How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[bdavidc]

do we have salvation here and now or only justification

is justification the same as salvation

thks

Yes, believers have salvation here and now, because Scripture says so plainly.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

That is present possession, not merely a future possibility. He “hath everlasting life.” He “is passed from death unto life.” Jesus did not say the believer might pass from death to life if he maintains enough obedience afterward.

Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith” ~Ephesians 2:8. He does not say we are only partly saved, or only initially justified, while the rest depends on our works. Titus 3:5 says, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”

Justification is not the same word as salvation, but it is part of salvation. Salvation is the larger work of God. It includes justification, sanctification, and final glorification. Justification deals with our legal standing before God. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” ~Romans 5:1.

So yes, the justified man is saved. A man cannot be justified before God and still be under condemnation. Romans 8:30 says, “whom he justified, them he also glorified.” God does not justify a man, then leave his final salvation hanging on human performance.

There is also a future aspect of salvation, because believers still wait for the redemption of the body. Paul says, “now is our salvation nearer than when we believed” ~Romans 13:11. Peter says believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5.

That does not mean we are unsaved now. It means the salvation we already possess in Christ will be brought to its final completion by God Himself. “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6.

So the answer is simple. We have salvation now in Christ, and we await its final completion in glory. Justification is not the whole of salvation, but no one is saved without being justified, and no one truly justified will fail to be saved. Christ does not lose those whom He saves.

“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

 

[JustMe]

How very passive aggressive of you. I've come to the conclusion the question comes from the Adversary. In reading James 4:11-12 and Philippians 2:12, do you get the impression we should judge ourselves at all, let alone judge ourselves with certainty of our ultimate fate?

I kindly and gently recommend that you learn what it truly means to be passive-aggressive. I suspect you are using this term to describe my response in order to dismiss or downplay its importance, especially since it directly addresses you.

Here are some key points for you to consider:

Direct Communication: Passive aggression involves expressing negative emotions indirectly or through subtle hints, such as sarcasm, ambiguous remarks, or covert comments, rather than stating them clearly.

Explicit Content: Making a straightforward statement about someone's spiritual condition is a clear expression of your opinion, even if it is confrontational or critical.

Biblical Perspective: Christian teachings on resolving conflicts, like those in Matthew 18:15-17, encourage believers to address issues openly and lovingly, contrasting with the "cowardly" and "dishonest" nature of passive-aggressive communication, which avoids honest conversation.

I hope you desire open dialogue and do not want to be cowardly or dishonest on such an important topic. Trying to end this discussion with inaccurate and unhelpful labels will not make my words disappear. Sooner or later, you will need to face them.

Remember, being saved means you are gradually living increasingly through a renewed heart and mind, with old ways fading away over time. You now fully trust God's words on this matter and see your Creator with new understanding, confidence, reverence, and humility, recognizing the complete helplessness of human nature to save itself without God and His Son's intervention.

Today, you are either in a state of salvation or you are not. There is no middle ground or back-and-forth between salvation and non-salvation during your lifetime, even in the face of doubt or unrepentant sin.

 

[faithhopecharity]

Yes, believers have salvation here and now, because Scripture says so plainly.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

That is present possession, not merely a future possibility. He “hath everlasting life.” He “is passed from death unto life.” Jesus did not say the believer might pass from death to life if he maintains enough obedience afterward.

Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith” ~Ephesians 2:8. He does not say we are only partly saved, or only initially justified, while the rest depends on our works. Titus 3:5 says, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”

Justification is not the same word as salvation, but it is part of salvation. Salvation is the larger work of God. It includes justification, sanctification, and final glorification. Justification deals with our legal standing before God. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” ~Romans 5:1.

So yes, the justified man is saved. A man cannot be justified before God and still be under condemnation. Romans 8:30 says, “whom he justified, them he also glorified.” God does not justify a man, then leave his final salvation hanging on human performance.

There is also a future aspect of salvation, because believers still wait for the redemption of the body. Paul says, “now is our salvation nearer than when we believed” ~Romans 13:11. Peter says believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5.

That does not mean we are unsaved now. It means the salvation we already possess in Christ will be brought to its final completion by God Himself. “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6.

So the answer is simple. We have salvation now in Christ, and we await its final completion in glory. Justification is not the whole of salvation, but no one is saved without being justified, and no one truly justified will fail to be saved. Christ does not lose those whom He saves.

“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

can you pass back into death?
thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Yes, believers have salvation here and now, because Scripture says so plainly.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

That is present possession, not merely a future possibility. He “hath everlasting life.” He “is passed from death unto life.” Jesus did not say the believer might pass from death to life if he maintains enough obedience afterward.

Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith” ~Ephesians 2:8. He does not say we are only partly saved, or only initially justified, while the rest depends on our works. Titus 3:5 says, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”

Justification is not the same word as salvation, but it is part of salvation. Salvation is the larger work of God. It includes justification, sanctification, and final glorification. Justification deals with our legal standing before God. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” ~Romans 5:1.

So yes, the justified man is saved. A man cannot be justified before God and still be under condemnation. Romans 8:30 says, “whom he justified, them he also glorified.” God does not justify a man, then leave his final salvation hanging on human performance.

There is also a future aspect of salvation, because believers still wait for the redemption of the body. Paul says, “now is our salvation nearer than when we believed” ~Romans 13:11. Peter says believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5.

That does not mean we are unsaved now. It means the salvation we already possess in Christ will be brought to its final completion by God Himself. “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6.

So the answer is simple. We have salvation now in Christ, and we await its final completion in glory. Justification is not the whole of salvation, but no one is saved without being justified, and no one truly justified will fail to be saved. Christ does not lose those whom He saves.

“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

a question: then after your saved, can you rob banks, murder the gaurds, spend the cash on drunken revelry with whores and still be saved, die and go directly to heaven?

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

Yes, believers have salvation here and now, because Scripture says so plainly.

Jesus said, “He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” ~John 5:24.

That is present possession, not merely a future possibility. He “hath everlasting life.” He “is passed from death unto life.” Jesus did not say the believer might pass from death to life if he maintains enough obedience afterward.

Paul says, “For by grace are ye saved through faith” ~Ephesians 2:8. He does not say we are only partly saved, or only initially justified, while the rest depends on our works. Titus 3:5 says, “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us.”

Justification is not the same word as salvation, but it is part of salvation. Salvation is the larger work of God. It includes justification, sanctification, and final glorification. Justification deals with our legal standing before God. “Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ” ~Romans 5:1.

So yes, the justified man is saved. A man cannot be justified before God and still be under condemnation. Romans 8:30 says, “whom he justified, them he also glorified.” God does not justify a man, then leave his final salvation hanging on human performance.

There is also a future aspect of salvation, because believers still wait for the redemption of the body. Paul says, “now is our salvation nearer than when we believed” ~Romans 13:11. Peter says believers are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time” ~1 Peter 1:5.

That does not mean we are unsaved now. It means the salvation we already possess in Christ will be brought to its final completion by God Himself. “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” ~Philippians 1:6.

So the answer is simple. We have salvation now in Christ, and we await its final completion in glory. Justification is not the whole of salvation, but no one is saved without being justified, and no one truly justified will fail to be saved. Christ does not lose those whom He saves.

“For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14.

how is mortal sin involved in all this

the sin unto spiritual death

thks