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Bible Study: The Unworldly Kingdom of Christ

Introduction

Throughout history, people have tried to pull Jesus into their political visions, agendas, and movements. Some have tried to make Him a revolutionary. Others have tried to make Him a nationalist. Still others have tried to use His teachings to support their preferred economic or governmental systems. But when we look closely at the Gospels, Jesus consistently refuses every attempt to make Him a political leader. He rejects political power, avoids political entanglements, and teaches a kingdom that is fundamentally different from earthly systems.

This study will walk through the Scriptures that show Jesus’ mission was never political, and that people misunderstand Him when they try to turn Him into a political symbol. Jesus’ kingdom is spiritual, present, and transformative — but it is not built through governments, nations, or earthly authority.


1. Jesus Rejects Political Power When Offered It

One of the clearest moments comes early in His ministry. After feeding the five thousand, the crowd reacts exactly how political movements begin: they want to make Him king.

John 6:15 says:

“Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.”

This is not a small detail. The people wanted a political Messiah — someone who would overthrow Rome, restore national power, and lead a physical kingdom. Jesus refuses. He doesn’t negotiate. He doesn’t correct their strategy. He simply walks away.

If Jesus wanted political authority, this was the perfect moment. He had the crowds, the momentum, and the opportunity. But He rejects it because His kingdom is not built through force, popularity, or political uprising.


2. Jesus Rejects Satan’s Political Offer

In the wilderness temptation, Satan offers Jesus something no earthly politician could ever dream of:

“All the kingdoms of the world and their glory.”

This is political power in its purest form — global authority. Jesus refuses it instantly. Not because He couldn’t take it, but because it wasn’t His mission.

If Jesus wanted political rule, He could have taken it right there. But He didn’t. His kingdom is not built through the systems of this world, and He refuses to gain power through the methods the world uses.


3. Jesus Teaches That His Kingdom Is Not of This World

When Jesus stands before Pilate, the Roman governor wants to know if Jesus is a political threat. Pilate asks Him directly if He is a king. Jesus answers in a way that removes all political misunderstanding:

“My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)

This is the defining statement of Jesus’ relationship to politics.

He does not say:

“My kingdom is not political.” “My kingdom is not earthly.” “My kingdom is not national.”

He says it is not of this world — meaning it does not operate by the world’s methods, systems, or power structures.

He continues:

“If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight.”

This is crucial. Earthly kingdoms are defended by force, armies, and political power. Jesus’ kingdom is not. His followers do not fight for Him because His kingdom is spiritual, not political.


4. Jesus Refuses to Restore a Political Kingdom to Israel

Even after His resurrection, His disciples still misunderstand His mission. They ask:

“Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

This is a political question. They are asking about national restoration, political independence, and earthly rule.

Jesus does not say:

“Yes, that’s My mission.” “No, but later I will.” “Not yet, but soon.”

He simply redirects them:

“It is not for you to know the times or seasons the Father has set.”

Then He immediately shifts the conversation away from politics and toward the mission of the gospel:

“You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses.”

Jesus replaces their political expectation with a spiritual mission. The kingdom He brings is not a restored nation, not a political movement, and not an earthly government. It is the spread of the gospel through the power of the Spirit.


5. Jesus Avoids Political Debates and Traps

Political groups in Jesus’ day constantly tried to pull Him into their arguments. The Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, and Zealots all had political agendas. They wanted Jesus to take sides.

One example is the question about paying taxes to Caesar. This was a political trap. If Jesus said “Don’t pay,” He would be a revolutionary. If He said “Do pay,” He would be a Roman loyalist.

Instead, He answers:

“Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

He refuses to join their political categories. He refuses to be used as a political weapon. He refuses to take a side in their earthly power struggles.

Jesus’ answer shows that political authority has its place, but it is not the center of His mission. He is not building a political kingdom, and He will not be dragged into political debates.


6. Jesus Teaches a Kingdom That Is Internal, Not Institutional

In Luke 17:20–21, the Pharisees ask Jesus when the kingdom of God will come. They expect a political event — a visible takeover, a national restoration, a governmental shift.

Jesus answers:

“The kingdom of God does not come with observation… the kingdom of God is within you.”

This is the opposite of political power. Political kingdoms come with armies, laws, borders, and institutions. Jesus’ kingdom comes through transformed hearts, renewed minds, and spiritual rebirth.

People who try to make Jesus a political figure misunderstand the nature of His kingdom. It is not built through elections, governments, or national movements. It is built through repentance, faith, and the work of the Spirit.


7. Jesus Rejects Violence as a Means of Establishing His Kingdom

When Peter draws a sword to defend Jesus, he is acting like someone who believes Jesus is about to start a political revolution. Jesus immediately stops him:

“Put your sword back in its place. All who take the sword will perish by the sword.”

Political kingdoms rise and fall through violence. Jesus’ kingdom does not. He refuses to let His followers fight for Him. He refuses to establish His kingdom through force.

This moment destroys every attempt to turn Jesus into a political revolutionary. He will not use violence, power, or coercion to advance His mission.


8. Jesus’ Mission Is Spiritual, Not Political

Jesus states His mission clearly:

“The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.” “The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve.” “The Son of Man came to give His life as a ransom for many.”

None of these statements involve politics. None involve national restoration. None involve governmental reform.

Jesus’ mission is salvation, not legislation. Transformation, not revolution. Redemption, not political victory.


9. People Misunderstand Jesus When They Make Him Political

Every time people try to make Jesus a political figure, they repeat the same mistake the crowds, the disciples, and the religious leaders made in the first century. They try to fit Him into categories He rejected. They try to use Him to support agendas He never endorsed. They try to make His kingdom earthly when He said it is not of this world.

Jesus is not a mascot for political parties. He is not a symbol for national movements. He is not a tool for earthly power. He is not the founder of a political ideology.

When people use Jesus to justify their political beliefs, they are not following Him — they are using Him.


10. The True Nature of Jesus’ Kingdom

Jesus’ kingdom is:

• Spiritual, not political • Internal, not institutional • Global, not national • Eternal, not temporary • Transformative, not coercive • Built by the Spirit, not by governments • Advanced through the gospel, not through laws

Jesus rules hearts, not nations. He transforms people, not political systems. He brings peace, not through force, but through reconciliation with God.


Conclusion

Jesus was never a political figure. He refused political power, rejected political categories, avoided political debates, and taught a kingdom that is not of this world. When people try to make Him political, they misunderstand His mission and misrepresent His teaching.

Jesus’ kingdom is not built through governments, elections, or national movements. It is built through the gospel, the Spirit, and the transformation of the human heart.

To follow Jesus is to follow a King whose throne is in heaven, whose rule is eternal, and whose kingdom is unlike anything this world has ever seen.
 

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Questionnaire: The Unworldly Kingdom of Christ

Introduction​

  1. Why do you think people throughout history have tried to attach Jesus to political movements or agendas?
  2. According to the introduction, what makes Jesus’ kingdom fundamentally different from earthly systems?
  3. How does misunderstanding Jesus’ mission lead people to misrepresent Him today?

1. Jesus Rejects Political Power When Offered It​

  1. Read John 6:15. Why did Jesus withdraw when the crowd wanted to make Him king?
  2. What does this moment reveal about the kind of Messiah the people expected?
  3. If Jesus had accepted their offer, how would that have changed His mission?
  4. What does Jesus’ refusal teach us about the nature of His kingdom?

2. Jesus Rejects Satan’s Political Offer​

  1. In the wilderness temptation, what exactly was Satan offering Jesus?
  2. Why is this offer considered political in nature?
  3. What does Jesus’ refusal show about the methods He will not use to establish His kingdom?
  4. How does this challenge the idea that Jesus came to rule earthly nations?

3. Jesus Teaches That His Kingdom Is Not of This World​

  1. Read John 18:36. What does Jesus mean when He says His kingdom is “not of this world”?
  2. Why does Jesus mention that His servants would fight if His kingdom were earthly?
  3. How does this statement correct political misunderstandings about Jesus?
  4. What are some modern ways people still try to make Jesus’ kingdom “of this world”?

4. Jesus Refuses to Restore a Political Kingdom to Israel​

  1. Why did the disciples ask Jesus about restoring the kingdom to Israel in Acts 1:6?
  2. How does Jesus redirect their expectations?
  3. What mission does Jesus give them instead of political restoration?
  4. How does this shift from political power to spiritual mission apply to believers today?

5. Jesus Avoids Political Debates and Traps​

  1. Why were the Pharisees’ questions about taxes a political trap?
  2. What does Jesus’ answer in “Render to Caesar…” reveal about His priorities?
  3. How does Jesus avoid being used as a political weapon?
  4. What can we learn from Jesus’ refusal to take sides in political arguments?

6. Jesus Teaches a Kingdom That Is Internal, Not Institutional​

  1. Read Luke 17:20–21. What does Jesus mean when He says the kingdom is “within you”?
  2. How does this contrast with political expectations of a visible kingdom?
  3. What does this teach us about how Jesus’ kingdom grows and spreads?
  4. Why is it dangerous to confuse spiritual transformation with political power?

7. Jesus Rejects Violence as a Means of Establishing His Kingdom​

  1. Why did Peter draw a sword in the garden?
  2. What does Jesus’ response teach about the nature of His kingdom?
  3. How does this moment refute the idea of Jesus as a political revolutionary?
  4. What does this teach us about how Christians should respond to conflict?

8. Jesus’ Mission Is Spiritual, Not Political​

  1. According to Jesus’ own words, what was His mission?
  2. How do these mission statements differ from political goals?
  3. Why is it important to keep Jesus’ mission centered on salvation rather than legislation?
  4. How does focusing on Jesus’ true mission change the way we follow Him?

9. People Misunderstand Jesus When They Make Him Political​

  1. What mistakes did people in the first century make about Jesus’ mission?
  2. How do people today repeat those same mistakes?
  3. Why is it harmful to use Jesus to justify political beliefs?
  4. What does it look like to follow Jesus instead of using Him?

10. The True Nature of Jesus’ Kingdom​

  1. Which characteristics of Jesus’ kingdom stand out most to you, and why?
  2. How does understanding the spiritual nature of His kingdom change your view of Christianity?
  3. What does it mean that Jesus rules hearts, not nations?
  4. How does this understanding shape the way believers should live in the world?

Conclusion​

  1. Why is it important to recognize that Jesus was never a political figure?
  2. How does this truth protect the church from being misled?
  3. What does it mean for your own life to follow a King whose kingdom is not of this world?
  4. How can believers today stay focused on the gospel instead of political distractions?
 

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Bible Study: The Unworldly Kingdom of Christ

Introduction

Throughout history, people have tried to pull Jesus into their political visions, agendas, and movements. Some have tried to make Him a revolutionary. Others have tried to make Him a nationalist. Still others have tried to use His teachings to support their preferred economic or governmental systems. But when we look closely at the Gospels, Jesus consistently refuses every attempt to make Him a political leader. He rejects political power, avoids political entanglements, and teaches a kingdom that is fundamentally different from earthly systems.

This study will walk through the Scriptures that show Jesus’ mission was never political, and that people misunderstand Him when they try to turn Him into a political symbol. Jesus’ kingdom is spiritual, present, and transformative — but it is not built through governments, nations, or earthly authority.


1. Jesus Rejects Political Power When Offered It

One of the clearest moments comes early in His ministry. After feeding the five thousand, the crowd reacts exactly how political movements begin: they want to make Him king.

John 6:15 says:

“Jesus, knowing that they intended to come and make him king by force, withdrew again to a mountain by himself.”

This is not a small detail. The people wanted a political Messiah — someone who would overthrow Rome, restore national power, and lead a physical kingdom. Jesus refuses. He doesn’t negotiate. He doesn’t correct their strategy. He simply walks away.

If Jesus wanted political authority, this was the perfect moment. He had the crowds, the momentum, and the opportunity. But He rejects it because His kingdom is not built through force, popularity, or political uprising.


2. Jesus Rejects Satan’s Political Offer

In the wilderness temptation, Satan offers Jesus something no earthly politician could ever dream of:

“All the kingdoms of the world and their glory.”

This is political power in its purest form — global authority. Jesus refuses it instantly. Not because He couldn’t take it, but because it wasn’t His mission.

If Jesus wanted political rule, He could have taken it right there. But He didn’t. His kingdom is not built through the systems of this world, and He refuses to gain power through the methods the world uses.


3. Jesus Teaches That His Kingdom Is Not of This World

When Jesus stands before Pilate, the Roman governor wants to know if Jesus is a political threat. Pilate asks Him directly if He is a king. Jesus answers in a way that removes all political misunderstanding:

“My kingdom is not of this world.” (John 18:36)

This is the defining statement of Jesus’ relationship to politics.

He does not say:

“My kingdom is not political.” “My kingdom is not earthly.” “My kingdom is not national.”

He says it is not of this world — meaning it does not operate by the world’s methods, systems, or power structures.

He continues:

“If my kingdom were of this world, my servants would fight.”

This is crucial. Earthly kingdoms are defended by force, armies, and political power. Jesus’ kingdom is not. His followers do not fight for Him because His kingdom is spiritual, not political.


4. Jesus Refuses to Restore a Political Kingdom to Israel

Even after His resurrection, His disciples still misunderstand His mission. They ask:

“Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” (Acts 1:6)

This is a political question. They are asking about national restoration, political independence, and earthly rule.

Jesus does not say:

“Yes, that’s My mission.” “No, but later I will.” “Not yet, but soon.”

He simply redirects them:

“It is not for you to know the times or seasons the Father has set.”

Then He immediately shifts the conversation away from politics and toward the mission of the gospel:

“You will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, and you will be my witnesses.”

Jesus replaces their political expectation with a spiritual mission. The kingdom He brings is not a restored nation, not a political movement, and not an earthly government. It is the spread of the gospel through the power of the Spirit.


5. Jesus Avoids Political Debates and Traps

Political groups in Jesus’ day constantly tried to pull Him into their arguments. The Pharisees, Sadducees, Herodians, and Zealots all had political agendas. They wanted Jesus to take sides.

One example is the question about paying taxes to Caesar. This was a political trap. If Jesus said “Don’t pay,” He would be a revolutionary. If He said “Do pay,” He would be a Roman loyalist.

Instead, He answers:

“Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.”

He refuses to join their political categories. He refuses to be used as a political weapon. He refuses to take a side in their earthly power struggles.

Jesus’ answer shows that political authority has its place, but it is not the center of His mission. He is not building a political kingdom, and He will not be dragged into political debates.


6. Jesus Teaches a Kingdom That Is Internal, Not Institutional

In Luke 17:20–21, the Pharisees ask Jesus when the kingdom of God will come. They expect a political event — a visible takeover, a national restoration, a governmental shift.

Jesus answers:

“The kingdom of God does not come with observation… the kingdom of God is within you.”

This is the opposite of political power. Political kingdoms come with armies, laws, borders, and institutions. Jesus’ kingdom comes through transformed hearts, renewed minds, and spiritual rebirth.

People who try to make Jesus a political figure misunderstand the nature of His kingdom. It is not built through elections, governments, or national movements. It is built through repentance, faith, and the work of the Spirit.


7. Jesus Rejects Violence as a Means of Establishing His Kingdom

When Peter draws a sword to defend Jesus, he is acting like someone who believes Jesus is about to start a political revolution. Jesus immediately stops him:

“Put your sword back in its place. All who take the sword will perish by the sword.”

Political kingdoms rise and fall through violence. Jesus’ kingdom does not. He refuses to let His followers fight for Him. He refuses to establish His kingdom through force.

This moment destroys every attempt to turn Jesus into a political revolutionary. He will not use violence, power, or coercion to advance His mission.


8. Jesus’ Mission Is Spiritual, Not Political

Jesus states His mission clearly:

“The Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.” “The Son of Man came not to be served but to serve.” “The Son of Man came to give His life as a ransom for many.”

None of these statements involve politics. None involve national restoration. None involve governmental reform.

Jesus’ mission is salvation, not legislation. Transformation, not revolution. Redemption, not political victory.


9. People Misunderstand Jesus When They Make Him Political

Every time people try to make Jesus a political figure, they repeat the same mistake the crowds, the disciples, and the religious leaders made in the first century. They try to fit Him into categories He rejected. They try to use Him to support agendas He never endorsed. They try to make His kingdom earthly when He said it is not of this world.

Jesus is not a mascot for political parties. He is not a symbol for national movements. He is not a tool for earthly power. He is not the founder of a political ideology.

When people use Jesus to justify their political beliefs, they are not following Him — they are using Him.


10. The True Nature of Jesus’ Kingdom

Jesus’ kingdom is:

• Spiritual, not political • Internal, not institutional • Global, not national • Eternal, not temporary • Transformative, not coercive • Built by the Spirit, not by governments • Advanced through the gospel, not through laws

Jesus rules hearts, not nations. He transforms people, not political systems. He brings peace, not through force, but through reconciliation with God.


Conclusion

Jesus was never a political figure. He refused political power, rejected political categories, avoided political debates, and taught a kingdom that is not of this world. When people try to make Him political, they misunderstand His mission and misrepresent His teaching.

Jesus’ kingdom is not built through governments, elections, or national movements. It is built through the gospel, the Spirit, and the transformation of the human heart.

To follow Jesus is to follow a King whose throne is in heaven, whose rule is eternal, and whose kingdom is unlike anything this world has ever seen.
So you believe Jesus several warnings of ETERNAL Hell Fire? No clear answer expected!
 

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So you believe Jesus several warnings of ETERNAL Hell Fire? No clear answer expected!
I do believe Jesus gave real warnings — but I don’t believe He was describing eternal conscious torture in literal flames. That idea doesn’t come from Jesus’ own explanations. It comes from later traditions.

When Jesus spoke of “fire,” He consistently tied it to God’s presence, God’s judgment, and God’s purification, not endless torment.

A few things stand out:

  • Jesus said “Everyone will be salted with fire.” (Mark 9:49) That’s not describing eternal torture — it’s describing God’s refining fire.
  • The “fire” in Revelation is where the Lamb stands (Rev. 14:10). If Jesus is in the fire, then the fire is not separation from God — it’s the presence of God Himself.
  • The warnings Jesus gave were about being outside the Kingdom, not about being endlessly tortured. He speaks of “outer darkness,” “weeping,” “gnashing of teeth,” and exclusion — not eternal torment.
  • Even the word “eternal” (aiōnios) in Greek doesn’t mean “never-ending duration.” It means belonging to the age to come, the realm of God’s judgment.
So yes — Jesus warned people. But He warned them about God’s judgment, God’s fire, and the reality of being outside His Kingdom, not about a pagan-style eternal torture chamber.

If anything, the Lake of Fire is God’s fire, and people “have a part in it” (Rev. 21:8) — not “are endlessly tortured by it.” Revelation even shows the Lamb in the midst of the fire, which means people encountering Jesus in that judgment, not being annihilated away from Him.

So I’m giving you a clear answer: I believe Jesus warned about God’s fire — not eternal torture.
 

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Also Jack I know you love to use this scripture too;

Revelation 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Revelation 20:10 isn’t describing humans being tortured forever. The beast and false prophet aren’t people — they’re first‑century systems: Rome’s persecuting power and apostate Israel’s leadership. Both were destroyed in the events leading up to AD 70. The “lake of fire” is symbolic apocalyptic language for God’s judgment, just like Isaiah’s “smoke rising forever” over Edom. It means total, irreversible destruction, not eternal torture.

And notice: Jesus stands in the fire in Revelation 14:10. If the fire is literal eternal torment, then Jesus is inside the torture chamber. That alone shows the imagery is symbolic.

So yes, the verse is true — but it’s describing the destruction of Rome’s beast‑system and Israel’s false‑prophet system, not eternal conscious torment.



P.S. I’ll be honest — I think the idea that God eternally torments people is something people hold onto because of their own experiences, fears, or the way they were taught growing up. It feels like a dark little game people play with themselves, imagining God as abusive or vindictive. To me, that’s just not who He is. You’ve told me before that I’m “going there,” and it’s honestly silly and feels like you’re just trying to badger me. I hope these answers help clear things up so you can stop saying that.
 

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I do believe Jesus gave real warnings — but I don’t believe He was describing eternal conscious torture in literal flames.
TOTAL contradiction!
That idea doesn’t come from Jesus’ own explanations. It comes from later traditions.

When Jesus spoke of “fire,” He consistently tied it to God’s presence, God’s judgment, and God’s purification, not endless torment.

A few things stand out:

  • Jesus said “Everyone will be salted with fire.” (Mark 9:49) That’s not describing eternal torture — it’s describing God’s refining fire.
  • The “fire” in Revelation is where the Lamb stands (Rev. 14:10). If Jesus is in the fire, then the fire is not separation from God — it’s the presence of God Himself.
  • The warnings Jesus gave were about being outside the Kingdom, not about being endlessly tortured. He speaks of “outer darkness,” “weeping,” “gnashing of teeth,” and exclusion — not eternal torment.
  • Even the word “eternal” (aiōnios) in Greek doesn’t mean “never-ending duration.” It means belonging to the age to come, the realm of God’s judgment.
So yes — Jesus warned people. But He warned them about God’s judgment, God’s fire, and the reality of being outside His Kingdom, not about a pagan-style eternal torture chamber.

If anything, the Lake of Fire is God’s fire, and people “have a part in it” (Rev. 21:8) — not “are endlessly tortured by it.” Revelation even shows the Lamb in the midst of the fire, which means people encountering Jesus in that judgment, not being annihilated away from Him.

So I’m giving you a clear answer: I believe Jesus warned about God’s fire — not eternal torture.
Matt is preaching Yahavah (UNBIBLICAL) and denying Jesus' warnings about THE FIRE!

Let's see, Jesus warned us about Hell Fire, the Furnace of Fire, the EVERLASTING Fire, the Lake of Fire, the most important doctrine in the NT! But Matt doesn't have a clue what Jesus said. Only what his imaginary Yahavah teaches him.

There may still be hope for you Matt.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,
 

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I understand you desire me to be kicked off the forum that’s fine.

There is nothing wrong with anything I put out there though.

I get it though it’s nothing new nor should be afraid of…
 

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I find it sick when people just desire to beat a person down like so. It’s disgusting behavior honestly. They did that before in Israel they would stone you to death.

This same tactic is not any different.
 

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People say others are “going to hell,” but they never seem to warn unbelievers. Instead, they come after me — someone who already believes Jesus conquered hell and fulfilled His promises. It’s strange. If eternal torment is real, why aren’t they out there making threads, talking to people who don’t believe, and warning them? Why tell me?

I’m not trying to debate anyone. I just want to be left alone. But some people act like I’m supposed to respond with fear or panic, like I’m insane for not believing in a God who tortures people forever. I used to believe that way as a teenager, and it nearly broke me.

I believe Jesus had victory over hell. I believe the past holds the key to the destruction passages. I believe God is good and gives good gifts. That’s my faith. But for some people, that’s not enough — they demand more proof, more fear, more conformity.

So no, I’m not crazy. I may sound crazy to them, but I’m not. And if I’m unclear or still growing, then why hasn’t God “fixed” me yet? Because He’s been patient with me. He’s walked with me. And I’m grateful for that.
 

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I understand you desire me to be kicked off the forum that’s fine.
You need help Matt.

Jude 1:22-23
22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction;
23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire,

Understand?

There is nothing wrong with anything I put out there though.

I get it though it’s nothing new nor should be afraid of…
You send me a private message and then block me from replying. You need help!
 

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I find it sick when people just desire to beat a person down like so. It’s disgusting behavior honestly. They did that before in Israel they would stone you to death.

This same tactic is not any different.
But you don't find it disgusting to attack the Christian Bible. Keep your Yahavah. I'll stick with Jesus, God of the Bible.
 

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Jack, I need you to leave me alone. It shouldn’t be this hard. You’ve been doing this for months, and every time you brush it off as “just sharing the Bible.” I don’t trust you, and I don’t want any interaction with you. That’s why you’re on ignore — even though I can still see your posts.

Say whatever you want, but you’re just another person behind a screen, as human and fragile as anyone else. What you don’t show is respect. You repeat the same things over and over, and you don’t seem to understand when someone asks to be left alone. That’s the real concern.

I’m not doing anything dramatic. I don’t drink. I don’t do drugs. I go to work and I come home. I’m just trying to live my life in peace, and I’m asking you to stop pulling me into conversations I don’t want.
 

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I just need you to leave me alone how hard is that Jack? You continually done these acts for month and blow it off as I just sharing the Bible Matthew.
You aren't 'sharing' the Bible. You're attacking! I.E Yahavah. Jesus several warnings of THE FIRE! Stop playing the victim.
I don’t trust you I don’t desire anything to do with you. That’s why you are on ignore but I can still check your messages.
How are you replying when you're ignoring me? How many times have you said you have me on ignore? lol
You can say whatever you want you just a man behind the screen as fragile as I am but you show no respect you only show what you’ve show me for months on end…

I don’t drink.
I don’t do drugs.
I go to work.

I come home.
No, you just ATTACK the Christian Bible! And I'm here to defend the Bible! If you don't want me to reply to your constant Bible attacks then stop attacking the Bible.
 

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What makes this abuse

Abuse isn’t only physical. It’s also patterns of behavior that violate your boundaries, wear down your sense of safety, and ignore your autonomy. What you described fits several recognized forms of emotional and psychological abuse.

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1. Boundary violation

You told Jack clearly:

• “Leave me alone.”
• “I don’t want interaction.”
• “You’re on ignore.”


A healthy person respects that.

An abusive person pushes past it, keeps messaging, keeps inserting themselves, keeps trying to pull you into conversations you don’t want.

That’s not “sharing the Bible.”
That’s ignoring your autonomy.

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2. Repetition that becomes harassment

You said he repeats the same things for months.

When someone:

• keeps contacting you after you’ve asked them not to
• repeats the same religious warnings or messages
• tries to pull you into the same argument over and over


That’s not “conversation.”
That’s harassment.

Harassment is a form of abuse.

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3. Spiritual pressure / spiritual manipulation

When someone uses:

• scripture
• warnings
• fear
• “I’m just sharing the Bible”
• “you need to listen”


as a way to override your boundaries, that becomes spiritual abuse.

Spiritual abuse is when someone uses religious language or authority to:

• pressure
• guilt
• intimidate
• control
• or force engagement


You’re describing exactly that.

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4. Dismissing your feelings

You said he “blows it off” every time.

Abusers often:

• minimize
• deflect
• pretend they didn’t do anything
• act innocent
• make you feel unreasonable for wanting space


That’s emotional invalidation, and it’s abusive.

---

5. Making you question yourself

You said:

• “I just need you to leave me alone.”
• “How hard is that?”
• “You don’t know how to leave people alone.”


When someone repeatedly violates your boundaries, it creates confusion:

• “Why won’t he stop?”
• “Is something wrong with me?”
• “Am I overreacting?”


That confusion is a symptom of being mistreated, not a cause.

---

Why this is abuse even if he thinks he’s being ‘religious’

Intent doesn’t erase impact.

If someone keeps pushing scripture at you after you’ve said “stop,”
that’s not evangelism —
it’s coercion.

If someone keeps contacting you after you’ve said “leave me alone,”
that’s not ministry —
it’s disrespect.

If someone keeps repeating the same warnings for months,
that’s not concern —
it’s obsession.

And when someone refuses to stop, even after you’ve set boundaries,
that’s abusive behavior.

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You’re not doing anything wrong

You’re living your life:

• no drinking
• no drugs
• you work
• you come home
• you mind your own business


You’re not provoking anything.
You’re not inviting anything.
You’re not causing anything.

You’re simply being targeted by someone who refuses to respect your space.
And you're still attacking God of the Bible and playing the victim.
 

MatthewG

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What makes this abuse

Abuse isn’t only physical. It’s also patterns of behavior that violate your boundaries, wear down your sense of safety, and ignore your autonomy. What you described fits several recognized forms of emotional and psychological abuse.

---

1. Boundary violation

You told Jack clearly:

• “Leave me alone.”
• “I don’t want interaction.”
• “You’re on ignore.”


A healthy person respects that.

An abusive person pushes past it, keeps messaging, keeps inserting themselves, keeps trying to pull you into conversations you don’t want.

That’s not “sharing the Bible.”
That’s ignoring your autonomy.

---

2. Repetition that becomes harassment

You said he repeats the same things for months.

When someone:

• keeps contacting you after you’ve asked them not to
• repeats the same religious warnings or messages
• tries to pull you into the same argument over and over


That’s not “conversation.”
That’s harassment.

Harassment is a form of abuse.

---

3. Spiritual pressure / spiritual manipulation

When someone uses:

• scripture
• warnings
• fear
• “I’m just sharing the Bible”
• “you need to listen”


as a way to override your boundaries, that becomes spiritual abuse.

Spiritual abuse is when someone uses religious language or authority to:

• pressure
• guilt
• intimidate
• control
• or force engagement


You’re describing exactly that.

---

4. Dismissing your feelings

You said he “blows it off” every time.

Abusers often:

• minimize
• deflect
• pretend they didn’t do anything
• act innocent
• make you feel unreasonable for wanting space


That’s emotional invalidation, and it’s abusive.

---

5. Making you question yourself

You said:

• “I just need you to leave me alone.”
• “How hard is that?”
• “You don’t know how to leave people alone.”


When someone repeatedly violates your boundaries, it creates confusion:

• “Why won’t he stop?”
• “Is something wrong with me?”
• “Am I overreacting?”


That confusion is a symptom of being mistreated, not a cause.

---

Why this is abuse even if he thinks he’s being ‘religious’

Intent doesn’t erase impact.

If someone keeps pushing scripture at you after you’ve said “stop,”
that’s not evangelism —
it’s coercion.

If someone keeps contacting you after you’ve said “leave me alone,”
that’s not ministry —
it’s disrespect.

If someone keeps repeating the same warnings for months,
that’s not concern —
it’s obsession.

And when someone refuses to stop, even after you’ve set boundaries,
that’s abusive behavior.

---

You’re not doing anything wrong

You’re living your life:

• no drinking
• no drugs
• you work
• you come home
• you mind your own business


You’re not provoking anything.
You’re not inviting anything.
You’re not causing anything.

You’re simply being targeted by someone who refuses to respect your space.
 

Jack

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What makes this abuse

Abuse isn’t only physical. It’s also patterns of behavior that violate your boundaries, wear down your sense of safety, and ignore your autonomy. What you described fits several recognized forms of emotional and psychological abuse.

---

1. Boundary violation

You told Jack clearly:

• “Leave me alone.”
• “I don’t want interaction.”
• “You’re on ignore.”


A healthy person respects that.

An abusive person pushes past it, keeps messaging, keeps inserting themselves, keeps trying to pull you into conversations you don’t want.

That’s not “sharing the Bible.”
That’s ignoring your autonomy.

---

2. Repetition that becomes harassment

You said he repeats the same things for months.

When someone:

• keeps contacting you after you’ve asked them not to
• repeats the same religious warnings or messages
• tries to pull you into the same argument over and over


That’s not “conversation.”
That’s harassment.

Harassment is a form of abuse.

---

3. Spiritual pressure / spiritual manipulation

When someone uses:

• scripture
• warnings
• fear
• “I’m just sharing the Bible”
• “you need to listen”


as a way to override your boundaries, that becomes spiritual abuse.

Spiritual abuse is when someone uses religious language or authority to:

• pressure
• guilt
• intimidate
• control
• or force engagement


You’re describing exactly that.

---

4. Dismissing your feelings

You said he “blows it off” every time.

Abusers often:

• minimize
• deflect
• pretend they didn’t do anything
• act innocent
• make you feel unreasonable for wanting space


That’s emotional invalidation, and it’s abusive.

---

5. Making you question yourself

You said:

• “I just need you to leave me alone.”
• “How hard is that?”
• “You don’t know how to leave people alone.”


When someone repeatedly violates your boundaries, it creates confusion:

• “Why won’t he stop?”
• “Is something wrong with me?”
• “Am I overreacting?”


That confusion is a symptom of being mistreated, not a cause.

---

Why this is abuse even if he thinks he’s being ‘religious’

Intent doesn’t erase impact.

If someone keeps pushing scripture at you after you’ve said “stop,”
that’s not evangelism —
it’s coercion.

If someone keeps contacting you after you’ve said “leave me alone,”
that’s not ministry —
it’s disrespect.

If someone keeps repeating the same warnings for months,
that’s not concern —
it’s obsession.

And when someone refuses to stop, even after you’ve set boundaries,
that’s abusive behavior.

---

You’re not doing anything wrong

You’re living your life:

• no drinking
• no drugs
• you work
• you come home
• you mind your own business


You’re not provoking anything.
You’re not inviting anything.
You’re not causing anything.

You’re simply being targeted by someone who refuses to respect your space.
And you're still attacking God of the Bible and playing the victim.
 

MatthewG

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I don’t want anything to do with you.

Jack you are continually be abusive to me and think it’s okay.

And if I report you like I have before nothing gets done:

So… just leave me alone how hard is that?

What makes this abuse

Abuse isn’t only physical. It’s also patterns of behavior that violate your boundaries, wear down your sense of safety, and ignore your autonomy. What you described fits several recognized forms of emotional and psychological abuse.

---

1. Boundary violation

You told Jack clearly:

• “Leave me alone.”
• “I don’t want interaction.”
• “You’re on ignore.”


A healthy person respects that.

An abusive person pushes past it, keeps messaging, keeps inserting themselves, keeps trying to pull you into conversations you don’t want.

That’s not “sharing the Bible.”
That’s ignoring your autonomy.

---

2. Repetition that becomes harassment

You said he repeats the same things for months.

When someone:

• keeps contacting you after you’ve asked them not to
• repeats the same religious warnings or messages
• tries to pull you into the same argument over and over


That’s not “conversation.”
That’s harassment.

Harassment is a form of abuse.

---

3. Spiritual pressure / spiritual manipulation

When someone uses:

• scripture
• warnings
• fear
• “I’m just sharing the Bible”
• “you need to listen”


as a way to override your boundaries, that becomes spiritual abuse.

Spiritual abuse is when someone uses religious language or authority to:

• pressure
• guilt
• intimidate
• control
• or force engagement


You’re describing exactly that.

---

4. Dismissing your feelings

You said he “blows it off” every time.

Abusers often:

• minimize
• deflect
• pretend they didn’t do anything
• act innocent
• make you feel unreasonable for wanting space


That’s emotional invalidation, and it’s abusive.

---

5. Making you question yourself

You said:

• “I just need you to leave me alone.”
• “How hard is that?”
• “You don’t know how to leave people alone.”


When someone repeatedly violates your boundaries, it creates confusion:

• “Why won’t he stop?”
• “Is something wrong with me?”
• “Am I overreacting?”


That confusion is a symptom of being mistreated, not a cause.

---

Why this is abuse even if he thinks he’s being ‘religious’

Intent doesn’t erase impact.

If someone keeps pushing scripture at you after you’ve said “stop,”
that’s not evangelism —
it’s coercion.

If someone keeps contacting you after you’ve said “leave me alone,”
that’s not ministry —
it’s disrespect.

If someone keeps repeating the same warnings for months,
that’s not concern —
it’s obsession.

And when someone refuses to stop, even after you’ve set boundaries,
that’s abusive behavior.

---

You’re not doing anything wrong

You’re living your life:

• no drinking
• no drugs
• you work
• you come home
• you mind your own business


You’re not provoking anything.
You’re not inviting anything.
You’re not causing anything.

You’re simply being targeted by someone who refuses to respect your space.
 

Jack

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I don’t want anything to do with you.

Jack you are continually be abusive to me and think it’s okay.
That's a LIE. You're attacking Christianity! YOU are being abusive.
And if I report you like I have before nothing gets done:

So… just leave me alone how hard is that?
As far as I know it's not against the rules here to defend the Bible. If I see you or anyone here attack the Bible I will defend the Bible.
 

MatthewG

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It’s against the rules to be abusive or harass people.

What makes this abuse

Abuse isn’t only physical. It’s also patterns of behavior that violate your boundaries, wear down your sense of safety, and ignore your autonomy. What you described fits several recognized forms of emotional and psychological abuse.

---

1. Boundary violation

You told Jack clearly:

• “Leave me alone.”
• “I don’t want interaction.”
• “You’re on ignore.”


A healthy person respects that.

An abusive person pushes past it, keeps messaging, keeps inserting themselves, keeps trying to pull you into conversations you don’t want.

That’s not “sharing the Bible.”
That’s ignoring your autonomy.

---

2. Repetition that becomes harassment

You said he repeats the same things for months.

When someone:

• keeps contacting you after you’ve asked them not to
• repeats the same religious warnings or messages
• tries to pull you into the same argument over and over


That’s not “conversation.”
That’s harassment.

Harassment is a form of abuse.

---

3. Spiritual pressure / spiritual manipulation

When someone uses:

• scripture
• warnings
• fear
• “I’m just sharing the Bible”
• “you need to listen”


as a way to override your boundaries, that becomes spiritual abuse.

Spiritual abuse is when someone uses religious language or authority to:

• pressure
• guilt
• intimidate
• control
• or force engagement


You’re describing exactly that.

---

4. Dismissing your feelings

You said he “blows it off” every time.

Abusers often:

• minimize
• deflect
• pretend they didn’t do anything
• act innocent
• make you feel unreasonable for wanting space


That’s emotional invalidation, and it’s abusive.

---

5. Making you question yourself

You said:

• “I just need you to leave me alone.”
• “How hard is that?”
• “You don’t know how to leave people alone.”


When someone repeatedly violates your boundaries, it creates confusion:

• “Why won’t he stop?”
• “Is something wrong with me?”
• “Am I overreacting?”


That confusion is a symptom of being mistreated, not a cause.

---

Why this is abuse even if he thinks he’s being ‘religious’

Intent doesn’t erase impact.

If someone keeps pushing scripture at you after you’ve said “stop,”
that’s not evangelism —
it’s coercion.

If someone keeps contacting you after you’ve said “leave me alone,”
that’s not ministry —
it’s disrespect.

If someone keeps repeating the same warnings for months,
that’s not concern —
it’s obsession.

And when someone refuses to stop, even after you’ve set boundaries,
that’s abusive behavior.

---

You’re not doing anything wrong

You’re living your life:

• no drinking
• no drugs
• you work
• you come home
• you mind your own business


You’re not provoking anything.
You’re not inviting anything.
You’re not causing anything.

You’re simply being targeted by someone who refuses to respect your space.
 

MatthewG

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You’re literally harassing me… go away and leave me alone.