First and Second coming?

[MatthewG]

The First Coming

The first coming of Jesus was when Yahavah sent His Word into the world:

• The Word was with God and was God
• The Word was made flesh
• This happened when Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit


That’s the incarnation — the moment the Word of Yahavah entered human history in bodily form.

This is the first coming, the one everyone agrees on.

The Second Coming

Because the first coming was the incarnation, there is only one other coming Scripture speaks of — the second.

And the second coming is always described as:

• For that generation
• Seen by those watching and waiting
• A coming in judgment and kingdom
• A coming tied to the end of the Old Covenant age, not the end of the physical world


This is exactly why Hebrews says:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…”
— Hebrews 9:28

Not to the whole world.
Not to every nation.
Not to people thousands of years later.

To those waiting.

 

[rockytopva]

From First Coming According to AI... In Christian theology, the first coming of Christ refers to His incarnation, earthly ministry, death, and resurrection. It began with His miraculous birth to the Virgin Mary in Bethlehem and culminated in His ascension into heaven, fulfilling ancient biblical prophecies to save humanity from sin. The first coming encompasses several specific stages and events:

The Incarnation & Birth: Jesus, the Son of God, took on human form. He was born in Bethlehem in Judea, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies (such as Micah 5:2 and Isaiah 7:14).
Earthly Ministry: Jesus lived a sinless life and traveled throughout Israel teaching, performing miracles, and presenting the message of the kingdom of God.
The Passion, Death & Resurrection: He was crucified on the cross as an ultimate sacrifice for humanity's sins, was buried in a tomb, and resurrected from the dead three days later.
The Ascension: Forty days after His resurrection, Jesus visibly ascended into heaven, marking the end of His first bodily presence on earth.

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[rockytopva]

The First Coming - Christmas Morning
The Second Coming - Who knows? - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. - Mark 13:32

 

[rockytopva]

The First Coming

The first coming of Jesus was when Yahavah sent His Word into the world:

• The Word was with God and was God
• The Word was made flesh
• This happened when Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit


That’s the incarnation — the moment the Word of Yahavah entered human history in bodily form.

This is the first coming, the one everyone agrees on.

The Second Coming

Because the first coming was the incarnation, there is only one other coming Scripture speaks of — the second.

And the second coming is always described as:

• For that generation
• Seen by those watching and waiting
• A coming in judgment and kingdom
• A coming tied to the end of the Old Covenant age, not the end of the physical world


This is exactly why Hebrews says:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…”
— Hebrews 9:28

Not to the whole world.
Not to every nation.
Not to people thousands of years later.

To those waiting.

I believe this is nothing but pure arrogance.

 

[MatthewG]

Thank you for sharing what you believe, Rocktopva. Sorry we have such an contention between us, however there is no reason to be rude. I read your latest thread and think the chemist guy was right. All I am doing is sharing what the bible states about it.

How is that arrogant?
Are you going by feeling, or is that the holy spirit telling you those things?
Is God telling you to say these things? Just curious questions.

When I read the Gospels, I see that the Old Testament foretold that a Messiah was coming (Isaiah 7:14; Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2). That Messiah came, born of Mary who was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit (Luke 1:35), and the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14). That same Jesus also claimed that He would come again (John 14:3; Matthew 16:27–28).

 

[Davy]

This is exactly why Hebrews says:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…”
— Hebrews 9:28

Why are you trying to deceive the brethren here? That is NOT what that Hebrews 9:28 verse says. Here is what my Bible actually says there (KJV)...

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
KJV

Anyone who can understand English knows the above is in the FUTURE TENSE.

 

[MatthewG]

Hey thanks for chiming in. It’s whatever you wanna believe I’m done fighting people now it’s only shared information.

 

[jeffweeder]

The First Coming

The first coming of Jesus was when Yahavah sent His Word into the world:

• The Word was with God and was God
• The Word was made flesh
• This happened when Mary was overshadowed by the Holy Spirit


That’s the incarnation — the moment the Word of Yahavah entered human history in bodily form.

This is the first coming, the one everyone agrees on.

Agree.
He became incarnate to save us from our sins consequence.
He succeeded.

HE has since saved, and continues to save countless souls before he comes a second time in Eternal judgment.


Matt 25
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.....

 

[MatthewG]

Thanks for chiming in your view.

While I still maintain Jesus came and got the bride of Christ.

All people die and are judged then and there, at death and are resurrected.

At least that is what I believe. We all gonna have a visit with God and or meet with Jesus.

 

[jeffweeder]

Thanks for chiming in your view.

While I still maintain Jesus came and got the bride of Christ.

All people die and are judged then and there, at death and are resurrected.

At least that is what I believe. We all gonna have a visit with God and or meet with Jesus.

Thanks.
Paul seems to put the resurrection event in the future when he comes a second time to glorify his own whether we are alive or dead at the time.

 

[MatthewG]

Thanks for sharing I believe everything is immediate.

we die, judged and given our resurrected bodies.

Which to me are spiritual.

People can disagree or whatever I’m not gonna fight just sharing.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

This is exactly why Hebrews says:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…”
— Hebrews 9:28

Please do not misquote holy scripture. There are no English Bible translations which translate the verse that way.

Hebrews 9:28 (NKJV) so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

This says to those who eagerly wait for Him He WILL APPEAR a second time some time in the future from when that verse was written. It does NOT say He "appeared" a second time. It says He "will appear" a second time. We can debate at what point in the future that verse was or will be fulfilled AFTER it was written, but you should not misquote it the way you did to make it seem as if the verse said that He had already appeared a second time to people when that verse was written.

 

[MatthewG]

I understand. That was an AI slip‑up — it happens. People get really upset when Scripture is quoted inaccurately, and rightly so, because “every word of God is pure” (Proverbs 30:5). We have to handle it carefully.

But yes, I do believe He appeared to the people who were actually waiting for Him, just as the text says. Hebrews 9:28 makes that distinction clear: “To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time.” Most people today don’t hold that view, but the original audience of Hebrews was Jewish, not Gentile (Hebrews 1:1). And in that first‑century context, both Jews and Gentiles together made up the bride of Christ (Ephesians 2:14–16; Galatians 3:28). They were under the authority of the apostles until the great and dreadful day of the LORD, which the prophets warned about (Malachi 4:5; Acts 2:19–20).

None of that stops anyone today from having a real relationship with God. Scripture is clear that “He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him” (Hebrews 11:6). The historical fulfillment of prophecy doesn’t cancel present‑day faith, prayer, repentance, or transformation. God still draws near to those who draw near to Him (James 4:8), and nothing about first‑century prophecy changes that.

 

[shepherdsword]

This is exactly why Hebrews says:

“To those who were eagerly waiting for Him, He appeared a second time…”
— Hebrews 9:28

Not to the whole world.
Not to every nation.
Not to people thousands of years later.

To those waiting.

No, it doesn't say He appeared. It says He will appear, as in FUTURE tense:



Here are some good scriptures to consider concerning the second coming:

He will return in the same way He was taken up. He was seen taken up by eyewitnesses

Ac 1:9-11 Now when He had spoken these things, while they watched, He was taken up, and a cloud received Him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked steadfastly toward heaven as He went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel, 11 who also said, "Men of Galilee, why do you stand gazing up into heaven? This same Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will so come in like manner as you saw Him go into heaven."

He will physically descend from heaven and resurrect all of the dead in Christ

1 Th 4:16-18
For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 18 Therefore comfort one another with these words.

We will all be transformed at the second coming. These all are things that MUST take place at the second coming:

1 Co 15:51-53
Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed — in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

Php 3:20-21
For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.

1 Jn 3:2-3
Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is.

Every eye will see His return

Rv 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Blessings!

 

[Davy]

Hey thanks for chiming in. It’s whatever you wanna believe I’m done fighting people now it’s only shared information.

Well, until you learn to pay attention in reading God's written Word, you have no business trying to teach it.

 

[Anchorite]

If Jesus already came back in the first century and gathered up the bride of Christ, what do we call all the Christians from the second century until today? Are we not included in the bride of Christ?

Got Questions states:

What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”? | GotQuestions.org

What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”? The generation that Jesus was speaking to did pass, and the events have not yet occurred.

www.gotquestions.org

Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” The things that Jesus had been speaking of—the rise of the Antichrist, the desolation of the Holy Place, and the darkening of the sun—did not happen during the lifespan of people alive in Jesus’ day. Obviously, Jesus meant something different when He spoke of “this generation.”

The key to understanding what Jesus meant by “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding Matthew 24:34, especially the verses prior to it.

In Matthew 24:4–31, Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events.

Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43).

Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time.

The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.

Jesus’ point in His statement, “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place,” is that the events of the end times will happen quickly.

Once the signs of the end begin to be observed, the end is well on the way—the second coming and the judgment will occur within that last generation. Jesus reinforced this meaning with a parable in Matthew 24:32–33: “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.”

A sure sign of summer is the leafing of the fig tree; a sure sign of the end of the world is that “all these things” (of Matthew 24) are taking place. Those who are on the earth then will have only a short time left.

 

[MatthewG]

Lol. You all are something else.

I understand that you’re believers in the Lord Jesus Christ — that He came, died, and was raised again by the Holy Spirit of God. I’m not denying any of that.

But I’m going to continue believing exactly what I’ve already shared in the original post.

There are people today who believe He has appeared — by faith, without physical proof — and they live their lives accordingly, no matter how many times someone says, “No, that’s not possible. I have to see it myself.” That’s fine. You’re free to believe that.

You choose what you believe, and you choose how you live your life.

Trying to chasten me won’t change anything.

And this is why I keep pointing back to what Scripture actually says about the Lord’s appearing. Verses like “so Christ was offered once… to those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time” (Hebrews 9:28, NKJV) show that His return is tied to those who were waiting, not to every person on earth across all generations.

Jesus Himself spoke the same way. He told His disciples, “When you see all these things…” and “this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place” (Matthew 24). He wasn’t speaking into a vacuum — He was speaking to a real audience with real expectations in their own lifetime.

So when I say there are people who believe He has already appeared — in faith, without physical proof — I’m not trying to argue anyone into my view. I’m simply acknowledging that Scripture gives room for that understanding, and many believers throughout history have held it.

You’re free to hold your view, and I’m free to hold mine. None of this stops anyone from having a relationship with God, walking in faith, or living out what they believe. We’re all trying to honor the Lord as best we understand.

Chastening me won’t change what I’ve studied or what I’m convinced of, but I’m not here to fight with anyone. I’m just sharing what I believe with the same sincerity you share yours.

 

[MatthewG]

No, it doesn't say He appeared. It says He will appear, as in FUTURE tense:

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You’re right — for them it truly was the future. Everything Jesus spoke about was coming in their day and age. They were the ones told to watch, to wait, and to stay alert as the time drew near. It wasn’t 2,000 years later for the people He was speaking to; it was their own lifetime that was in view.

And even Revelation follows that same pattern. When it says, “every eye will see Him” (Revelation 1:7), that doesn’t automatically mean the entire globe in our modern sense. John was writing to real churches in Asia Minor, and the phrase fits the people and region involved in those events. It’s describing visibility and impact within that world — the world of those who pierced Him, and the tribes of the land who would mourn. It’s not a statement about satellites, global broadcasts, or a worldwide audience thousands of years later.

So yes, they were told the time was not near at the moment Jesus spoke — but that it would get closer, and when it did, they would recognize the signs. The nearness, the watching, the waiting — all of that belonged to the generation that actually heard His voice.

 

[Davy]

If Jesus already came back in the first century and gathered up the bride of Christ, what do we call all the Christians from the second century until today? Are we not included in the bride of Christ?

Got Questions states:

What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”? | GotQuestions.org

What did Jesus mean when He said, “this generation will not pass”? The generation that Jesus was speaking to did pass, and the events have not yet occurred.

www.gotquestions.org

Jesus said, “Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place.” The things that Jesus had been speaking of—the rise of the Antichrist, the desolation of the Holy Place, and the darkening of the sun—did not happen during the lifespan of people alive in Jesus’ day. Obviously, Jesus meant something different when He spoke of “this generation.”

The key to understanding what Jesus meant by “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place” is the context; that is, we must understand the verses that are surrounding Matthew 24:34, especially the verses prior to it.

In Matthew 24:4–31, Jesus is clearly giving a prophecy; He is speaking of future events.

Jesus had already told those living during His earthly ministry that the kingdom had been taken from them (Matthew 21:43).

Therefore, it is imperative that Matthew 24–25 be seen as dealing with a future time.

The generation that Jesus speaks of “not passing” until He returns is a future generation, namely, the people living when the predicted events occur. The word generation refers to the people alive in the future when the events of Matthew 24–25 take place.

Jesus’ point in His statement, “this generation will not pass away until all these things take place,” is that the events of the end times will happen quickly.

Once the signs of the end begin to be observed, the end is well on the way—the second coming and the judgment will occur within that last generation. Jesus reinforced this meaning with a parable in Matthew 24:32–33: “Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it is near, right at the door.”

A sure sign of summer is the leafing of the fig tree; a sure sign of the end of the world is that “all these things” (of Matthew 24) are taking place. Those who are on the earth then will have only a short time left.

Excellent, someone who actually read... those Bible Scriptures instead of heeding men's doctrines.

 

[MatthewG]

If Jesus already came back in the first century and gathered up the bride of Christ, what do we call all the Christians from the second century until today? Are we not included in the bride of Christ?

If you’re a child of God through belief in Christ and part of His kingdom, then you already have everything you need. Being part of the Bride of Christ was something unique to a real, living group of people in the first century — people who were actually governed, taught, corrected, and shepherded directly by the apostles themselves.

That structure doesn’t exist today. There is no apostolic governing body, no living eyewitnesses of Jesus’ ministry, no group being prepared for an imminent coming. The Bride belonged to that generation because they were the ones told to watch, wait, and be ready for what was drawing near in their time.

So Christians from the second century onward don’t need to be called “the Bride” to belong to God. We’re part of His kingdom, His family, His people — but the covenant role of the Bride was tied to those first believers who lived under apostolic authority and were awaiting the fulfillment Jesus promised would come upon their generation.