Actually Jesus returns twice...

[CrowCross]

Yes, but he never says he takes anyone back to heaven. He returns and stays here.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Why would Jesus build a dwelling for us in heaven...then return and never take us there?

So where is Christ after "I will come again and receive you unto myself"? Earth. He is no longer in heaven.

In Rev 19 the church returns with Jesus...
14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.

In order to do that they had to be in heaven...which they are being raptured prior to the tribulation.

 

[CrowCross]

i am not fond of 'theologians'

Should I be fond of your man made eschatology?

 

[David in NJ]

Should I be fond of your man made eschatology?

Always protect yourself and think before you speak.

#1 - In order to make a claim or pass an accusation you must FIRST provide your evidence.

#2 - You then must allow the evidence to be examined by all involved

#3 - The 'evidence' is then presented before GOD the Judge who has already concluded the outcome of said 'evidence'

#4 - Parties either agree or disagree with GOD the Judge

#5 - Agreement with God/Judge yields SAVING correction and BLESSING which brings MERCY and PEACE and UNDERSTANDING

#6 - Refusal brings Judgment

#7 - Always agree with GOD the Judge

 

[ScottA]

Ant you're trying to convince people here there is no pre-trib rapture.

You speak of two perspectives...but to be honest if Jesus left on a white horse I don't think Luke a detailed historian would have left it out.

Do you see what you have just said?

But no, I am not "trying to convince people here." I am acting within what is given to me to reveal what is actually true, with Authority.

And what you "think" is only good if it is true, and it is not.

Picking up from there, the difference with the horse, is that Revelations 19:11--"heaven opened" and that is what John saw. But of Acts 1:9, to the contrary, it says "a cloud hid Him from their sight." That is why I told you that Christ does not return two times, but there is merely two perspectives that are presented in the scriptures--one not showing the heavenly view, and one that does.

 

[CrowCross]

Always protect yourself and think before you speak.

#1 - In order to make a claim or pass an accusation you must FIRST provide your evidence.

#2 - You then must allow the evidence to be examined by all involved

#3 - The 'evidence' is then presented before GOD the Judge who has already concluded the outcome of said 'evidence'

#4 - Parties either agree or disagree with GOD the Judge

#5 - Agreement with God/Judge yields SAVING correction and BLESSING which brings MERCY and PEACE and UNDERSTANDING

#6 - Refusal brings Judgment

#7 - Always agree with GOD the Judge

You never made it past #1

 

[CrowCross]

Do you see what you have just said?

But no, I am not "trying to convince people here." I am acting within what is given to me to reveal what is actually true, with Authority.

And what you "think" is only good if it is true, and it is not.

Picking up from there, the difference with the horse, is that Revelations 19:11--"heaven opened" and that is what John saw. But of Acts 1:9, to the contrary, it says "a cloud hid Him from their sight." That is why I told you that Christ does not return two times, but there is merely two perspectives that are presented in the scriptures--one not showing the heavenly view, and one that does.

I simply read the bible and don't try to shoehorn a white horse into Acts 1.

Christ returns twice.

 

[ScottA]

I simply read the bible and don't try to shoehorn a white horse into Acts 1.

Christ returns twice.

Simply reading--you are not being wiser than the serpent. You're not alone, that sort of error oversight is epidemic.

Regardless, you show yourself as not having any authority to say. So be it. Believe what you will.

 

[David in NJ]

You never made it past #1

LOL

You are running from the Truth again!!!

 

[CrowCross]

Simply reading--you are not being wiser than the serpent. You're not alone, that sort of error oversight is epidemic.

Regardless, you show yourself as not having any authority to say. So be it. Believe what you will.

I will believe what I will. Let me say it again....JESUS DIDN'T LEAVE ON A WHITE HORSE. Period.

 

[CrowCross]

LOL

You are running from the Truth again!!!

....Long sigh.

 

[ScottA]

I will believe what I will. Let me say it again....JESUS DIDN'T LEAVE ON A WHITE HORSE. Period.

So shall it be bound, so shall it be written.

 

[David in NJ]

....Long sigh.

ah, the delish of mess of man's own intellect

how sweet is the treat
for those who tweet
from within their own cranium

what comes around
goes around
round and round
within the cranium bound

But for those whose desire is Higher
We sit at the Feet of Him who is Brighter
Listening intently to the Voice of Light
when He Speaks and our hearts Delight

 

[Truth7t7]

In 1 Thes 4 we read about the resurrection/rapture (caught up) event. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise. 17After that, we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will always be with the Lord.

Yes the resurrection and (catching up/rapture) takes place on (The Last Day) just as Jesus Christ taught below, it won't be anytime before it, as you and those following dispensationalism falsely teach

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

 

[ewq1938]

Why would Jesus build a dwelling for us in heaven...then return and never take us there?

For those who die and go to heaven but death end at the second coming for the Saved. The saved dead will be brought from heaven by Christ at the second coming. Heaven is just a temporary place for the saved dead to dwell until the second coming and resurrection.

In Rev 19 the church returns with Jesus...

Yes, the dead come with Jesus and the living will be raptured to the clouds to join that same Rev 19 army.

14 And the armies of heaven, arrayed in fine linen, white and pure, were following him on white horses.

In order to do that they had to be in heaven...which they are being raptured prior to the tribulation.

Sure, the saved dead are in heaven right now and will have a physical resurrection at the second coming, while the rapture is the last of those 3 events.

 

[CrowCross]

Yes the resurrection and (catching up/rapture) takes place on (The Last Day) just as Jesus Christ taught below, it won't be anytime before it, as you and those following dispensationalism falsely teach

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:23-24KJV
23 Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again.
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Last day of this dispensation.

 

[CrowCross]

Hey Luke, if Jesus ascended on a white horse why didn't you write about it?

Luke replied back with....Jesus didn't ascend on a white horse.

Hey John....where in your vision of the end of the tribulation were people eating, drinking, marrying, planting crops, buying and selling?

John replied back with.....they wern't. That happened in the beginning of the tribulation.

 

[Truth7t7]

Last day of this dispensation.

Your Claim Is "False"

(The Last Day) is the day of final judgement (The End) just as Jesus taught below

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

[CrowCross]

Your Claim Is "False"

(The Last Day) is the day of final judgement (The End) just as Jesus taught below

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Do you think day is a 24 hour long time period?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, but he never says he takes anyone back to heaven. He returns and stays here.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you." that is regarding those who die while Christ is in heaven. Jesus will eventually leave heaven: "I will come again". That is the second coming and here is the important thing: "I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


So where is Christ after "I will come again and receive you unto myself"? Earth. He is no longer in heaven.


"I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


This is what Jesus said. This is what some think he said:


"I will come again and receive you unto myself AND TAKE YOU BACK TO HEAVEN; that where I am, there ye may be also."


He also did NOT say, "I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I USED TO BE, there ye may be also."

He never said when he came back, that he was taking anyone to heaven. He comes again to Earth and where he is on Earth is where the church will be.

Also in the same chapter:

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Christ isn't returning to take anyone up to heaven to live with him and the Father but the opposite! The Father and Christ will end up coming here to make their abode on Earth with us! That's the opposite of the false pre-trib teaching!

Your uturn back to earth is made up big time.

In rev 19 the saints are in heaven and the bride is now the wife.
Meaning the marriage supper is over and was in heaven.
Then you misquoted Jesus saying "where i am you may be also."
You twisted it.
In the virgin parable the bride goes into the marriage chamber.
In your model they do a uturn back to the bride's house.
Jesus said in my Father's house are many mansions. I go and prepare a place for you.
Jesus said " i will not drink of the cup again until I drink it anew with you, in my Father's kingdom".

The one coming error made you twist all of that.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, but he never says he takes anyone back to heaven. He returns and stays here.

Joh 14:2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
Joh 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.


Jesus said, "I go to prepare a place for you." that is regarding those who die while Christ is in heaven. Jesus will eventually leave heaven: "I will come again". That is the second coming and here is the important thing: "I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


So where is Christ after "I will come again and receive you unto myself"? Earth. He is no longer in heaven.


"I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."


This is what Jesus said. This is what some think he said:


"I will come again and receive you unto myself AND TAKE YOU BACK TO HEAVEN; that where I am, there ye may be also."


He also did NOT say, "I will come again and receive you unto myself; that where I USED TO BE, there ye may be also."

He never said when he came back, that he was taking anyone to heaven. He comes again to Earth and where he is on Earth is where the church will be.

Also in the same chapter:

Joh 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.


Christ isn't returning to take anyone up to heaven to live with him and the Father but the opposite! The Father and Christ will end up coming here to make their abode on Earth with us! That's the opposite of the false pre-trib teaching!

Taking verses and twisting them are we?

Here it is in CONTEXT.
JN 14
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

Uh huh.
You do all that for your one coming debacle????
Wow