

Even after Christ's future return, still got His "thousand years" Millennial reign to go. Those brethren who erred will simply not be allowed to approach Him in that time and serve Him at His table. It does not mean they are cast into the "lake of fire" yet, but that they will stand in judgment throughout that whole 1,000 years period.

So what do we want? To be able to sit at the marriage supper with Jesus, and serve Him, or cast to the "outer darkness" with the wicked for the whole 1,000 years, and only at the end of it be forgiven?

 

[mailmandan]

No, that's definitely the wrong way to look at it, because a non-believer without Faith can have more works in Christ than all those of Faith put together, and it won't be enough to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. One must... have FAITH, regardless of works.

FAITH certainly is the root of salvation and works are the fruit. In regard to non-believers and works, in Matthew 7:17, Jesus said - Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them. A non-believer will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven no matter how many works that they conjure up from an unregenerate heart in their efforts to receive salvation by works, as these many people in Matthew 7:22-23 will find out the hard way.

However, what did Jesus say about treasure and one's heart? Wherever your treasure is, that is where your heart will be. And that means if you truly have Faith, then you will naturally have works to go along with that Faith. Likewise with the race analogy, you don't just claim to be a race-car driver with only filling out a race application form; you actually participate in the race.

True and there are genuine Christians (genuine believers) who are actually in the race and there are "nominal" Christians (make believers) who are in a make-believe race. Now those who are actually in the race, just like in the Olympic games, some will finish the race with a gold medal, some with a silver medal, some with a bronze medal and some will finish with no medal.

Those against this understanding usually point to man's false Hyper-Grace Dispensationalist philosophy. That system by men is deception, because it promotes the idea that once one believes on Lord Jesus Christ, they have never have sin again and never fall away. But their falling away and continuing in sin is exactly... what that Hyper-Grace system promotes! They don't watch theirselves for sin, and don't repent of sin, because they are told they cannot sin anymore because of their Faith on Jesus Christ. In that sense, that false doctrine is saying that doing iniquity doesn't really matter, because Jesus has already covered that.

Sinless perfection is a false doctrine (1 John 1:8-10) and so is a license to sin/license for immorality. (Jude 1:4) In regard to falling away, Psalms 37:28 - For a righteous man may fall seven times and rise again, But the wicked shall fall by calamity.

And that is exactly the example Lord Jesus gave in Matthew 7 about those who will say, "Lord, Lord" on the day of His future coming, and He will tell them, "... I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity." (Matt.7:23)

In context, Jesus is addressing false prophets/bad trees that bear bad fruit. Jesus never knew them (vs. 23) which means they were never saved. Not they were once saved but fell away and are no longer saved.

 

[Eternally Grateful]

I think in both his Old and New teachings that God tells us,he doesn't intend that everyone be in his grace.

I think he may KNOW that everyone will not recieve him in faith. But he does not wish it.

 

[KUWN]

You tell me. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Let me remind you of your post above. You wrote:

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

Then, right above this post you say:

salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Are we saved by works (see highlighted section of ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

So, I am confused. Once you say it is by works, and other times you say it is not of works. Please clarify.

 

[mailmandan]

Let me remind you of your post above. You wrote:

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

Then, right above this post you say:

salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

Are we saved by works (see highlighted section of ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

So, I am confused. Once you say it is by works, and other times you say it is not of works. Please clarify.

I was asking Davy a question (So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?) because it sounded like that's what he was implying. I was not implying I believed that.

 

[faithhopecharity]

How many bad works can you do before you are no longer saved?

one deadly sin! if you die in that state unrepentant!

Eph 5:2-6
gal 5:1-4
gal 5:19-21
gal 6:7-8
1 cor 6:9-10 & 15-20
2 cor 4:7
1 tim 5:12
rev 21:8
rev 21:27
can lose grace gal 5:4
can have grace in vain 1 cor 15:10
treasure in earthen vessels 2 cor 4:7
1 Jn 3:15 no life (grace)

We have union by grace not eternal salvation!

Gal 5:4 fallen from grace

why does it say fallen from grace and not fallel from salvation?

rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus.

do you believe this?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

You tell me. From beginning "have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith—the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. (Ephesians 2:8,9)

John the baptist or John the faith alone prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant

began in baptism not faith alone!

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

So, we are initially saved by faith at the starting line of the race but ultimately saved by works at the finish line?

we are justified not saved until death and judgment

justified freely by grace which provides union with God and His saints in the new covenant

then we must participate in sanctification and perseverance

thks

why is the virtue of patience so often presented in scripture for us?

Hebrews 6:12
That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done they will of God, ye might receive the promise.

James 1:3
Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.

James 1:4
But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

2 Peter 1:6
And to knowledge temperance; and to temperance patience; and to patience godliness;

Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. (rev 12:17)

thks

 

[mailmandan]

John the baptist or John the faith alone prepared the way for Christ and the new covenant

began in baptism not faith alone!

thks

John the Baptist preached "repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand!" (Matthew 3:2) When we repent we change our mind and the new direction of this change of mind is believe him/believe the gospel/faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

In Matthew 21:32, we read - For John came to you to show you the way of righteousness, and you did not believe him, but the tax collectors and the prostitutes did. And even after you saw this, you did not repent and believe him.

Mark 1:15 - The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe the gospel.

Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.

Salvation is through faith in Jesus Christ alone (which means we are trusting in Jesus Christ alone for salvation) and not through water baptism. Salvation is signified yet not procured in water baptism. You need to stop trying to turn a symbol into a Savior.