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FISA expires tonight at midnight.
FISA was born when the Patriot Act was passed to be able to surveil international threats.
However, we have found and do know that FISA has also been used to surveil American Citizens.
FISA was used against citizen Donald Trump in 2015 during his campaign.
See The Steele Dossier and Perkins Coie Opposition Research.
I'm sure it was most likely used under the Bush Admin as well.
Because somebody flew a plane into a building.
Manufactured Crisis.
Never let a good crisis go to waste.

The Patriot Act itself did not create a single “Patriots” list, but it expanded the legal authority for U.S. agencies to maintain and use government watch lists that could include individuals and groups suspected or confirmed of terrorist activity. These lists are maintained by multiple federal agencies — most notably the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), the State Department’s Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL), and the Commerce Department’s Denied Persons List

Then we got the TSA to body search and invade peoples personal space.

I am not a fan of any Government intruding into the lives of their citizens unless they have evidence that they have committed a crime.
I found it amazing how fast the government was prepared to have written, researched, had hearings? passed through committees, and voted on the floor, right after 9/11.
Almost as if it was anticipated.
Just saying.

Congress has left the building until next week sometime.
So unless they call in a special session today FISA will expire at midnight.

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Trump said he loves the inflation because it is a little above the normal rate which is anticipated to come down after this thing in Iran.
The inflation on gasoline we are seeing now is caused by speculators who control the market price. It has nothing to do with the growth of our country.
Has to do with the closing of the straits of Hormuz. Even republicans like Greene are castigating him for starting a war that damaged normal Americans.
 

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The Patriot Act itself did not create a single “Patriots” list, but it expanded the legal authority for U.S. agencies to maintain and use government watch lists that could include individuals and groups suspected or confirmed of terrorist activity. These lists are maintained by multiple federal agencies — most notably the Treasury Department’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC), the State Department’s Terrorist Exclusion List (TEL), and the Commerce Department’s Denied Persons List

Then we got the TSA to body search and invade peoples personal space.

I am not a fan of any Government intruding into the lives of their citizens unless they have evidence that they have committed a crime.
I found it amazing how fast the government was prepared to have written, researched, had hearings? passed through committees, and voted on the floor, right after 9/11.
Almost as if it was anticipated.
Just saying.

Trump, through legislative channels, has called for an 18-month extension of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)
 

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Trump, through legislative channels, has called for an 18-month extension of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA)
Back in April there was a 45 day extension.
And only congress can pass an extension, which they did at that time and Trump signed it.
Like I said, Congress has left the building and unless they come in today to pass another extension, it will expire at midnight.
 

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I watched the Senate yesterday and the Bill didn't pass.
And if it ends up going by the wayside, I will not cry about it.
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I don't think a lot of people understand the actual strategy.
We don't want Government intrusion in America Citizens lives.
The Federal Governments purpose according to Article 2 of the Constitution is to protect our borders, navigate international trade, and provide for the safety of our Country.
It has no Constitutional right become a Nanny State.
Article 1 of the Constitution which is the Legislative not the Executive Branch

Sections 4–10: Additional Provisions​

  • Section 4: Regulates the elections and meetings of Congress.
  • Section 5: Grants each house authority to determine its rules, punish members, and maintain a quorum.
  • Section 6: Provides compensation and privileges for members.
  • Section 7: Details the process for passing bills, including presidential vetoes.
  • Section 8: Enumerates specific powers of Congress, such as taxation, commerce regulation, and declaring war.
  • Section 9: Limits Congress from certain actions, like suspending habeas corpus or taxing exports.
  • Section 10: Restricts states from exercising powers reserved to the federal government
So lets say the Government has become too big for it's britches, and people for DECADES have been complaining about Government overreach of We the People.
We all remember the famous chant back in 2020: No Justice No Peace!
The rage was a bout a bias and unfair judiciary system that targeted and prosecuted based on racial preference.
Then it became prosecution against religions.
The SCOTUS is an Illegitimate court only when the verdict has come down on the opposite party.

So how do you remove certain corrupted elements from the government that MOST RATIONAL people believe should be removed?
There is this thing called Reverse Psychology.
You want something gone and knowing that the opposition wants to keep it and they will do ANYTHING to go against you,
You push for the very thing you want to eliminate.

Have you heard of Devolution?
the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration:

We have some really hard core Big Government cronies that just don't want to let go of that power.
And that goes on both sides. They live for the establishment and not the people.

And every time Trump wants to remove the power from the government and give it back to the people, he runs into opposition every time.

And you always hear them cry It's Unconstitutional!! And yet, if you READ the Constitution nothing Trump has done or signed has crossed that line.

Both sides make up all kinds of stuff because they don't want to lose their power over the people.
It is the States themselves that should provide for their own constituents.

I know people hate Trump, they have to. They been told to. Because they think that those who are in power are doing good things for the people. When in REALITY they are the slave owners controlling the masses.

Let's give the people a tax break so they can spend their own money. NO!!!
Let's take personal choice out of the governments hands and give it back to the people. NO!!!!
Let's close the borders to protect citizens from invasions from other countries. NO!!!

If it was any other President, under any other name, most reasonable people would believe these things are good for the citizens.


There is a video I have posted multiple times to show what the Trump Administration is trying to do through what we call Devolution.
But you won't listen, you can't hear it, because your Hate keeps you from seeing the objective.

If you want to know what MAGA stands for, instead of listening to the MSM talking heads who hate and oppose everything Trump,
then simply listen to who we are and what we stand for. And what we voted for.
We didn't just vote for the man, we voted for the movement.
Big Pharma, Big Agri, Big Banks, Government overreach, And the failure of our justice system to treat everyone unbiased and fair under the law.
What does being American mean to you?
And frankly, if you really HATE this country, you can leave.

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President Donald Trump’s job approval rating has sunk to a new low as Americans express growing concerns about rising costs and the war with Iran, according to an NBC News Decision Desk Poll powered by SurveyMonkey.

Overall, 37% of adults approve of Trump’s performance as president, while 63% disapprove — including 50% who said they disapprove strongly — putting his job rating at the lowest point of his second term in NBC News Decision Desk polling. Two-thirds of respondents also disapproved of Trump’s handling of inflation and the Iran conflict.

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Fake in (poll) fake out. Big WHOOP :rolleyes:
 

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I don't think a lot of people understand the actual strategy.
We don't want Government intrusion in America Citizens lives.
The Federal Governments purpose according to Article 2 of the Constitution is to protect our borders, navigate international trade, and provide for the safety of our Country.
It has no Constitutional right become a Nanny State.
Article 1 of the Constitution which is the Legislative not the Executive Branch

Sections 4–10: Additional Provisions​

  • Section 4: Regulates the elections and meetings of Congress.
  • Section 5: Grants each house authority to determine its rules, punish members, and maintain a quorum.
  • Section 6: Provides compensation and privileges for members.
  • Section 7: Details the process for passing bills, including presidential vetoes.
  • Section 8: Enumerates specific powers of Congress, such as taxation, commerce regulation, and declaring war.
  • Section 9: Limits Congress from certain actions, like suspending habeas corpus or taxing exports.
  • Section 10: Restricts states from exercising powers reserved to the federal government
So lets say the Government has become too big for it's britches, and people for DECADES have been complaining about Government overreach of We the People.
We all remember the famous chant back in 2020: No Justice No Peace!
The rage was a bout a bias and unfair judiciary system that targeted and prosecuted based on racial preference.
Then it became prosecution against religions.
The SCOTUS is an Illegitimate court only when the verdict has come down on the opposite party.

So how do you remove certain corrupted elements from the government that MOST RATIONAL people believe should be removed?
There is this thing called Reverse Psychology.
You want something gone and knowing that the opposition wants to keep it and they will do ANYTHING to go against you,
You push for the very thing you want to eliminate.

Have you heard of Devolution?
the transfer or delegation of power to a lower level, especially by central government to local or regional administration:

We have some really hard core Big Government cronies that just don't want to let go of that power.
And that goes on both sides. They live for the establishment and not the people.

And every time Trump wants to remove the power from the government and give it back to the people, he runs into opposition every time.

And you always hear them cry It's Unconstitutional!! And yet, if you READ the Constitution nothing Trump has done or signed has crossed that line.

Both sides make up all kinds of stuff because they don't want to lose their power over the people.
It is the States themselves that should provide for their own constituents.

I know people hate Trump, they have to. They been told to. Because they think that those who are in power are doing good things for the people. When in REALITY they are the slave owners controlling the masses.

Let's give the people a tax break so they can spend their own money. NO!!!
Let's take personal choice out of the governments hands and give it back to the people. NO!!!!
Let's close the borders to protect citizens from invasions from other countries. NO!!!

If it was any other President, under any other name, most reasonable people would believe these things are good for the citizens.


There is a video I have posted multiple times to show what the Trump Administration is trying to do through what we call Devolution.
But you won't listen, you can't hear it, because your Hate keeps you from seeing the objective.

If you want to know what MAGA stands for, instead of listening to the MSM talking heads who hate and oppose everything Trump,
then simply listen to who we are and what we stand for. And what we voted for.
We didn't just vote for the man, we voted for the movement.
Big Pharma, Big Agri, Big Banks, Government overreach, And the failure of our justice system to treat everyone unbiased and fair under the law.
What does being American mean to you?
And frankly, if you really HATE this country, you can leave.

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Unfortunately you are speaking to a barbarian. :(
 

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Unfortunately you are speaking to a barbarian. :(
I think even barbarians oppose central government overreach, unless they are part of the system.
Please visit the Concerned Citizen thread under current news forum.
Something is weird and I don't know what it is.
In my opinion.
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