Daniels (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) A Future Living Human Man Who Will Be Destroyed By The Lord Jesus At His Second Coming

[Truth7t7]

It's my opinion that Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) all represent the very same future human man that has a literal body that dies or is destroyed, this future individual human man is also referred to as (The Antichrist) by many as a catch all phrase for the 3 names

(The Beast Was Slain/Killed) And (His Body Destroyed) And Given To (The Burning Flame/Lake Of Fire) Personal Pronoun "His"

Daniel's (The Little Horn)
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Man Of Sin, Destroyed By The Lord At His Coming, Personal Pronouns "He" "His" "Him" "Himself"

Paul's (Man Of Sin)
2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(The Beast) & (The False Prophet) will be human men and they will be cast living into the lake of fire Rev 19:20, Personal Pronouns "He" "His" "Him"

(The Dragon/Satan) will give his power to (The Beast) Rev 13:4 two separate beings

John's (The Beast)
Revelation 13:3-8KJV
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

(These Both Were Cast Alive/Living) Two Separate Beings

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Douggg]

@Truth7t7

What you have noted about the catch phrase for those three designations (the little horn, the revealed man of sin, the beast) as being "the Antichrist" - just about everyone uses the term the Antichrist in that manner, I agree.

However, being the Antichrist is only for the time period that the person is the Jews' King of Israel, thought-to -be messiah.

The little horn shall come into the middle east following the Gog/Magog event with a strong army on the premise of keeping peace in the region following the destruction of Gog's army. The Jews will mistakenly think he is their long awaited King of Israel, messiah. And the false prophet will anoint him the King of Israel - thus the person becomes the Antichrist at that point.

Take a look at this chart. The five stages of the little horn person are in blue on the chart.

the little horn, the prince that shall come, the Antichrist, the revealed man of sin, the beast-king

 

[shepherdsword]

It's my opinion that Daniel's (Little Horn) Paul's (Man Of Sin) John's (The Beast) all represent the very same future human man that has a literal body that dies or is destroyed, this future individual human man is also referred to as (The Antichrist) by many as a catch all phrase for the 3 names

(The Beast Was Slain/Killed) And (His Body Destroyed) And Given To (The Burning Flame/Lake Of Fire) Personal Pronoun "His"

Daniel's (The Little Horn)
Daniel 7:8-11KJV
8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

Man Of Sin, Destroyed By The Lord At His Coming, Personal Pronouns "He" "His" "Himself"

Paul's (Man Of Sin)
2 Thessalonians 2:3-9KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

(The Beast) & (The False Prophet) will be human men and they will be cast living into the lake of fire Rev 19:20, Personal Pronouns "He" "Him"

(The Dragon/Satan) will give his power to (The Beast) Rev 13:4 two separate beings

John's (The Beast)
Revelation 13:3-8KJV
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

(These Both Were Cast Alive/Living) Two Separate Beings

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

I agree. However, the "beast" is also the beast (or EIGHTH) kingdom that shall arise. Revived Rome is the 7th kingdom. When the antichrist emerges from the 10 horns (little horn) he will overthrow 3 of the 10 kings and that will be Revived Greece, the EIGHTH kingdom.

 

[Douggg]

(The Beast) & (The False Prophet) will be human men and they will be cast living into the lake of fire Rev 19:20, Personal Pronouns "He" "Him"

correct.

(The Dragon/Satan) will give his power to (The Beast) Rev 13:4 two separate beings

correct.

 

[Douggg]

I agree. However, the "beast" is also the beast (or EIGHTH) kingdom that shall arise. Revived Rome is the 7th kingdom. When the antichrist emerges from the 10 horns (little horn) he will overthrow 3 of the 10 kings and that will be Revived Greece, the EIGHTH kingdom.

Greece is a member of the EU, since 1981. The EU is the end times Roman Empire.

Revelation 17:10-11 is referring to kings, not kingdoms, of the Roman Empire.

The little horn person will be king 7 in verse 10. Then after being killed and come back to life, he becomes the beast - king 8 in verse 11.

Revelation 17:10
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree. However, the "beast" is also the beast (or EIGHTH) kingdom that shall arise. Revived Rome is the 7th kingdom. When the antichrist emerges from the 10 horns (little horn) he will overthrow 3 of the 10 kings and that will be Revived Greece, the EIGHTH kingdom.

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

 

[shepherdsword]

Greece is a member of the EU, since 1981. The EU is the end times Roman Empire.

The beast kingdom cannot be Rome because the beast kingdom "was not" at the time of John...yet Rome was. He shall arise from the 7th (Rome) and shall establish the 8th (Greece)

Rv 17:10-11
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth(Revived GREECE), and is of the seven,(ROME) and goeth into perdition.

Greece as part of the 7th (Rome), will also be part of the 8th (revived Rome)

 

[shepherdsword]

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

Any Muslim who forsakes God could be said to forsake the God of his fathers as well. Abraham was also the father of Ishmael

 

[Douggg]

Rv 17:10-11
And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space. And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

"the beast that was (as king 7), and is not (then is killed), even he is the eighth (king 8, when he comes back of life).

 

[Douggg]

The Future Human Man, The Antichrist Seen Below In (Daniel) 11:37 Will Be A Hebrew/Jew In Decent, His Fathers Worshipped The True Hebrew (God Of His Fathers)

(Daniel) 11:37KJV
37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all.

Examples: God Of His Fathers

(2 Kings) 21:22KJV
22 And he forsook the Lord God of his fathers, and walked not in the way of the Lord.

(2 Chronicles) 21:10KJV
10 So the Edomites revolted from under the hand of Judah unto this day. The same time also did Libnah revolt from under his hand; because he had forsaken the Lord God of his fathers.

correct, he will be a Jew. He has to be a Jew in order for the Jews to mistakenly embrace him as their long awaited King of Israel messiah.

 

[shepherdsword]

"the beast that was (as king 7), and is not (then is killed),

No, you need to look at the grammar. It was referring to a kingdom that was presently "was not"

even he is the eighth (king 8, when he comes back of life).

The 8th or revived Greece is formed after the little horn over comes three kings and reestablishes it as a dictatorship.

Da 7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

 

[Truth7t7]

Any Muslim who forsakes God could be said to forsake the God of his fathers as well. Abraham was also the father of Ishmael

The future antichrist will be a Jew/Hebrew as described, the future antichrist will be received by the Jews/Judaism as their awaited upon Messiah as they rejected Jesus Christ, this Messiah must be in the lineage of David coming from the lineage of Issac Abraham's son

The Jews in Israel will never receive a "Muslim" as their awaited upon Messiah, let alone the "Quran" being their holy scripture, "ain't gonna happen"

Chabad.org

What is the belief in Moshiach?​

One of the principles of Jewish faith enumerated by Maimonides is that one day there will arise a dynamic Jewish leader, a direct descendant of the Davidic dynasty, who will rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem, and gather Jews from all over the world and bring them back to the Land of Israel.

All the nations of the world will recognize Moshiach to be a world leader, and will accept his dominion. In the messianic era there will be world peace, no more wars nor famine, and, in general, a high standard of living.

All mankind will worship one G‑d, and live a more spiritual and moral way of life. The Jewish nation will be preoccupied with learning Torah and fathoming its secrets.

The coming of Moshiach will complete G‑d’s purpose in creation: for man to make an abode for G‑d in the lower worlds—that is, to reveal the inherent spirituality in the material world.

 

[shepherdsword]

The future antichrist will be a Jew/Hebrew as described, the future antichrist will be received by the Jews/Judaism as their awaited upon Messiah as they rejected Jesus Christ, this Messiah must be in the lineage of David coming from the lineage of Issac Abraham's son

The Jews in Israel will never receive a "Muslim" as their awaited upon Messiah, let alone the Koran being their holy scripture, "ain't gonna happen"

They were just about to anoint Trump as Messiah a little while back. Never underestimate the power of deception. It has gay liberals supporting a religion that will kill them all when it comes to global power. The non believing jews will be just as susceptible.

 

[Truth7t7]

They were just about to anoint Trump as Messiah a little while back. Never underestimate the power of deception. It has gay liberals supporting a religion that will kill them all when it comes to global power. The non believing jews will be just as susceptible.

Thanks for the response, I will stick with the very clear scripture, and "God Of His Fathers" doesn't pertain to grasping at straws for a Muslim Antichrist, it's basic common sense

There are many hard core Orthodox Jews in Israel and around this world, there are many deceived Christian Zionist also, they for sure aren't going to receive the Muslim theory, let alone the entire world

It's my opinion that this false Christ will be presented to the apostate Christian world as Jesus Christ literally returned in Jerusalem to start a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, and it's not going to be a Muslim holding a Quran, we disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

 

[shepherdsword]

Thanks for the response, I will stick with the very clear scripture, and "God Of His Fathers" doesn't pertain to grasping at straws for a Muslim Antichrist, it's basic common sense

There are many hard core Orthodox Jews in Israel and around this world, there are many deceived Christian Zionist also, they for sure aren't going to receive the Muslim theory, let alone the entire world

It's my opinion that this false Christ will be presented to the apostate Christian world as Jesus Christ literally returned in Jerusalem to start a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, and it's not going to be a Muslim holding a Quran, we disagree

Jesus Is The Lord

The antichrist will also have to be accepted as the Muslim "Mahdi" and they will never accept a Jew. The antichrist also makes a seven year peace with Israel, thus proving he will not be a jew. Nope, it's a Muslim who will forsake the god of Abraham.

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings Truth7t7,

It's my opinion that this false Christ will be presented to the apostate Christian world as Jesus Christ literally returned in Jerusalem to start a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth

I consider that the Antichrist system is the Papacy and this can be established from a proper understanding of Daniel 7 where the RCC had power for 1260 years from Justinian in 529-533 AD to the French Revolution in 1789 and Phocas 610 AD to the loss of the Papal States in 1870. During this time they persecuted the faithful and had jurisdiction over the three Papal States. Their power was diminished with the French Revolution and the events of 1870. The Papacy will oppose Jesus when he returns to Jerusalem and it appears that many Evangelicals and Pentecostals who have swallowed the Jesuit teaching on this subject will join with the Papacy and his opposition to Jesus.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Truth7t7]

The antichrist will also have to be accepted as the Muslim "Mahdi" and they will never accept a Jew. The antichrist also makes a seven year peace with Israel, thus proving he will not be a jew. Nope, it's a Muslim who will forsake the god of Abraham.

We Disagree

The future Antichrist (The Beast) will be revealed to the world with (The False Prophet) calling fire down from the heavens before him, it's going to be a worldwide event and no secret, by these false miracles he will "Deceive" the world into Taking the mark and worshipping the image (Reader Beware)

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

 

[Douggg]

It's my opinion that this false Christ will be presented to the apostate Christian world as Jesus Christ literally returned in Jerusalem to start a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth, and it's not going to be a Muslim holding a Quran, we disagree

I agree that the person will be a Jew (who is not a Muslim).

But I don't think that the person will claim to be Jesus at any time.

The person will disclaim that Jesus is the messiah. i.e. "anti" - instead of and against - Jesus the True Christ.

(great thread, btw, because understanding about the person, will help identify who he is, before he becomes the Antichrist.)

 

[Truth7t7]

The Papacy will oppose Jesus when he returns to Jerusalem and it appears that many Evangelicals and Pentecostals who have swallowed the Jesuit teaching on this subject will join with the Papacy and his opposition to Jesus.

Kind regards
Trevor

Thanks for the response Trevor, we disagree

Jesus won't return to Jerusalem as claimed, the Papacy or Pope isn't the Antichrist nor going to be

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Douggg]

The Papacy will oppose Jesus when he returns to Jerusalem and it appears that many Evangelicals and Pentecostals who have swallowed the Jesuit teaching on this subject will join with the Papacy and his opposition to Jesus.

Trevor, the Papacy won't even be around when Jesus returns.

In Revelation 17:16, the Vatican is going to be burnt to the ground.