When Jesus "took away" your sin, did He leave behind the source, the sin nature?

[marks]

Do you confess them and receive forgiveness — or do you assume you do not have to acknowledge them because you have automatic forgiveness?

Those are not the only choices.

We can be open with God about our sins, about our weakness, about our propensity to slip into flesh mode. He knows us through and through, so there is no reason to even consider not acknowledging to Him whatever may be appropriate to do so. This is the best way I know to grow in the spirit, to involve God in Everything in my life.

We are reconciled to God in Jesus Christ, not from any thing good we have done. We did not gain our reconciliation by anything we've done, nor can we lose it by anything we do.

Trying to "be good" so we can have fellowship with God means that we earn fellowship with God by "being good".

Let me put this another way. We are reconciled to God in Christ, and trying to replace His reconciliation with our own based on our behavior is a work of the flesh, it's sin. We try to do the best we can to live worthy of the life He's called us into, but not to try to replace what Jesus did on our behalf.

Yes, I acknowledge my sin to God, yes, we discuss it, yes, I pray over it, yes, I continually endeavor to do better. Just the same, all my sins were forgiven, removed, 2,000 years ago. That forgiveness was received when I repented and received Jesus. I'm not about to insult God as if He hadn't given this most precious gift, and I have to get it from Him again. Jesus' blood cleanses from all sin.

We are forgiven in Christ, who made a once for all sacrifice. Once for all. Behold! The Lamb of God, that carries away the sin of the world.

That's the beauty of the Gospel. You are already reconciled to God, regardless. You must receive that reconcilation. Just the same, having been reconciled to God while you were His enemy, will you now be less so being His child?

Much love!

 

[marks]

But enough about me.

I've asked an important question. If sin breaks fellowship with God, what about the sins of which you are unaware?

Much love!

 

[Anchorite]

Trying to "be good" so we can have fellowship with God means that we earn fellowship with God by "being good".

Let me put this another way. We are reconciled to God in Christ, and trying to replace His reconciliation with our own based on our behavior is a work of the flesh, it's sin. We try to do the best we can to live worthy of the life He's called us into, but not to try to replace what Jesus did on our behalf.

1 Corinthians 10:12

Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.


Ephesians 2:10

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

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Where did you ever get the bizarre idea that doing good, obeying God, was a sin?

Who told you that conforming to the will of God was a work of the flesh, an attempt to supposedly replace the redemption that Jesus paid for on the cross?

 

[marks]

Where did you ever get the bizarre idea that doing good, obeying God, was a sin?

You have fully misunderstood me.

Doing good for the purpose of "getting God to like you" is flesh. Doing good because it's what we are made for is Christian life.

Much love!

 

[Anchorite]

You have fully misunderstood me.

Doing good for the purpose of "getting God to like you" is flesh. Doing good because it's what we are made for is Christian life.

Much love!

You seem confused.

God does like it when we obey Him, doing good works to show our appreciation for our salvation, and not to try to earn it.

Don’t you want God to like what you do? Don’t you want to be approved by God?


2 Timothy 2:15

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.


John 14:15

If ye love me, keep my commandments.

 

[marks]

God does like it when we obey Him, doing good works to show our appreciation for our salvation, and not to try to earn it.

Amen!

Or to keep it. Our salvation, that is.

I'd say further, we endeavor to not sin, and to do righteousness instead because that's the kind of person He's recreated us to be. It's important to me to do well. It's in my heart.

Much love!

 

[Anchorite]

Amen!

Or to keep it. Our salvation, that is.

I'd say further, we endeavor to not sin, and to do righteousness instead because that's the kind of person He's recreated us to be. It's important to me to do well. It's in my heart.

Much love!

Exactly! Good to hear! Carry on @marks !

 

[Lambano]

Not at all. Let me ask you a serious question. Is the person in 1 John 1:6 saved?

That question is irrelevant because there is no one "person" indicated. The genre of the letter is a polemic exhorting John's faith community to avoid sin. In this verse, John is forcing his audience to examine themselves as to whether they are walking in darkness or in light. Each reader has to answer that for themselves.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

That question is irrelevant because there is no one "person" indicated. The genre of the letter is a polemic exhorting John's faith community to avoid sin. In this verse, John is forcing his audience to examine themselves as to whether they are walking in darkness or in light. Each reader has to answer that for themselves.

You get a gold star. Here is a more tricky one. In what condition is the type of person in 1 John 1:8?

 

[Lambano]

You get a gold star. Here is a more tricky one. In what condition is the type of person in 1 John 1:8?

Again, that's the wrong question.

Look at verses 8-10 together. John challenges his readers to look at their own lives and decide whether they're being honest with themselves about their sin. Then look at the letter as a whole. The answer is the same. John challenges his readers to examine their own lives.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Again, that's the wrong question.

Look at verses 8-10 together. John challenges his readers to look at their own lives and decide whether they're being honest with themselves about their sin. Then look at the letter as a whole. The answer is the same. John challenges his readers to examine their own lives.

Well, look at verse 9. If we are cleansed of all unrighteousness, why is it wrong to agree and say you don't sin? I told you this was a tricky one. LOL

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I am made aware of the sins I commit. This awareness comes from scriptures memorized and scriptures I read, plus being convicted by the Holy Spirit. Forgiveness is needed even when we are saved. I do not believe in automatic forgiveness.

If you know you are sinning, why do it? That is willful sin and it "trampling on the blood of Jesus and insulting the Spirit of Grace."

There are two types of sins. Willful and unintentional. If you commit an unintentional sin (immature fruit of the Spirit) but are walking in the Spirit, those unintentional sins are automatically forgiven. 1 John 1:7 This verse is NOT about breaking a commandment of God. Those are sins unto death, and God will deal with you directly.

 

[Lambano]

Well, look at verse 9. If we are cleansed of all unrighteousness, why is it wrong to agree and say you don't sin? I told you this was a tricky one. LOL

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

"Cleansing" is holiness language. We no longer carry the "stain" (a state of unholiness) from our unrighteousness.

Holiness is interrelated with righteousness, but they are not the same. Righteousness is about meeting the obligations of every relationship. Holiness is being set apart from the world for God. Watch for words like "clean/unclean", "wash", "filthy", etc.

* Holiness language

 

[Lambano]

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If John was saying that once you confess your sins, God takes away your ability to sin, he could've ended the letter right there. He wouldn't have needed to spend the next 4 chapters telling his little flock to stay away from sin.

 

[ProDeo]

Do sins of which you are currently unaware "break your fellowship with God"?

No.

Else who will be saved then ?

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins -> the ones we are aware of.

and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness -> the ones we are not aware of.

The Lord knows who and what we are, we often don't.

 

[ProDeo]

Well, look at verse 9. If we are cleansed of all unrighteousness,

That's for the moment.

Sooner or later when you sin again you will have to confess again and be cleansed of all unrighteousness

 

[ProDeo]

If you know you are sinning, why do it? That is willful sin and it "trampling on the blood of Jesus and insulting the Spirit of Grace."

There are two types of sins. Willful and unintentional. If you commit an unintentional sin (immature fruit of the Spirit) but are walking in the Spirit, those unintentional sins are automatically forgiven. 1 John 1:7 This verse is NOT about breaking a commandment of God. Those are sins unto death, and God will deal with you directly.

Actually I think there are 3 types of sin, not 2.

1. One does willfully -> serious -> repent !!
2. Unintentional and one becomes aware -> 1 John 8-10
3. Unintentional and not aware -> God will have mercy in Christ.

When we walk in the Spirit we will become aware of our many unaware sins and improve.

It's one of the things the Holy Spirit does in us, by the words of Jesus -

John 16:8 And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:

I did not count the number of times the Holy Spirit convinced me of sin and I had to deal with them, but there must be dozens and dozens I think. And it still is an ongoing process, never fully learned.

 

[PS95]

I may not be a denominationalist, but I still go to church; in fact, a few. But I also make appointments with pastors to discuss their doctrines and have made friends with quite a few pastors and missionaries. I was also going to church on both days of the weekend, until the SDA church I went to on Saturdays, asked me not to come anymore, as the miracles I would report on were upsetting some of the members when God created an earing I had lost a few years ago. What happened was one day I was praising God for His creative ability when I was just in awe one day as I thought about the universe. The next day I opened a drawer that held my remotes for TV and immediately saw an earring that matched one that I had lost a few years back. I looked in the box of my "one earring" of other earrings that I had lost the mate, and found the matching earring. That was on a Friday, so I told the Sabbath-School adult class about it, and everybody called the pastor and told them to kick me out of the church as I had a demon. They don't believe in wearing jewelry you know...

No I didn't know they forbid jewelry. I imagine you can't braid your hair on a hot day either? The dietary rules were enough for me to know there is something amiss. In several ways they are like the JWs but not as bad. I don't mean alike so much in doctrine per say, but in their hierarchy's tactics. It's remarkable.-in a disturbing way.

I still go to the SDA church twice a month for their food bank after church on Sundays, and see some of my other friends that are not in that particular Sabbath School class. I really love these women.

I'm glad you were able to keep some friends. What caused you to leave the SDA church in the first place? I had forgotten you were SDA.
What made you keep going to both SDA and another church? Were you raised SDA from birth?

 

[marks]

No.

Else who will be saved then ?

1Joh 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
1Joh 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

If we confess our sins -> the ones we are aware of.

and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness -> the ones we are not aware of.

The Lord knows who and what we are, we often don't.

Then what causes "fellowship to be broken" (I don't think it is) when you sin?

Much love!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

"Cleansing" is holiness language. We no longer carry the "stain" (a state of unholiness) from our unrighteousness.

Holiness is interrelated with righteousness, but they are not the same. Righteousness is about meeting the obligations of every relationship. Holiness is being set apart from the world for God. Watch for words like "clean/unclean", "wash", "filthy", etc.

* Holiness language

The point I was trying to make is (9) if we are cleansed of all unrighteousness, are verses 6, 8 and 10 Christians at all? My answer is no. Verse 7 is the only Christian, and verse 9 is how they became a Christian. The key word in 6, 8 and 10 is "say." You can say anything, but walking is a whole other matter. That is why John said in the next chapter in verse four, "He who says, “I know Him,” and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him."

A true Christian is free from sin.