Christian Nationalism

[Gray_Joy]

Nancy, si much of what you wrote is wrong, it’s hard to know where to begin.



This is a natural, inevitable progression of societal evolution. Some things are in decline. Some things are ascendant.



That what prosecutors do, prosecute. Honestly, I’m dismayed you suppose this shouldn’t apply to Christian’s.



I’m not ashamed or embarrassed in any way and reject the guilt trip we should be. Do you know that God created slavery?

In Bublical times of Joseph, the people begged to be slaves as a merciful alternative to starving to death during a terrible drought.

I could write so much in defense of colonialism. God is a warrior and there should be no surprise whatsoever that his children, made in his image, would be warriors also. There should be surprise if we weren’t warriors.



Indeed. See Odoro Amoris.

In the end,God said,every knee on earth shall bow to the King of Heaven.

Some churches talk about god but they aren't actually aware of the King of Heaven. And Earth.

 

[Lizbeth]

I think if we believe God when he said he does not change and he is the same yesterday,today and forever,then we have to face the fact God in the Old Testament foundation of the New,was political.

He established legal codes, established theocratic government,and appointed leaders. He defended his domain and overcame,using armies,his enemies. With extreme prejudice.

Nationalism:Cambridge Dictionary: A nation's wish and attempt to be politically independent, or a great (sometimes too great) love of your own country.

He did those things under the old covenant, not the new. We are to serve in the new way of the SPIRIT now.

 

[Gray_Joy]

He did those things under the old covenant, not the new. We are to serve in the new way of the SPIRIT now.

So,someone tries to murder you and your family. Weapons to fight against that evil are within your reach.

What do you do?

 

[Lizbeth]

It still is.

He is.

Just because you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not habbening.
D

God works in mysterious ways



Hugs

He always has a remnant, but if we can't see that there is a general falling away occurring, it must be because we're in it and cant' see the forest for the trees. Scandal after scandal after scandal.....and what God is exposing is just the leaders, the tip of the iceberg. If we can't see that Christianity has lost ground in the west, we must have blinders on. It's no coincidence that our nations are experiencing the same judgments that Israel did when she fell away. And take note that she continued to serve the Lord in name, but that was alongside serving Baal at the same time...halting between two opinions, as Elijah put it. AKA serving two masters.

 

[Lizbeth]

So,someone tries to murder you and your family. Weapons to fight against that evil are within your reach.

What do you do?

Didn't you understand my previous reply when you gave the Boko Haram scenario?

 

[Taken]

While the USA has NO Official Religion, and neither requires or prohibits any person from engaging in their choice of or rejection of religious beliefs and participation…


The United States of America was established and founded on Biblical Principles, Standards and Fixed Objectives in the Year of Our Lord…

Aside from Statutes…Also can God be recognized in The USA Motto, The USA Currency, Government Offices Oaths, Military Oaths, USA National Anthem, and USA Patriotic poems and Songs, Routinely Politicians, Elected officials, pastors, invoke Gods Blessings for the USA…as well, BiblicalTeaching and prayer was a regular part of Public School curriculum.

God is omnipresent…
Historically and to this day Faithful Believing Americans have routinely Publicly and Privately Praised God for His overseeing Our Nation.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Gray_Joy]

Didn't you understand my previous reply when you gave the Boko Haram scenario?

Do you not understand the import of a personal hypothetical?

 

[Gray_Joy]

While the USA has NO Official Religion, and neither requires or prohibits any person from engaging in their choice of or rejection of religious beliefs and participation…


The United States of America was established and founded on Biblical Principles, Standards and Fixed Objectives in the Year of Our Lord…

Aside from Statutes…Also can God be recognized in The USA Motto, The USA Currency, Government Offices Oaths, Military Oaths, USA National Anthem, and USA Patriotic poems and Songs, Routinely Politicians, Elected officials, pastors, invoke Gods Blessings for the USA…as well, BiblicalTeaching and prayer was a regular part of Public School curriculum.

God is omnipresent…
Historically and to this day Faithful Believing Americans have routinely Publicly and Privately Praised God for His overseeing Our Nation.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think what many churches fail to teach,or hope is forgotten,is that America exists today,after the New Testament was established, as a free Constitutional Democratic Republic and Nation,where God is an intrinsic factor in our founding.

Because our forefathers and mothers did not merely pray for their Liberty. Nor,ask the British nicely to let them go.

 

[MatthewG]

Here are three solid options from YouTube that match what you asked for — actual sermons or sermon‑style messages that support or promote Christian nationalism, not critiques of it. All of these came directly from the search results above.

1. Voddie Baucham — “Christian Nationalism” (Founders Ministries)​

This is one of the most well‑known sermon‑style teachings in favor of Christian nationalism. Baucham argues for America’s Christian roots, critiques social justice movements, and frames Christian nationalism as a misunderstood but legitimate theological position.

2. Allen Jackson Ministries — “Christian Nationalism: What You Need to Know”​

A shorter, polished sermon‑style message presenting Christian nationalism as a moral and spiritual issue. Jackson frames it as a call for Christians to influence culture and government according to biblical values.

3. “Is America a Christian Nation? The Truth About Christian Nationalism | Voddie Baucham”​

This is another sermon‑style teaching from Baucham, explicitly addressing whether America is a Christian nation and how Christians should think about government, culture, and national identity.




I am not a Christian nationalist. I just believe in following the Lord Yeshua, and living by the Spirit of the Messiah, or King.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Do you not understand the import of a personal hypothetical?

 

[Ziggy]

He did those things under the old covenant, not the new. We are to serve in the new way of the SPIRIT now.

So, God made a covenant with Israel, and Israel broke it.

God made a New Covenant with those who would Follow Him, Not those who turned their backs on Him.

So many "christians" cut the Word of God in half, they like this easy manna, but they can't handle the meat.

1Co 3:2
I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.

Jhn 4:34
Jesus saith unto them, My meat is to do the will of him that sent me, and to finish his work.
Jhn 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

Rev 10:7
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
Rev 16:17
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

You truly have a choice.
You either believe the Bible and the Word of God or you don't.

You don't get to choose which half of it applies, it is ALL God's word.

Pro 30:5
Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.

Luk 4:4
And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

Psa 119:160
Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

 

[Ziggy]

Jer 36:2
Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
Jer 36:3
It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jer 36:4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
Jer 36:21
So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22
Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23
And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jer 36:27
Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 36:28
Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
Jer 36:32
Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

If there never was an Old, there would never be a New.
But that doesn't mean that God changes His ways, He changes ours.

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

 

[marks]

I think the word "obsessed" is an exaggeration in the current world setting. Christianity is losing power, not gaining it.

Christianity should be an influence for good, and this can be exhibited at the personal level, the church level, and the political level.

The term "Christian nationalism" is being used as a pejorative in some sectors of society in an attempt to discredit those who seek to implement government policies that reflect traditional Biblical values.

There is a growing array of ideologies that seek to exert influence on government and society, to the point of compulsory compliance. Failing to support what the Bible tells us is right, is to fail in in our responsibility as Christians, whatever sphere we are involved with.

There is a lot of loaded language in there . . .

the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.

Is that really a true characterization? Follows of Jesus? Or unsaved men who took advantage to have power?

Much love!

 

[Ziggy]

Here are three solid options from YouTube that match what you asked for — actual sermons or sermon‑style messages that support or promote Christian nationalism, not critiques of it. All of these came directly from the search results above.

1. Voddie Baucham — “Christian Nationalism” (Founders Ministries)​

This is one of the most well‑known sermon‑style teachings in favor of Christian nationalism. Baucham argues for America’s Christian roots, critiques social justice movements, and frames Christian nationalism as a misunderstood but legitimate theological position.

2. Allen Jackson Ministries — “Christian Nationalism: What You Need to Know”​

A shorter, polished sermon‑style message presenting Christian nationalism as a moral and spiritual issue. Jackson frames it as a call for Christians to influence culture and government according to biblical values.

3. “Is America a Christian Nation? The Truth About Christian Nationalism | Voddie Baucham”​

This is another sermon‑style teaching from Baucham, explicitly addressing whether America is a Christian nation and how Christians should think about government, culture, and national identity.




I am not a Christian nationalist. I just believe in following the Lord Yeshua, and living by the Spirit of the Messiah, or King.

Thank you for sharing @MatthewG
Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

Here are three solid options from YouTube that match what you asked for — actual sermons or sermon‑style messages that support or promote Christian nationalism, not critiques of it. All of these came directly from the search results above.

1. Voddie Baucham — “Christian Nationalism” (Founders Ministries)​

This is one of the most well‑known sermon‑style teachings in favor of Christian nationalism. Baucham argues for America’s Christian roots, critiques social justice movements, and frames Christian nationalism as a misunderstood but legitimate theological position.

Thanks for doing the research. I look forward to watching these vids.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Jer 36:2
Take thee a roll of a book, and write therein all the words that I have spoken unto thee against Israel, and against Judah, and against all the nations, from the day I spake unto thee, from the days of Josiah, even unto this day.
Jer 36:3
It may be that the house of Judah will hear all the evil which I purpose to do unto them; that they may return every man from his evil way; that I may forgive their iniquity and their sin.
Jer 36:4
Then Jeremiah called Baruch the son of Neriah: and Baruch wrote from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the LORD, which he had spoken unto him, upon a roll of a book.
Jer 36:21
So the king sent Jehudi to fetch the roll: and he took it out of Elishama the scribe's chamber. And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king, and in the ears of all the princes which stood beside the king.
Jer 36:22
Now the king sat in the winterhouse in the ninth month: and there was a fire on the hearth burning before him.
Jer 36:23
And it came to pass, that when Jehudi had read three or four leaves, he cut it with the penknife, and cast it into the fire that was on the hearth, until all the roll was consumed in the fire that was on the hearth.
Jer 36:27
Then the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, after that the king had burned the roll, and the words which Baruch wrote at the mouth of Jeremiah, saying,
Jer 36:28
Take thee again another roll, and write in it all the former words that were in the first roll, which Jehoiakim the king of Judah hath burned.
Jer 36:32
Then took Jeremiah another roll, and gave it to Baruch the scribe, the son of Neriah; who wrote therein from the mouth of Jeremiah all the words of the book which Jehoiakim king of Judah had burned in the fire: and there were added besides unto them many like words.

If there never was an Old, there would never be a New.
But that doesn't mean that God changes His ways, He changes ours.

Mat 13:52
Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

You'll like this. I think it fits the theme here pretty well.

edit to add lyrics.

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Verse 1
They call us dangerous for what we believe
Radical for values we won't leave
The things our parents taught were good and true
Now they say make us the enemy too
We believe in borders and our native land
In marriage between woman and man
In two genders and in God above
They call us hateful for our love


Chorus
They call us names we won't deny
They can label us we won't comply
What was normal just yesterday
Now they say we've lost our way
We're the dangerous ones they claim
For refusing to bow to their shame
Call us whatever you need to call
We won't apologize we stand tall


Verse 2
We believe our children should be safe at school
That our nation shouldn't be overruled
That our culture has a right to survive
That our faith should stay alive
We think hard work should mean something still
That our borders aren't just to fill
These were common sense not long ago
Now they call us evil for what we know


Chorus
They call us names we won't deny
They can label us we won't comply
What was normal just yesterday
Now they say we've lost our way
We're the dangerous ones they claim
For refusing to bow to their shame
Call us whatever you need to call
We won't apologize we stand tall


Bridge
By God's grace we know the truth
We remember what we learned in our youth
The world has gone insane not us
In Him alone we place our trust
Let them rage and let them scream
We will never abandon the dream


Final Chorus
They call us names but we stand strong
They say we're bad but they are wrong
What was normal yesterday
Is what we'll fight for come what may
We're the dangerous ones they say
For living out our faith each day
Call us whatever helps you sleep
These are the values that we'll keep


Outro
They call us threats but we're still here
They call us wrong we have no fear
They call us lost but we've been found
On solid rock we hold our ground


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[Wrangler]

And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."

I’m glad you referenced a throne, which he occupies and is a symbol of national sovereignty. You can’t be “king of kings“ without being a government leader.

Most historians and legal scholars agree that two things have always been true about the United States — it has no official religion, and Christianity has shaped its culture, laws and public life since before its founding.

Exactly right. Sadly Christians have been indoctrinated to go against their own best interest.

In the end,God said,every knee on earth shall bow to the King of Heaven.

Some churches talk about god but they aren't actually aware of the King of Heaven. And Earth.

Thereby making themselves irrelevant in the public sphere.

I am not a Christian nationalist.

Are you a nationalist or an X? What kind of nationalist or X are you? What kind of X should a Christian be other than a Christian X? For instance, suppose we decide to form a kayak club, a school, or softball team. Why would we - as Christians - NOT have these all be Christ-centered?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. America’s government puts a duty on participatory citizenship, including guiding the national branches in the best way toward peace and prosperity via voting for executive and legislative branches and serving on juries for the judicial branch, etc.

Given Public Policy A, why not participate in guiding the direction that is most Christ-like, will most glorify God, etc?

 

[Gray_Joy]

I’m glad you referenced a throne, which he occupies and is a symbol of national sovereignty. You can’t be “king of kings“ without being a government leader.

Exactly right. Sadly Christians have been indoctrinated to go against their own best interest.



Thereby making themselves irrelevant in the public sphere.



Are you a nationalist or an X? What kind of nationalist or X are you? What kind of X should a Christian be other than a Christian X? For instance, suppose we decide to form a kayak club, a school, or softball team. Why would we - as Christians - NOT have these all be Christ-centered?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. America’s government puts a duty on participatory citizenship, including guiding the national branches in the best way toward peace and prosperity via voting for executive and legislative branches and serving on juries for the judicial branch, etc.

Given Public Policy A, why not participate in guiding the direction that is most Christ-like, will most glorify God, etc?

When did this change? The "church" is just the world wrapped in churchy clothing.

"Christianity Thrives when it challenges Empire. It becomes corrupted when it tries to become one."

That's a quote by Mike Wisniewski.
A member of the Roman Catholic Worker Group founded in the early 20th century by Dorothy Day and Peter Maurin.

"Christianity began with no army, no political party, no courts, no national flag, and no emperor "protecting" it.
Just a crucified Savior and a handful of ordinary people convinced that loving their enemies, caring for the forgotten, sharing what they had, and refusing to worship Caesar could change the world.
And somehow, it did.
The Church grew while it was culturally powerless because its power looked completely different from Rome’s.
Rome conquered people.
Christians served them.
Rome celebrated status.
Christians called slaves and rulers brothers and sisters.
Rome abandoned the sick and unwanted.
Christians carried them home.
Then Christianity gained access to the palace.
Constantine legalized and favored the faith. Within decades, Christianity became the official religion of the empire.
Suddenly, the persecuted Church had political influence.
Then political privilege.
Then political power.
And eventually, in some places, the followers of Jesus began persecuting others.
From religious wars and inquisitions to forced conversions, colonial conquests, and defenses of slavery, Christian history contains some deeply embarrassing chapters.
Not because Jesus failed.
Because Christians repeatedly traded His way for Caesar’s.
We took a faith built on carrying a cross and used it to decorate thrones.
That should make us pause today.
When Christianity becomes obsessed with controlling government, defeating cultural enemies, enforcing conformity, and keeping “our people” in power, we should recognize the pattern.
We have seen this movie before.
And somehow we keep buying tickets to a Christianity that looks nothing like Jesus.
Jesus never asked to become the mascot of an empire.
He called us to become servants in His Kingdom.
Christianity thrives when it offers the world an alternative to domination... not when it baptizes domination and calls it Christlike.
The Church is most powerful
when it looks like Jesus.

Emperor Constantine warred so to keep his power and spread his reign,authority.

And Jesus conquered the world
from a cross.
Not a throne."
#ChristianNationalism

Jesus is forever God on the throne. He led his armies from that place. And shall bring the end of the world from that place.
He was lifted up on the cross as a beacon to draw all whom he calls,and named as his before the foundation of this world,to himself.


New Testament Only believers do themselves a disservice when their knowledge of the faith vetoed God and his word at the last page of The Book of Malachi.

Malachi 4:6 (ESV) “And he will turn the hearts of fathers to their children and the hearts of children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the land with a decree of utter destruction.”

 

[Ziggy]

I’m glad you referenced a throne, which he occupies and is a symbol of national sovereignty. You can’t be “king of kings“ without being a government leader.



Exactly right. Sadly Christians have been indoctrinated to go against their own best interest.



Thereby making themselves irrelevant in the public sphere.



Are you a nationalist or an X? What kind of nationalist or X are you? What kind of X should a Christian be other than a Christian X? For instance, suppose we decide to form a kayak club, a school, or softball team. Why would we - as Christians - NOT have these all be Christ-centered?

Jesus said to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s. America’s government puts a duty on participatory citizenship, including guiding the national branches in the best way toward peace and prosperity via voting for executive and legislative branches and serving on juries for the judicial branch, etc.

Given Public Policy A, why not participate in guiding the direction that is most Christ-like, will most glorify God, etc?

I don't think everyone is called to be a soldier.
We need teachers, and helpers, all those positions are important.
Not all are meant to battle the world, the meant to battle the evil influences that permeate into every part of society.

SOme keep the wolves at bay while others can train up the children in the way that they should go.

LGBTQ in the classrooms and in the public square.
Common Core 2+2 = 5

They need to be protected and only the parents can do that.
And the parents need to know the Lord so they can teach.

Is it James?

Tit 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus.

Some stay in the camp, others go outside the camp to keep those inside safe.
Hugs

 

[Gray_Joy]

I don't think everyone is called to be a soldier.
We need teachers, and helpers, all those positions are important.
Not all are meant to battle the world, the meant to battle the evil influences that permeate into every part of society.

SOme keep the wolves at bay while others can train up the children in the way that they should go.

LGBTQ in the classrooms and in the public square.
Common Core 2+2 = 5

They need to be protected and only the parents can do that.
And the parents need to know the Lord so they can teach.

Is it James?

Tit 2:1
But speak thou the things which become sound doctrine:

Titus.

Some stay in the camp, others go outside the camp to keep those inside safe.
Hugs

Wise words.

I would make the observation that, what puts at risk the camp and all who serve in the name of God and his sovereignty are the Traitors ensconced among us.

Those who condemn the servants who stand ready to oppose any enemy. Those foreign and of the enemies legions. As well as the ones who claim to be one with us but,as Jesus observed of them,inside themselves are ravenous wolves . Opposed to withstanding those committed to our extinction and in as much insist we should concede and accept it while on our knees.

Jesus said,such are worse than an unbeliever.
God is the same yesterday,today,and forever. He does not change.

Imagine a world where Sodom and Gomorrah were allowed to continue and spread their domain across God's Earth.

Wait!
They have.

Imagine a world where members of terrorist pagan faith occupied Christian lands and slaughter those faithful to Christ.

Wait!

They are!

And we're suppose to love that? And them that do that?
And hand Boko Haram our next baby,after they behead the first daughter?

WWJD?

He tells us in the Old Testament. God did not change with the coming of the New.