USA/IRAN/ISRAEL PEACE DEAL?

[Ronald David Bruno]

Peacemaker........ Violence is not bad or a sin.....it is the reason behind it.
If Trump had to stomp their butts to get them to be good.....so be it.

They won't be good. It is in their spiritual nature to hate Jews and Christians and part of their religion - to war against the infidel until they submit and convert or else. Jihad is a righteous way in their book. They are just taking a pause now to reorganize, gather nations.. A predator knows no other way, like a wild animal, you can't trust them.

 

[Grailhunter]

They won't be good. It is in their spiritual nature to hate Jews and Christians and part of their religion - to war against the infidel until they submit and convert or else. Jihad is a righteous way in their book. They are just taking a pause now to reorganize, gather nations.. A predator knows no other way, like a wild animal, you can't trust them.

In their nature to hate anything that is good.....Agents of Satan.
Just like the leftist democrats of our country that hates anything good or of God.

 

[Jack]

Bibi just needs to accept this agreement and chill for awhile. Though Iran funded Hezbollah, Hamas and Houthis, they do not have control over their actions, so further attacks by them should be expected. So whoever signs this agreement is who your peace is with. Hezbollah nor Hamas are cooperating. Israel has the right to defend themselves regardless what Iran's deal is. We'll see.

Some here love to attack Israel for defending itself! That's why they HATE Trump! Utter hypocrisy!

 

[SavedInHim]

The more I think about this and see what's happening, I'm more inclined to believe it could be a fulfillment of scripture. If they reach a peace deal based on the memorandum of understanding, it would empower Iran and might lead to "sudden destruction." But you have to wonder if Iran is crazy enough to use a nuke if they had one since it would guarantee their own sudden destruction.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The more I think about this and see what's happening, I'm more inclined to believe it could be a fulfillment of scripture. If they reach a peace deal based on the memorandum of understanding, it would empower Iran and might lead to "sudden destruction." But you have to wonder if Iran is crazy enough to use a nuke if they had one since it would guarantee their own sudden destruction.

Where does Paul indicate in 1 Thessalonians 5 that the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people saying there is peace and safety in the Middle East?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

In their nature to hate anything that is good.....Agents of Satan.
Just like the leftist democrats of our country that hates anything good or of God.

I wouldn't say all democrats have this evil intent, but a portion of them do. It is the 35-45% of them who are non-Christians, atheists, etc., who are easily lured into this mindset. It is difficult to compute how a Christian could be a Democrat, though they more centrists, steering away from radicle far leftist ideology.
Catholics are split between Democrat and Republicans.
White Protestants are generally Republicans, while Black Protestants are mostly Dems. Trump btw, captured a percentage of those blacks because of all he outstandingly grew their employment ratings - where Obama did nothing to help them. They were suckered to fall for Obama and Biden (who actually was friends with a KKK member amd went to his funeral).
To be fair, we are all sinners and each express our own evils at times.

 

[Grailhunter]

I wouldn't say all democrats have this evil intent, but a portion of them do. It is the 35-45% of them who are non-Christians, atheists, etc., who are easily lured into this mindset. It is difficult to compute how a Christian could be a Democrat, though they more centrists, steering away from radicle far leftist ideology.
Catholics are split between Democrat and Republicans.
White Protestants are generally Republicans, while Black Protestants are mostly Dems. Trump btw, captured a percentage of those blacks because of all he outstandingly grew their employment ratings - where Obama did nothing to help them. They were suckered to fall for Obama and Biden (who actually was friends with a KKK member amd went to his funeral).
To be fair, we are all sinners and each express our own evils at times.

Of course there is a difference between democratic politicians and regular citizens.
The statistics over the last few years show the democratic politicians as nearly 100% WOKE/WACKY.
Where as around 26% of the populous that are democrats are patriotic and Christian.
But I believe that there are more democrat Christians than that....democrat out of ignorance.
Which is why I started a thread entitled....Is it a sin to vote for a democrat.

 

[shepherdsword]

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thes. 5:3

Is this the one?

I don't think this is the "one". It's a bad deal for Israel and they are not saying "peace and safety". More like "fear and turmoil" I am really disappointed in Trump. It looks like the Iranian people have been forgotten and Israel betrayed. Just my take on it.

 

[SavedInHim]

Where does Paul indicate in 1 Thessalonians 5 that the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people saying there is peace and safety in the Middle East?

Ya got me, where?

 

[Lizbeth]

Hello Ronald,

The core historical point is this: “Peace and safety” was a real political slogan in the first‑century Roman world, and Paul is deliberately using it to warn the Thessalonian believers that the very empire boasting of stability was on the brink of catastrophic judgment.

Why is sudden destruction emphasized in 1 Thessalonians 5:3?

I can’t reach this site not sure why, but copilot list it as well. 1 Thessalonians 5:3 | Judaism and Rome

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The Roman slogan “Peace and Safety”

In the first century, Rome constantly advertised the Pax Romana — the “peace” and “security” supposedly guaranteed by Caesar. Inscriptions, coins, and imperial propaganda used the exact phrase eirēnē kai asphaleia (“peace and security”). Thessalonica, where Paul’s audience lived, minted coins celebrating Pax and Securitas, and inscriptions honored the emperor for bringing “peace and safety.” judaism-a... +1

Paul is intentionally echoing that slogan to expose its emptiness. Rome promised stability — but the prophets had long warned that when people say “Peace, peace,” destruction is near (Jeremiah 6:14). judaism-and-...

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Why Paul says “then sudden destruction”

Paul’s warning mirrors the Hebrew prophets and Jesus’ own language:

• sudden judgment like the Flood
• sudden fire on Sodom
• sudden “birth pains” of covenant judgment (Isaiah 13:8; Matthew 24:8)
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The “labor pains” metaphor means inevitable, unstoppable, and intensifying — once they begin, the outcome cannot be delayed. Bible Hub

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How this fits the first‑century timeline

Paul wrote 1 Thessalonians around 50 AD, during the height of Rome’s propaganda about peace. But within a generation:

• Judea erupted in revolt (66 AD)
• Rome crushed Jerusalem (70 AD)
• the Temple was destroyed
• the Jewish world experienced “sudden destruction” exactly as Jesus foretold in Matthew 24


Paul’s audience lived in a world where Rome boasted of security — yet the covenantal Day of the Lord was approaching their generation, not ours. The warning was for them, not for 21st‑century readers.

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The point Paul is making

Paul is saying:

• When the world around you boasts of stability…
• When the empire claims to guarantee peace…
• When the unbelieving world feels safe…


That is precisely when God’s covenant judgment breaks in.

Rome’s “peace” was a façade. The Day of the Lord would expose it.

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Summary

1 Thessalonians 5:3 is not a vague end‑times prediction for our era — it is a razor‑sharp critique of first‑century Roman propaganda and a warning to the early church that the Day of the Lord was about to fall on the old covenant world. The slogan “peace and safety” was on the lips of Rome, but destruction was at the door.

I'm surmising that "Pax Romana" had to do with being at peace with Rome.....? Those nations who submitted to Rome would be at peace with her. Rome representing the world, its dominant ruling empire. The world is not generally at war with churches and people of God (or who claim to be) who are submitted to it, ie, under its rule. It's a false and temporary peace between ecumenical "co-exist" worldly Christianity and the world. Because in the end the world/beast empire will turn against that spiritual harlot anyhow.....God's judgment.

 

[MatthewG]

I'm surmising that "Pax Romana" had to do with being at peace with Rome.....? Those nations who submitted to Rome would be at peace with her. Rome representing the world, its dominant ruling empire. The world is not generally at war with churches and people of God (or who claim to be) who are submitted to it, ie, under its rule. It's a false and temporary peace between ecumenical "co-exist" worldly Christianity and the world. Because in the end the world/beast empire will turn against that spiritual harlot anyhow.....God's judgment.

You’re right that Pax Romana meant peace through submission to Rome. But Paul was speaking directly to first‑century believers living under that system, not predicting a future ecumenical movement. The ‘peace and safety’ warning was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem, not in a modern church‑world alliance.

And honestly, a lot of political voices today try to use Jesus’ name as a slogan to push their own agendas — but that’s not what Jesus taught. He never tied His kingdom to political power or national movements. His kingdom isn’t built through governments, parties, or campaigns. It’s spiritual, present, and not of this world.

 

[Lizbeth]

You’re right that Pax Romana meant peace through submission to Rome. But Paul was speaking directly to first‑century believers living under that system, not predicting a future ecumenical movement. The ‘peace and safety’ warning was fulfilled in the destruction of Jerusalem, not in a modern church‑world alliance.

But couldn't these same things also be speaking in a parable to the church today? Comparing spiritual with spiritual in scripture. Spiritual lessons. Roman empire (like Babylon) was a unity of many nations. They were allowed to keep their idols/religions as long as they ALSO worshipped Caesar (and Nebuchadnezzar respectively). Nothing new under the sun....what has been will be again (Ecclesiastes).

 

[Lizbeth]

And honestly, a lot of political voices today try to use Jesus’ name as a slogan to push their own agendas — but that’s not what Jesus taught. He never tied His kingdom to political power or national movements. His kingdom isn’t built through governments, parties, or campaigns. It’s spiritual, present, and not of this world.

Amen, I agree. God is still ruling & reigning, raising and lowering kings and kingdoms in this world, but that is His business, not the church's, except to pray.

 

[MatthewG]

But couldn't these same things also be speaking in a parable to the church today? Comparing spiritual with spiritual in scripture. Spiritual lessons. Roman empire (like Babylon) was a unity of many nations. They were allowed to keep their idols/religions as long as they ALSO worshipped Caesar (and Nebuchadnezzar respectively). Nothing new under the sun....what has been will be again (Ecclesiastes).

Amen, I agree. God is still ruling & reigning, raising and lowering kings and kingdoms in this world, but that is His business, not the church's, except to pray.

I hear you, and I agree that Scripture gives us spiritual lessons that apply across time. There’s nothing wrong with drawing parallels or learning from patterns — that’s part of comparing spiritual with spiritual.

But I also think it’s important to keep the original context in view. When Jesus and the apostles spoke about Rome, Babylon, or the kingdoms of that age, they were speaking to real first‑century people living under those systems. The spiritual principles still apply today, but the fulfillment they were talking about belonged to their time.

God still raises and lowers kings, absolutely — but that’s His realm, not the church’s. Our calling is the same now as it was then: to live by the Spirit, pray, and stay faithful to Christ’s kingdom, which isn’t tied to any earthly empire.

So yes, we can learn from those patterns, but without turning them into new prophecies about our era. The spiritual meaning remains, even though the historical fulfillment already happened.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Ya got me, where?

Nowhere. So, why are people trying to relate 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 to peace in the Middle East? There's no basis for that. How do you interpret the passage? If you read all of 1 Thessalonians 5, you should see that the context of the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people in spiritual darkness thinking that they are spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath. But, they will find out otherwise when "sudden destruction" comes upon them when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night and "they shall not escape". Jesus said we should pray to be found worthy to escape it (Luke 21:35-36).

 

[SavedInHim]

Nowhere. So, why are people trying to relate 1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 to peace in the Middle East? There's no basis for that. How do you interpret the passage? If you read all of 1 Thessalonians 5, you should see that the context of the claims of "peace and safety" relate to people in spiritual darkness thinking that they are spiritually at peace and safe from God's wrath. But, they will find out otherwise when "sudden destruction" comes upon them when Jesus comes unexpectedly as a thief in the night and "they shall not escape". Jesus said we should pray to be found worthy to escape it (Luke 21:35-36).

Okay.

 

[Wrangler]

Pastor Steve is against the peace deal as it leaves the blood thirsty regime in power to rebuild.

 

[shepherdsword]

Pastor Steve is against the peace deal as it leaves the blood thirsty regime in power to rebuild.

so who is this guy?

 

[Dave Watchman]

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thes. 5:3

Is this the one?

I think it could be. I still think we're in the timing for this to happen, even just past that timing, so it's worth keeping an eye on.

I have Aljazeera running all the time. Do not harm the oil and the wine. Oil's easy, but they need fertilizer to grow grapes and make the wine. Both go through Hormuz. They're saying talks will happen on Sunday in Switzerland. Qatar owns the hotel there. Steve Witkoff and Jared Kushner are already there.

Jesus also seemed to allude to oil being an issue when the Master is delayed. The virgins seemed to be saying twice to buy oil before the Bridegroom comes. Oil would be a buy, an issue of interest. Oil is running out, we're almost at "tank bottoms", there won't be enough for all on a global scale. Go to the sellers of oil and buy from them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068344498699014158

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2068328411802780045

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2066288462085435768

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[LoveYeshua]

For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. 1 Thes. 5:3

Is this the one?

i don't think this particular flop of a peace deal (that fell trough yesterday again) is the one but they are preparing a new one or rewriting or expanding the abraham accords, that might be the one to look for..