Actually Jesus returns twice...

[CrowCross]

Yes i do

That's nice.

NEXT

 

[David in NJ]

That's nice.

NEXT

Are you open to hearing the words of the LORD???

 

[CrowCross]

Are you open to hearing the words of the LORD???

I'm not interested in hearing that which has tickled your ears.

So, back to this...you said...."CHRIST warned us of the false teaching of pre-trib rapture in His Gospel"
I asked you for this verse....you punted the football with..."Yes i do"

Now, you either have the verse or you don't. You, you, you said you do. Do you actually have the verse Jesus spoke?

 

[rebuilder 454]

We won't be going on that because we believe it will be a false rapture designed to deceive. We believe it may be the falling away/departarting Paul wrote of.

The :"one taken one left" preflood of mat 24?

 

[rebuilder 454]

I'm not interested in hearing that which has tickled your ears.

So, back to this...you said...."CHRIST warned us of the false teaching of pre-trib rapture in His Gospel"
I asked you for this verse....you punted the football with..."Yes i do"

Now, you either have the verse or you don't. You, you, you said you do. Do you actually have the verse Jesus spoke?

He will suck you into going personal.
He trolls end times threads with crazy personal attacks.
Put him on ignore.
Poisonous spews are tedious.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes it would be unpleasant. Unlike you, I don't want to go through this wrath of God. You seem to looking forward to taking the mark.

SI is Another troll.
Again they go personal. And hate on the brethren.
He is amil, wich is a different bible.
Way way off.
Like a pack of thugs they attack any challenges together made up mess.
Put him and David on ignore.

 

[ewq1938]

Where did Jesus warn us about the false teaching of the pre-trib rapture?
Do you have a verse that say that?

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.

 

[CrowCross]

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.

You do know you removed that scripture from the narrative presented by Jesus and made it into a narrative about denying the pre-trib rapture? Be careful. Don't twist.
Secondly the bible speaks of a rapture where people are taken out of the world...do you even deny the rapture?

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not interested in hearing that which has tickled your ears.

So, back to this...you said...."CHRIST warned us of the false teaching of pre-trib rapture in His Gospel"
I asked you for this verse....you punted the football with..."Yes i do"

Now, you either have the verse or you don't. You, you, you said you do. Do you actually have the verse Jesus spoke?

#1 - LISTEN to CHRIST

#2 - BELIEVE His Prophecy
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you ahead of time

#3 - turn away from pre-trib rapture = the 'ear-tickler'

 

[rebuilder 454]

Who says the virgins were representing saved people?

1..virgin = pure , undefined, set apart,
2...they were waiting for Jesus.
3...they had lamps...Light
4...they had oil..the Holy Spirit.
5...they ask for more oil. And were almost given it by the cause virgins, in fact they would have, except for "timing"

They were without a doubt born again but foolish

 

[CrowCross]

#1 - LISTEN to CHRIST

I do.

#2 - BELIEVE His Prophecy
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you ahead of time

After the rapture there will be people saved...the elect...in the tibulation.

#3 - turn away from pre-trib rapture = the 'ear-tickler'

Why? The bible clearly teaches it.

 

[CrowCross]

1..virgin = pure , undefined, set apart,
2...they were waiting for Jesus.
3...they had lamps...Light
4...they had oil..the Holy Spirit.
5...they ask for more oil. And were almost given it by the cause virgins, in fact they would have, except for "timing"

They were without a doubt born again but foolish

Those virgins mentioned were "pew warmers" so to speak.
6...they didn't have the ability to trim their wicks.

 

[ScottA]

Actually Jesus returns twice...

Acts 1:
11“Men of Galilee,” they said, “why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen Him go into heaven.”

In verse 9 we see a description....9 After He had said this, they watched as He was taken up, and a cloud hid Him from their sight.

In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event.
16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Jesus simply ascended into the clouds...nothing spectacular. At the resurrection rapture event Jesus returns in the clouds the same way He left.

When we get to Rev 19 we see a different description of the return of Jesus....
11 Then I saw heaven standing open, and there before me was a white horse. And its rider is called Faithful and True. With righteousness He judges and wages war. 12 He has eyes like blazing fire, and many royal crowns on His head. He has a name written on Him that only He Himself knows. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and His name is The Word of God.

In Mark 16:19–20; Luke 24:50–53 there is no mention of a white horse. if Jesus ascended into heaven on a white horse surely Luke or Mark would have mentioned it.

There are obviously 2 returns as two distinctly different description are provided in the bible to read.

The pre-trib return...
In Luke 17 Jesus provides a description and relates it to the days of Noah and Lot
26 Just as it was in the days of Noah, so also will it be in the days of the Son of Man: 27 People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark. Then the flood came and destroyed them all.
28 It was the same in the days of Lot: People were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building. 29 But on the day Lot left Sodom, fire and sulfur rained down from heaven and destroyed them all.

Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

You have tried to convince people of this here before.

But just because you see the two as different, doesn't mean they are. It is simply one event revealed from two different perspectives, one from a worldly perspective, and the other from a heavenly perspective. When the scales are removed from the eyes--they are one and the same.

More later...

 

[David in NJ]

I do.

After the rapture there will be people saved...the elect...in the tibulation.

Why? The bible clearly teaches it.

You slipped down the slippery slope by adding to God's words what HE never said.

Read the LORD"s Prophecy again and never add a single word to it nor take a single word from it.

BELIEVE His Prophecy = WARNING of the false pre-trib rapture
If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened.
At that time if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Messiah!’ or, ‘There he is!’ do not believe it.
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
See, I have told you ahead of time

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

30At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and all the tribes of the earth will mourn.
They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31And He will send out His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

 

[CrowCross]

You have tried to convince people of this here before.

But just because you see the two as different, doesn't mean they are. It is simply one event revealed from two different perspectives, one from a worldly perspective, and the other from a heavenly perspective. When the scales are removed from the eyes--they are one and the same.

More later...

Ant you're trying to convince people here there is no pre-trib rapture.

You speak of two perspectives...but to be honest if Jesus left on a white horse I don't think Luke a detailed historian would have left it out.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Those virgins mentioned were "pew warmers" so to speak.
6...they didn't have the ability to trim their wicks.

More or less .....yes

 

[CrowCross]

Immediately after the tribulation of those days:

‘The sun will be darkened,

and the moon will not give its light;

the stars will fall from the sky,

and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.’

Yes, you're correct....
This doesn't mean there won't be a pre-trib rapture.

 

[CrowCross]

More or less .....yes

Parables are deep truth....and everyone thinks they understand them.

In fact I tire of hearing about the prodigal son. Every sermon on that topic are similar but different.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, you're correct....
This doesn't mean there won't be a pre-trib rapture.

God made it very simple for us to find out and know = Matthew 4:4

When we abide under Matthew 4:4 we are set free from every doctrine of men.

Simply follow Christ's Commandment/Matt 4:4 and then post the scripture where GOD Said: I will pre-trib rapture My Elect/Church/Saints

 

[rebuilder 454]

John 17:15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them [tereo ek] from the evil one.

Jesus did not pray that God would take people out of this world to keep them from the evil one. That means Jesus does not approve of rapturing people out of this world to protect them from the evil one. Since Jesus does not approve of that then why do you (anyone reading that believes in a pre-trib rapture that takes people out of this world to keep them from the evil one) support such a concept?

No one is going to be taken out of the world so they can be "kept" from the evil one. That's not how God does things. The rapture is not an exception to that.

Anyone teaching a Pre-trib rapture is going directly against the teaching of Jesus in the above verse.

....and yet lot, Noah, the baby Jesus, were all removed.
The ones taken/removed in mat 24.
The wise virgins taken to the marriage chamber.
The 2 escape (Removal) verses by JESUS.
So maybe the bible got it wrong.