Christian Nationalism

[Ziggy]

Ask the Lord to give you understanding of it. It's only vague for those who aren't "getting" it yet.....it is spiritually discerned.

Churches should be studying and preaching the word and seeking God for wisdom......then nobody would need to tell them what policies are more aligned with God's word. But keep in mind there is good and evil with both sides of the aisle....that's just how it is with worldly things in this fallen world unfortunately. Politics always involves compromise and being beholden to those who pay for the campaigns. Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. Only the blessing of God addeth no sorrow to it.

Ultimately God is the one who decides what is going on with nations....whether He is blessing or judging/cursing them etc. He is the one wo raises and lowers kings and kingdoms. Nations with a preponderance of citizens who are following Him will be more blessed than nations which are sinful and corrupt. Righteousness exalts a nation, sin brings reproach. Where does the west sit on the scale of righteousness? It has become sinful and corrupt I would say these days, sadly. Even in the churches....there is much sin in the camp. I think God is only going to heal our land if the church repents, if we believe the scriptures.

Listen to this again.
Somebody has to do it.
Apparently there are many weak among us.
They just let anybody walk in

 

[Wrangler]

@Nancy, As a student of history, I generally prefer to start at the beginning. What does the LORD think of Christian nationalism?
Genesis 12:1 Now the LORD said[a] to Abram, “Go from your country[b] and your kindred and your father's house to the land that I will show you. 2 And I will make of you a great nation.

God is not a Globalist but a nationalist.
A. He recognizes the Pagan country that Abram and his family live in.
B. He commands colonialism, going to another land. The purpose for which is:
C. To make a new nation, a nation that will become great due to the people God has chosen, i.e., not multiculturalism, not the perversion that everyone is equal in God's eyes.

 

[Gray_Joy]

That wasn't His kingdom on earth..........

That's not true.

it was only a type/shadow of His heavenly kingdom which comes not with observation that you may say lo here it is or there, but is within us.

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.


The Midianites,Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites,among many others,we're not types or shadows when slaughtered by God and his armies.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Yes........and which sword was He talking about? What is the sword that DIVIDES? The sword of the Spirit, His word, is what divides. And people of the world and flesh who reject His word are often willing to take up a literal sword against those who follow Him.

Yes. And as he said,he did not come to bring peace.

And a literal sword was used,among the other weapons,by Gods people when God made real war upon real people.
The Midianites,Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites,and others.

 

[Gray_Joy]

Listen to this again.
Somebody has to do it.
Apparently there are many weak among us.
They just let anybody walk in

There are those who call themselves,New Testament Christians.

They eradicate the whole of the Old Testament from their ideology. And recognize the New Testament only.

Someone here referred to the bloody conquests by God's order so to establish his kingdom on Earth in the Old Testament as a shadow and type of the new kingdom. The spiritual kingdom in the New.

What is missed in that proposal is, the record of indiscriminate human slaughter, from the unborn on, was real killing.
By order of God. And even by God himself.

So,if that is,as they insist, a shadow and type of the future kingdom of the spirit,it still stands in history that God slaughtered real human flesh,not spirits.

So,if that earlier slaughter was a shadow and type of the kingdom of God to come, it certainly cannot be argued that future kingdom once arrived will be peaceful and non-violent.

Not when the creator of all that exists slaughtered people so to establish his first kingdom.

When,as God,he could have willed peace on Earth from the beginning.

 

[Bombastic]

There are those who call themselves,New Testament Christians.

The eradicate the whole of the Old Testament from their ideology.

And "Red Letter" Christians. If it isn't said in red letters, then whatever is said is rejected. These types tend to be more pacifist than anything. How can, with respect to systematic methods of interpretation, sola or tota scriptura, the selectivism or isolation of red-letter Christians honestly interpret scriptures concerning Jesus?
I believe their methods are a dishonest approach to scripture and are guilty of committing selectivism. At the very least, to be kind, most red-letter Christians by observation reject self-examination (Law), embrace eisegesis, and make themselves the judge; that is, the focus is upon their "self" and what sounds pleasing. For example, 2 Timothy 3:16-17 isn't in red letters (cf. Luke 24:44).
I suppose a red-letter Christian can only read English and translations by publishing companies that include red lettering.

Note: Selectivism (often called selective reading, selective literalism, or cherry-picking) is the practice of emphasizing certain biblical passages, themes, or commands while ignoring, minimizing, or reinterpreting others. This approach generally molds the text to fit pre-existing personal, political, or theological agendas rather than engaging the text holistically.

 

[Ziggy]

 

[Lizbeth]

Yes. And as he said,he did not come to bring peace.

And a literal sword was used,among the other weapons,by Gods people when God made real war upon real people.
The Midianites,Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites,and others.

There is no peace between the world and the people of God......but that is not talking about war of the earthly kind.

The Israelites under the old covenant waged war against their pagan enemies..........because the gospel had not yet been revealed. Now we have spiritual weapons, which are more perfect weapons, a more perfect and better and more glorious way than the old way. The old way serves as an allegory/types/shadows for the spiritual war we are in.

Paul was very clear that if we are serving as soldiers in the army of God (spiritual) we are not to be entangled with civil affairs of this world if we want to please our commanding officer.

 

[Lizbeth]

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

Here is an example of what that means...........when Jesus said to the religious leaders, "If I by the finger of God heal the sick and cast out demons then the kingdom has come to you."

 

[Lizbeth]

Listen to this again.
Somebody has to do it.
Apparently there are many weak among us.
They just let anybody walk in

Not sure what you are trying to point out with that. That very passage says we are not to judge/govern those outside the church, only those inside.

 

[Gray_Joy]

There is no peace between the world and the people of God......but that is not talking about war of the earthly kind.

The Israelites under the old covenant waged war against their pagan enemies..........because the gospel had not yet been revealed. Now we have spiritual weapons, which are more perfect weapons, a more perfect and better and more glorious way than the old way. The old way serves as an allegory/types/shadows for the spiritual war we are in.

Paul was very clear that if we are serving as soldiers in the army of God (spiritual) we are not to be entangled with civil affairs of this world if we want to please our commanding officer.

God set the eternal example in the Old Testament.
He does not change. He is the same God today as he is in the Old Testament.

He drowned the world. He burned the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah Al ve. He turned Lot's wife to a pillar of salt because she disobeyed God and looked back at the city God was destroying with fire.
His armies cut babies from the womb. Slaughtered men,women and children. Not metaphorically. In reality.

Jesus commanded his Disciples to buy swords. Actual swords.Not metaphorical ones.

And of course, John's Revelations regarding God's plans for the world can never be said to be metaphor.

 

[Gray_Joy]

There is no peace between the world and the people of God......but that is not talking about war of the earthly kind.

The Israelites under the old covenant waged war against their pagan enemies..........because the gospel had not yet been revealed. Now we have spiritual weapons, which are more perfect weapons, a more perfect and better and more glorious way than the old way. The old way serves as an allegory/types/shadows for the spiritual war we are in.

Paul was very clear that if we are serving as soldiers in the army of God (spiritual) we are not to be entangled with civil affairs of this world if we want to please our commanding officer.

Nahum 1

 

[Lizbeth]

This was the news broadcast today,June 24, on a Christian news channel.

News on The 700 Club: June 24, 2026

As seen on “The 700 Club,” June 24, 2026

cbn.com

Hezbollah , translates as, party of Allah, and the Qutar government are especially concerning.

Remember the anti-Israel movement that rose up on America's campuses the day after the October 7th attack on Israel? Qutar invest billions into their interests all over the world.
And Hamas and all Islamic terror groups want to rule the world through Shari'a law.

It is not a time to stand meek before an enemy that will happily cut our infidel throat.

Know what the Lord told me over 20 years ago...? He gave me to know that if the west doesn't repent our nations would be taken over by another religion, and the context was Islam. It doesn't matter what else we do, we aren't going to win an argument with the Lord once He has turned to fight against us like He did Israel in her apostasy. IF MY PEOPLE WHO ARE CALLED BY MY NAME WOULD HUMBLE THEMELVES AND PRAY AND REPENT OF THEIR WICKED WAYS THEN WILL I HEAL THEIR LAND. Nothing but humble repentance can turn this ship around and keep it from sinking.

And when it happens, we will need to hearken to the word He spoke to Israel when she was conquered by Babylon.........the Lord told Israel that those who fought against the Babylonians would die and those who don't would live. The bible says If we humble ourselves under HIS mighty hand (of judgment/chastisement) in due time He will lift us up.

 

[Lizbeth]

God set the eternal example in the Old Testament.
He does not change. He is the same God today as he is in the Old Testament.

He drowned the world. He burned the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah Al ve. He turned Lot's wife to a pillar of salt because she disobeyed God and looked back at the city God was destroying with fire.
His armies cut babies from the womb. Slaughtered men,women and children. Not metaphorically. In reality.

Jesus commanded his Disciples to buy swords. Actual swords.Not metaphorical ones.

And of course, John's Revelations regarding God's plans for the world can never be said to be metaphor.

He speaks in parables......the Word made flesh. We are to compare spiritual with spiritual in scripture. The things of God must be spiritually discerned.

 

[Gray_Joy]

He speaks in parables......the Word made flesh. We are to compare spiritual with spiritual in scripture. The things of God must be spiritually discerned.

The first born of Egypt, firstborn humans
and animals alike , were killed by the angel God sent into Egypt . That wasn't metaphor.

Why do you not believe in Old Testament God?

Do you think Hell is metaphor?

Was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by idioms?

Did Noah build an ark so to survive himself and his family and all the creatures God sent forth into it, from parables that befell the Earth for forty days and nights?

 

[Lizbeth]

God set the eternal example in the Old Testament.
He does not change. He is the same God today as he is in the Old Testament.

He drowned the world. He burned the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah Al ve. He turned Lot's wife to a pillar of salt because she disobeyed God and looked back at the city God was destroying with fire.
His armies cut babies from the womb. Slaughtered men,women and children. Not metaphorically. In reality.

Jesus commanded his Disciples to buy swords. Actual swords.Not metaphorical ones.

And of course, John's Revelations regarding God's plans for the world can never be said to be metaphor.

And then thanks be to God, He finally introduced a new way, the gospel of peace! Whew! A light to shine in all that terrible darkness! Beating swords into ploughshares! What do you think the rainbow was for? Pointing ahead to the gospel of mercy, thankfully! Oh my! May the Lord open the eyes that are blind!

 

[Lizbeth]

The first born of Egypt, firstborn humans
and animals alike , were killed by the angel God sent into Egypt . That wasn't metaphor.

Why do you not believe in Old Testament God?

Do you think Hell is metaphor?

Was Sodom and Gomorrah destroyed by idioms?

Did Noah build an ark so to survive himself and his family and all the creatures God sent forth into it, from parables that befell the Earth for forty days and nights?

No dear, those things really happened........but for the church of the new covenant, they now serve as ensamples and parables for us, for our admonishment and learning....spiritual lessons, not carnal lessons about carnal things.

 

[Gray_Joy]

No dear, those things really happened........but for the church of the new covenant, they now serve as ensamples and parables for us, for our admonishment and learning....spiritual lessons, not carnal lessons about carnal things.

So,a war God turns passive in his issuance of a new covenant?

You may have noticed the world is more violent and depraved than ever now.

Sealed by the blood he shed on the cross.

And at the end of days,Armageddon,the terrible day of the Lord, all that what is foretold to arrive on Earth in Revelation, is what?
If God is no longer violent.

 

[Lizbeth]

God set the eternal example in the Old Testament.
He does not change. He is the same God today as he is in the Old Testament.

Let me just add this......I believe those things in the Old Testament do serve as warnings of the judgment to come, yes. But this isn't the day of judgment yet is it? For now we are in the time of God's longsuffering that we are to account as salvation....the age of grace or the church age. We are ambassadors of reconciliation in this age....showing God's MERCY, not meting out His justice.

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you not see the parable/allegory there? Spiritual captivity and deliverance? Tithes/thanks to the High Priest who is after another order than the Law?

Dear sister many can see only that which cometh of men who can promise them what their hearts desired .
And it dont matter what side they sit under . whether left , or right
whether protestant or RCC
THEY have one thing in common . THEIR HOPE , CARES and pleasures are in the earthern sister
and thus in men . And on that path one will never see but can only claim WE SEE
and thus their sin shall remain upon them .
THERE was only ONE who could ever have been trusted and BY HIM , HIS WORDS
were all men to be tested . But many sit under men who only twist HIS words
and have created now the largest religoin of all , the inclusive one of an ecumein cal h arlot
who preaches an anti christ intefaith peace plan , SHE claims and they beleive IS OF GOD .
But it is not of GOD .
YE cannot blend the two . The heavenly or its the earthen , but it will not b e both .
This world is fast running out of t ime sister .
As for me i am going to do as i was led years and years ago to do .
POINT ONLY TO JESUS , remind all to get back in to scriptures and to Not hope in man but only IN GOD thus in CHRIST .
A simple message i have long spoken sister . YE just cannot blend TRUTH and A LIE
you cannot blend LIGHT and darkness
YE cannot blend the Heavenly and the earthern
nor the spiritual with the f leshly . THEY AINT GONNA MAKE IT SISTER . that do break my heart .
But the fault is on them , NOT GOD . HE GAVE US JESUS CHRIST and sadly christendom has
tried to merge a political jesus into the mix . It will be their own destruction sister .