Actually Jesus returns twice...

[The Light]

They have been opened

Daniel 12
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

No seal have been opened. They will not be opened until the Church is in heaven. Rev 4,5,6

If the seals were opened, we would know who the rider on the white horse is as it would already have happened.

 

[Davidpt]

They have been opened

Daniel 12
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

I agree. But what do you make of the following, though?

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Why is it forbidden for us to know what the 7 thunders said? When will we know what they said? I'm not asking this as if I know the answers myself. I certainly don't. But that doesn't mean there can't be others who might have insight into this, thus have a solution.

 

[Marty fox]

No seal have been opened. They will not be opened until the Church is in heaven. Rev 4,5,6

If the seals were opened, we would know who the rider on the white horse is as it would already have happened.

Through the book of Daniel, John in the verse I provided is telling you that your interpretation is wrong.

That's how we figure out the true interpretation of the scriptures, we put all of the clues together

 

[CrowCross]

There is a 7 year covenant with many that is made that begins the final week. Nothing there says the final week is a 7 year tribulation.

Then believe whatever you want to believe.

NEXT

 

[Marty fox]

I agree. But what do you make of the following, though?

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Why is it forbidden for us to know what the 7 thunders said? When will we know what they said? I'm not asking this as if I know the answers myself. I certainly don't. But that doesn't mean there can't be others who might have insight into this, thus have a solution.

First, we need to figure out what the mystery of God is.

Romans 11.25; Ephesians 3.4-6; Colossians 1.27, tells us what it is. The angel standing on the land and the sea symbolically describes the answer, that the Jews (the land) and the gentiles (the sea) are being united in the church the kingdom of God and that the united is almost complete and will be completed at the sound of the 7th trumpet.

I think that the scroll may be the date when it will be complete or a symbolic representation of John being given the book of revelation prophecy

 

[David in NJ]

I agree. But what do you make of the following, though?

Revelation 10:4 And when the seven thunders had uttered their voices, I was about to write: and I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Seal up those things which the seven thunders uttered, and write them not.

Why is it forbidden for us to know what the 7 thunders said? When will we know what they said? I'm not asking this as if I know the answers myself. I certainly don't. But that doesn't mean there can't be others who might have insight into this, thus have a solution.

Why is it forbidden for us to know what the 7 thunders said?

Why is that a problem to you???

 

[Davidpt]

Why is that a problem to you???

One can't be curious about something? I do not sit around the house dwelling on that verse. Nor do I lose sleep over it wondering why it was sealed. It simply came to mind after @Marty fox submitted the following---Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

Except what the 7 thunders uttered is doing the exact opposite, it is sealing something, not unsealing something.

BTW, why did you feel the need to write that in big letters like that? What is that you think I have done wrong here?

 

[David in NJ]

One can't be curious about something? I do not sit around the house dwelling on that verse. Nor do I lose sleep over it wondering why it was sealed. It simply came to mind after @Marty fox submitted the following---Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

Except what the 7 thunders uttered is doing the exact opposite, it is sealing something, not unsealing something.

BTW, why do you feel the need to write that in big letters like that? What is that you think I have done wrong here?

lol - i use big letters for emphasis on subject matter = which is neutral

Curious??? - include myself in that also!!!

the 7 thunders uttered is doing the exact opposite, it is sealing something, not unsealing something.

"unsealed back to sealed" = Revelation does tell us why and what the outcome will be

All of Scripture is 'sealed' and can only be unsealed by the LORD
Written words of Scripture become unsealed and yet sealed at the same time - kapish

 

[The Light]

Then believe whatever you want to believe.

NEXT

I think I will go with the Word of God as usual. You were unable to address any scripture that was presented which disproved your contention that there was a 7 year tribulation.

 

[The Light]

Through the book of Daniel, John in the verse I provided is telling you that your interpretation is wrong.

That's how we figure out the true interpretation of the scriptures, we put all of the clues together

Ok, who is the rider on the white horse that went forth conquering and to conquer?

 

[CrowCross]

I think I will go with the Word of God as usual. You were unable to address any scripture that was presented which disproved your contention that there was a 7 year tribulation.

As I said....believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[David in NJ]

As I said....believe whatever you want to believe.

Your comment reminds me of Genesis 3:1-5

But then that fits perfectly with the false prophecy of pre-trib rapture..............!!!

 

[The Light]

As I said....believe whatever you want to believe.

As I said, I will believe the Word of God.

I showed the scripture that says from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messian the prince is 69 weeks of 7 years. Then the 70 week begins and Messiah is cut off after 3.5 years. So FACT, the 70 week of Daniel does not remain. There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel..........time, times and half a time.

You see, I'm going to believe the Word of God. It is you that can believe anything that you want to believe as you obviously do not believe the written Word of God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What are you talking about? There are many believers that are killed in the great tribulation.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation.

Then part of Israel will have its eyes opened and will become believers. These are some of the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Believers will be in the great tribulation. Here is the great tribulation.

Revelation 14
13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

Believers are not appointed to wrath.

The great tribulation is when the dragon is killing believers. The wrath of God is when God is taking vengeance on unbelievers.

Until you understand the difference between the great tribulation and wrath of God you will not understand end times.

"Goes through" (as in completely through to the end)
Of course they are killed.
They CAN GO THROUGH by taking the mark.
That is the purpose of the Tribulation.
It ends the church age, and Jacobs trouble begins.

 

[rebuilder 454]

They have been opened

Daniel 12
4 But you, Daniel, roll up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge.”

Revelation 22
10 Then he told me, “Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this scroll, because the time is near.

If 1000 yrs is as a day to God...then your "near" And God's " near" are totally different.

Two "days" before the rapture would extremely very "near".

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is a 7 year covenant with many that is made that begins the final week. Nothing there says the final week is a 7 year tribulation.

Also, nothing says that the seven year covenant with many is confirmed by the AC when it is made.

There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.........time, times and half a time.

When was the temple descecrated.?
When did the white horseman come and go?

Daniel was mistaken, when he said, at the halfway point of the week, ( 7 yrs), the AC descecrates the temple?

 

[rebuilder 454]

There is a 7 year covenant with many that is made that begins the final week. Nothing there says the final week is a 7 year tribulation.

Also, nothing says that the seven year covenant with many is confirmed by the AC when it is made.

There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel.........time, times and half a time.

If we are past the midpoint of the 7 yr covenant, We obviously missed the advent of the AC, and him being absent must mean the temple being dececrated at the halfway point, was another misspeak by Daniel.

BTW...since we are in the middle of this supposed (already in place covenant), (according to you), where and what is this "already in place covenant"?
( that we are now halfway into)

 

[CrowCross]

Your comment reminds me of Genesis 3:1-5

But then that fits perfectly with the false prophecy of pre-trib rapture..............!!!

Are those who believe in the false prophecy of the pre-trib rapture going to hell because of their false beliefs?

 

[CrowCross]

As I said, I will believe the Word of God.

I showed the scripture that says from the time of the decree to rebuild Jerusalem to Messian the prince is 69 weeks of 7 years. Then the 70 week begins and Messiah is cut off after 3.5 years. So FACT, the 70 week of Daniel does not remain. There is only 3.5 years remaining in the 70th week of Daniel..........time, times and half a time.

You see, I'm going to believe the Word of God. It is you that can believe anything that you want to believe as you obviously do not believe the written Word of God.

Once again...if that's what you really need to belief...then go for it.

If I don't believe the "Word of God" like and as you do....are we going to hell?

 

[Marty fox]

Ok, who is the rider on the white horse that went forth conquering and to conquer?

That answerer doesn't matter go by what the bible says and not by what you or I think. Your reply didn't address what I posted at all.

I think it is the beast system Rome of the first century but that doesn't really matter