Christian Nationalism

[Wrangler]

@Wrangler and @Ziggy think that God needs some help in worldly events.

No. We need to help ourselves in worldly events, such is the meaning of so much Scripture: ask, seek, knock, buy a sword, give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, put God first AND all this will be given to you also, etc.

 

[amigo de christo]

You don't have to be "passive". Ask God for help to start with.....and there are lots of wise things one may do in a situation without sinning........use your imagination. Unless you are at rest in the Lord, in the spirit, then He may take over the situation for you or lead you in what to do. Jesus is alive, not dead. There are many testimonies. It sounds as though you have never experienced the Lord in this way.

It sure do sister .
And it sure seems many trust in a way that seems right to man but the end thereof be death .
IF our time is not up when our enemies come to kill us , BELIEVE YOU ME GOD GONNA MAKE A WAY
out for us to escape and it wont be b y our hands spilling their blood either .
There once lived a man
Who was arrested and detained in prison .
ONE night , JUST ALL OF a sudden , for that mans TIME WAS NOT YET UP ,
AN angel appeared , SUDDENLY HIS chains fell off
and he follow this angel outside .
THIS angel OPENED the gate and peter went out .
NOW years later , WHEN peters time was up , and he would be carried away , AS JESUS TOLD HIM HE WOULD ,
HE was not delivered , FOR HIS T IME was up .
IN OTHER WORDS , cant no man take the life of anyone , LEST GOD has already purposed their time is up .
IF NOT , OH THERE IS A WAY OUT , HIS NAME BE JESUS and IF even an angel has be to sent
THE WAY OUT will b e made .
SIMPLY TRUST IN GOD and make not thine arm , thy flesh they strength .
THE LORD IS IN CONTROL . I say again THE LORD is in CONTROL . we will not die
before our time and we cannot and will not continue on earth WHEN our time is up .
GOD ALONE is in control . and its time this people learned to TRUST IN HE and not in man or in themselves .

 

[David in NJ]

What in the world is an earthly demon? A demon is a demon and they have to flee at the name of Jesus. We are told to cast out demons. We don't do that with a physical sword, or a gun. It is done with the name, and the power of Jesus Christ.

Earthly demons are paranormal creatures that roam the earth, mostly under the cover of darkness.

These evil creatures were created in underground labs = "as in the days of Noah so shall the return of the Son of Man be"

 

[Wrangler]

Oh yes, He sure killed those tables dead didn't He? (shaking my head)

It's so odd the lengths you'll go to deny it is righteous to provide ourselves what we physically need.

 

[Wrangler]

Fleeing is not killing or maiming anybody. It isn't sin.

And neither is fighting or killing a sin. It is commanded in Scripture. You just want to equate fighting to mean only non-physical.

 

[Wrangler]

In realizing the overly-spiritualized are opposed to doing what is physically necessary, I notice Islamic clerics don't hesitate. Words will not stop the slaughter of Judeo-Christians.

Report: Iranian Clerics Urge Trump, Netanyahu Assassinations​

 

[TLHKAJ]

Earthly demons are paranormal creatures that roam the earth, mostly under the cover of darkness.

These evil creatures were created in underground labs = "as in the days of Noah so shall the return of the Son of Man be"

Right ...demons with a physical housing ...aka, nephilim, hybrids. I know about those, and have seen them.

 

[TLHKAJ]

In realizing the overly-spiritualized are opposed to doing what is physically necessary, I notice Islamic clerics don't hesitate. Words will not stop the slaughter of Judeo-Christians.

Report: Iranian Clerics Urge Trump, Netanyahu Assassinations​

So it's okay for Trump and Netanyahu to kill, but if someone else threatens to kill IN SELF DEFENSE ....THEN it's a sin.

I'm not advocating for death ...but you're living a double standard ...very deceptive and hypocritical.

 

[Justified]

And neither is fighting or killing a sin. It is commanded in Scripture.

Again, a perverse and wicked interpretation.

 

[mailmandan]

More Trump worshipping is being promoted.
The State Department is preparing a limited release of commemorative U.S. passports celebrating America’s 250th birthday that feature a picture of Donald Trump, who would be the first living president to be featured in the travel document.

All this "Trump promoting" starts to look a lot like what they did during 1930-40's Germany.

Alan Dershowitz: The Democrats Are Coming Close to What Socialists Said in 1932 Germany and Stalin’s Russia – The Party Has Already Been Blown Up * The Gateway Pundit * by Jim Hoft Alan Dershowitz: The Democrats Are Coming Close to What Socialists Said in 1932 Germany and Stalin’s Russia – The Party Has Already Been Blown Up * The Gateway Pundit * by Jim Hoft

 

[JimKnox]

I started reading this thread because the title piqued my interest.
I got to the end of page one and realized there are 32 pages!!! I am not going yo read all that nonsense.
So here is my two cents;
1. I am a Christian because I believe the Gospel as presented in 1 Cor 15:1-5 and Jesus saved my soul.
2. I am an American who loves his country and wants it to prosper.

I guess that makes me a Christian Nationalist.

The term "Christian Nationalist" has been co-opted by leftists as a pejorative in the attempt to make Christians = Nazis. I reject their lies. They are of Satan.

Everything else concerning this subject that does not address this is just static noise used by God's enemies to deflect from the Truth.

 

[Justified]

That was unnecessary.

What was unnecessary, showing what the discussion is about?

The point some insist upon is that God demands his faithful today to be completely passive in the face of violent offenders .

Perhaps you should seek clarification. It seems, as previously, there are two discussions: 1) whether or not killing is always wrong and 2) whether killing in self-defense or defense of others when being persecuted is wrong.

It is very worrying that some in this thread who claim to be followers of Christ seem so willing to kill others and it seems that they would do it for any reason they deem worth killing for.

That is not consistent with who God is.

Neither is the claim that God has commanded believers to kill others.

Furthermore, I think so e support Christian Nationalism for reasons of reinstalling morality and common decency into American culture.

Sure, some may believe that, but that clearly isn't going to work because they are going about it in unbiblical ways.

They perhaps don't realize true Christian Nationalism would mean America becomes a Christian Theocracy.

Which is never a good idea for any country whose people wish to remain free.

Agreed. I don't think they've really thought this through and it's largely because they don't seem to understand scripture.

 

[Justified]

I started reading this thread because the title piqued my interest.
I got to the end of page one and realized there are 32 pages!!! I am not going yo read all that nonsense.
So here is my two cents;
1. I am a Christian because I believe the Gospel as presented in 1 Cor 15:1-5 and Jesus saved my soul.
2. I am an American who loves his country and wants it to prosper.

I guess that makes me a Christian Nationalist.

The term "Christian Nationalist" has been co-opted by leftists as a pejorative in the attempt to make Christians = Nazis. I reject their lies. They are of Satan.

Everything else concerning this subject that does not address this is just static noise used by God's enemies to deflect from the Truth.

As I have stated at least a couple of time, "Christian Nationalism" is an oxymoron. First study what Nationalism actually is; wanting your country to prosper has little to do with Nationalism (every political ideology believes it will make a country prosper). Then read what "Christian Nationalists" are actually writing. Then see if you still want to claim to be a "Christian Nationalist."

 

[Wrangler]

you know, I doubt Jesus even touched anyone with His whip

Not relevant. He will ultimately solve the problem of evil by violently throwing people into the Lake of Fire. He’s destined to be the most violent person of all time and he is our role model.

Just because Jesus didn’t use deadly force one time, doesn’t mean he won’t or we shouldn’t when it is called for - like in establishing a Christian nation.

So it's okay for Trump and Netanyahu to kill, but if someone else threatens to kill IN SELF DEFENSE ....THEN it's a sin.

I'm not advocating for death ...but you're living a double standard ...very deceptive and hypocritical.

Agh, Projection! The Islamic Jihadi's can kill in self defense but not the Judeo-Christians.

 

[Wrangler]

'Democratic socialists?' Their own statements promote communism​

 

[Wrangler]

you know, I doubt Jesus even touched anyone with His whip

Not relevant. He will ultimately solve the problem of evil by violently throwing people into the Lake of Fire. He’s destined to be the most violent person of all time and he is our role model.

Just because Jesus didn’t use deadly force one time, doesn’t mean he won’t or we shouldn’t when it is called for - like in establishing a Christian nation.

 

[Triumph1300]

It is very worrying that some in this thread who claim to be followers of Christ seem so willing to kill others and it seems that they would do it for any reason they deem worth killing for.

Yes you should be worried about that!
They are among us.
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It's cult like.

 

[Justified]

Not relevant. He will ultimately solve the problem of evil by violently throwing people into the Lake of Fire. He’s destined to be the most violent person of all time and he is our role model.

Just because Jesus didn’t use deadly force one time, doesn’t mean he won’t or we shouldn’t when it is called for - like in establishing a Christian nation.

Wow! What an wicked, unbiblical post. Your continual ignoring of context has led you to an exceptionally poor understanding of scripture. I do not know how someone can claim to know Christ and Christ know him when holding to such unbiblical beliefs. I hope that God in his grace opens your eyes before it's too late.

 

[TLHKAJ]

So here is my two cents;
1. I am a Christian because I believe the Gospel as presented in 1 Cor 15:1-5 and Jesus saved my soul.
2. I am an American who loves his country and wants it to prosper.

I guess that makes me a Christian Nationalist.

The idea of "Christian nationalism" being pushed by the government and in this thread is far from what you just listed. (Which I also agree with #1 & #2 ....yet, I am not a "Christian nationalist.")

We cannot change hearts by forcing people to obey a set of rules. That's why Jesus came ....to change hearts. We're not called to force people to follow "Christian rules." We're called to spread the Gospel and each person has a choice in how they respond. The reason this world is in the condition it's in is because the Church by and large has lost its way, its first love ...its fire and fervency for the Lord. Somehow, they think "fire and fervency" means an iron fist and hammer.

Scripture bears this out, y'all .... JUDGMENT BEGINS at the house of God!

 

[Ziggy]

Just shaking my head..

When the church was first being formed it was in hostile territory.
A lot of the people were still trying to decide how are they going to survive this new Way?
They had the Religious Authority on one side and Rome's Occupation on the other.
Talk about a rock and a hard place.
Paul sent the churches which were mostly in peoples homes consolation and also directions as to how to live this new way.
They were up against a lot of opposition.
You stepped out of line you were either stoned or crucified or fed to the lions as sport.

That was 2000 years ago.
Or perhaps 2 days as the Lord counts time sometimes. A day is as a thousand years.
The world has changed a lot since then.
The Church has grown, it's not the woman in the wilderness ready to give birth, It's already born now.
The foundations have been set.
And today we are building upon that foundation.

Up until 250 years ago, most of Christianity had been under oppression whether by a Pope or a King.
Again, a rock and a hard place.

A lot of these manage to escape and climb aboard ships that would bring them to a new land, a new world.
Where they could live the way Paul had given instructions, and the Bible as it's guide. Both old and new.
They were allowed to have their own bibles, and for the blessing of the printing press was able to hear the Word of God for themselves.
In 1776 America decided in order to have religious freedom from persecution from the Holy See, and be surfs to the King,
they fought a revolution to be Free and have Liberty to live the way the Kingdom of God should manifest itself in the world.
A light on the hill.

Today, we are coming under attack of losing all those things they fought for, traversed the Ocean for, learned to survive in a world they never been.
And this Nation made up of many Christians who fled persecution settled in and learned to defend what God had given them.

Tomorrow there may be no places of worship except those that are allowed. You won't be able to live the Christian life, you will have to bow down and live under other gods.
Your God given Rights will be taken from you. Your freedom will disappear. The Constitution will be no more than kindling for the fire.

All those things that made America great, will be another page in history long gone.

That's why we fight.
Because this country is a gift from God, and we won't let them take it from us.

We will not sell out our birthright like Esau did, just because we are at the brink of death, we will not Die.
We will Live Under God as One Nation, with Liberty and Justice for All.
And we will not compromise.

Too many sacrificed their lives so that we could be free.
And though they went before us, we will meet up again and we will sing the song of Victory!

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