Actually Jesus returns twice...

[rebuilder 454]

We are not past the midpoint of the 7 year covenant.


BTW - You should check your math. We are not be at the midpoint yet.

BTW - We will not know if the covenant with many that was made in September 2023 is the covenant of Daniel 9:27 until it is confirmed by the rider on the white of the 1st seal. It is highly likely that the Church will be in heaven before the Antichrist confirms a 7 year covenant.

BTW - I make no claims that the 7 year covenant with many is the covenant of Daniel 9:27. I am merely pointing out that there is a 7 year covenant with many that has been signed. I am pointing this out because we are told to WATCH. If we do not watch, we will not know the hour that He comes. So we should watch and be ready as the Lord instructs.

Most have been taught that the Church will be in heaven before the 7 years begins. This is incorrect. The Church will be in heaven before the Great Tribulation and the Jews that are raptured at the last trump on the Feast of Trumpets will be raptured at the 6th seal before the 7th seal wrath of God.............as believers are not appointed to wrath.

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"BTW - You should check your math. We are not be at the midpoint yet."
When is the midpoint?
What day will the temple be descecrated?

 

[The Light]

Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week...when it's like the days of Noah...everything normal....and catches up His bride and takes her home.

Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week.

Is Noah in the ark 7 days before the flood?

Then at the end of the 7 year tribulation returns with His bride on a white hole and kicks butt and takes names.

And yet, when the world was created, He ended His work on the 6th day and rested on the 7th day.

And yet, we are told to work 6 days a week and rest on the 7th day.

And yet, there will be 6000 years of history and then the 1000 year millennial kingdom will be set up.

What do you think happens on the final 7 years?

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And there is no 7 year tribulation.

For those who are not raptured...they will love it when the counterfeit "god" shows up in the middle of the week and reveals himself.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. And the door will be shut to the foolish virgins that are not WATCHING and READY for His coming.

Some of the Jewish people will see through it and head for the hills. Petra?

Correct. Those in the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection will remain on the earth during the great tribulation and also they will remain on the earth during the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.

The seed of the woman, those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ will be raptured at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and will be in heaven for the marriage supper during the one year wrath of God. At the end of the year, the armies of heaven will return for Armageddon.

 

[The Light]

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"BTW - You should check your math. We are not be at the midpoint yet."
When is the midpoint?
What day will the temple be descecrated?

What day is the midst of the week?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Daniel 9
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,..............................

The word for word interlinear septuagent;

EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka
in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away _ sacrifice and σπονδή καὶι επί TO τερόν βδέλυγμα τῶν libation [offering], and upon the — temple an abomination of the EPNUMGEWV ἔσται και EWS της συντελξίας καιρού desolations

why would that need to be wrong?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week.


And yet, when the world was created, He ended His work on the 6th day and rested on the 7th day.

And yet, we are told to work 6 days a week and rest on the 7th day.

And yet, there will be 6000 years of history and then the 1000 year millennial kingdom will be set up.

What do you think happens on the final 7 years?

Daniel 9
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And there is no 7 year tribulation.

The Church will be raptured before the great tribulation. And the door will be shut to the foolish virgins that are not WATCHING and READY for His coming.


Correct. Those in the nation of Israel that flee to a place of protection will remain on the earth during the great tribulation and also they will remain on the earth during the wrath of God which is the 7th seal.

The seed of the woman, those that keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ will be raptured at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation and will be in heaven for the marriage supper during the one year wrath of God. At the end of the year, the armies of heaven will return for Armageddon.

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"Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week."
1) he comes back in a pretrib setting.
2) acts 1 mirrors exactly the pretrib coming
3) we know for a fact, Jesus gathers his church in a pretrib setting.
4) the AC is tge white horse rider, no matter how much you protest.
5) the AC desecrates the temple HALFWAY THROUGH THE 7 YR TRIB.
Daniel 9:27
....EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka
in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away _ sacrifice and σπονδή καὶι επί TO τερόν βδέλυγμα τῶν libation [offering], and upon the — temple an abomination of the EPNUMGEWV ἔσται και EWS της συντελξίας καιρού desolations...

 

[rebuilder 454]

We can clearly see the AC has a purpose of 7 yrs.
He , strengthens, ratified, makes, enforces, confirms, or whatever dynamic is best for doctrine...a COVENANT.
It is still him WITH A 7YR COVENANT.
The white horse rider carries a bow.
"Bow", is a "type" for covenant.
God made the rainbow as a SIGN of covenant
God uses a bow to illustrate ..AHEM, CONFIRM..COVENANT.
GOD USES A BOW AS CONFIRMATION OF COVENANT.
The AC carries a bow....COVENANT.

 

[The Light]

Quote
"Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week."
1) he comes back in a pretrib setting.
2) acts 1 mirrors exactly the pretrib coming
3) we know for a fact, Jesus gathers his church in a pretrib setting.

Right. Pre trib. The great tribulation will not begin until the middle of the week.

The Church will be in heaven before the middle of the week.

4) the AC is tge white horse rider, no matter how much you protest.

What protest? The rider on the white is AN antichrist. He is not the only Antichrist. The rider on the white horse is the 7th king. He will cause the world to worship the eighth king who is Nimrod.

5) the AC desecrates the temple HALFWAY THROUGH THE 7 YR TRIB.
Daniel 9:27
....EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka
in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away _ sacrifice and σπονδή καὶι επί TO τερόν βδέλυγμα τῶν libation [offering], and upon the — temple an abomination of the EPNUMGEWV ἔσται και EWS της συντελξίας καιρού desolations...

There is no 7 year tribulation. There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. In the middle of the week the AOD is set up and the great tribulation begins.

This is when those in the nation of Israel flee to a place of protection. When the dragon can't get to the woman, he goes after her seed, who are the 12 tribes across the earth.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation the believers of the 12 tribes will be raptured at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the ONE YEAR wrath of God begins. At the end of one year Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon.

The Church and those of the 12 tribes that are raptured at the 6th seal will remain in heaven for one year for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What day is the midst of the week?

You claim the trib starts when?
When does the 7 yr, or whatever you want to call the "week" start?
What do you call the 1 week ( 7 yrs) of Daniel?

 

[The Light]

We can clearly see the AC has a purpose of 7 yrs.
He , strengthens, ratified, makes, enforces, confirms, or whatever dynamic is best for doctrine...a COVENANT.
It is still him WITH A 7YR COVENANT.

The covenant with many is made for 7 years. The Word does not say that Antichrist confirms the covenant when it is made. Just like he Word does not say there is a 7 year tribulation.

The white horse rider carries a bow.
"Bow", is a "type" for covenant.

He carries a bow because he is the false Christ of the Babylonian religion. He is Tammuz, he Horus, he is Apollo etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

God made the rainbow as a SIGN of covenant
God uses a bow to illustrate ..AHEM, CONFIRM..COVENANT.
GOD USES A BOW AS CONFIRMATION OF COVENANT.
The AC carries a bow....COVENANT.

All the false religions are waiting for their false savior. He carries a bow as Tammuz was a hunter.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Right. Pre trib. The great tribulation will not begin until the middle of the week.

The Church will be in heaven before the middle of the week.


What protest? The rider on the white is AN antichrist. He is not the only Antichrist. The rider on the white horse is the 7th king. He will cause the world to worship the eighth king who is Nimrod.


There is no 7 year tribulation. There is a final week that begins when a covenant with many is made. In the middle of the week the AOD is set up and the great tribulation begins.

This is when those in the nation of Israel flee to a place of protection. When the dragon can't get to the woman, he goes after her seed, who are the 12 tribes across the earth.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation the believers of the 12 tribes will be raptured at the 6th seal. Then the 7th seal is opened and the ONE YEAR wrath of God begins. At the end of one year Jesus returns with the armies of heaven for Armageddon.

The Church and those of the 12 tribes that are raptured at the 6th seal will remain in heaven for one year for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

Raptured after the 4 horsemen?
Rapture in a world of death and destruction?
Note the setting your model is in;
Rev 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

Your rapture setting is exactly like postribber doctrine.
The WRATH part of the 7 yr trib is AFTER THE Jewish gathering.
The church has been in heaven for years prior to the Jewish gathering.
You have the church raptured at the descecration of the temple, AND AFTER the millions of martyrs MARTYRED BY THE AC.

You don't seem to understand the purpose of the trib.
It is Jacob's trouble.
Not churches trouble.
Much of your doctrine follows postribber talking points.

 

[The Light]

You claim the trib starts when?

When the AOD is set up.

When does the 7 yr, or whatever you want to call the "week" start?

When a 7 year covenant with many is made.

What do you call the 1 week ( 7 yrs) of Daniel?

The final week that begins when a covenant with many is made.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The covenant with many is made for 7 years. The Word does not say that Antichrist confirms the covenant when it is made. Just like he Word does not say there is a 7 year tribulation.

He carries a bow because he is the false Christ of the Babylonian religion. He is Tammuz, he Horus, he is Apollo etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.


All the false religions are waiting for their false savior. He carries a bow as Tammuz was a hunter.

...and you can dodge the points i made.
It does not go away.
The ac is just one of the horsemen that you claim puts the church through "their" trib, and then you place the rapture AFTER "their trib" in a war torn, population massacre.
You insert :"false christ", magically into the hand of the AC, who is CARRYING A BOW, diverting the bow/covenant dimension.
You made that up .

Nope.
The rapture setting is normal life, peacetime, planning for the future.
Plain...overly plain the rapture is pre seals.
No 6th seal rapture.
That is postrib doctrine.

 

[rebuilder 454]

When the AOD is set up.


When a 7 year covenant with many is made.

The final week that begins when a covenant with many is made.

Revelation, 12 and 13 have the Antichrist. Overcoming the saints it even says power is given him to overcome the saints.
That is well before the desecration of the temple.
The only protection during the 7 year tribulation is to the Jewish people that are Ushered to a place of safety, possibly Petra, in protected from the Antichrist. And this is well before the desecration of the temple.
That dynamic is after the church is raptured, which makes a 6 seal rapture impossible.
The 144000, SEALED WELL BEFORE THE AOD, are raptured or martered, before the main harvest of Jewish messianic Jews in revelation, 14 verse 14..
Post tribbers have the same problem, in that They're trying to "blenderize" all the gatherings into one and it just simply doesn't fit.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The word for word interlinear septuagent;

EV TH ἡμίσει της εβδομάδος ἀρθήσεται θυσία Ka
in the half ofthe period of seven shall be lifted away _ sacrifice and σπονδή καὶι επί TO τερόν βδέλυγμα τῶν libation [offering], and upon the — temple an abomination of the EPNUMGEWV ἔσται και EWS της συντελξίας καιρού desolations

why would that need to be wrong?

HALFWAY through the 7 yr trib.
3.5 yr mark.

In a model of a mid 7 yr trib rapture we would know within a day the rapture date.

 

[rebuilder 454]

When the AOD is set up.


When a 7 year covenant with many is made.

The final week that begins when a covenant with many is made.

Mid trib rapture.
Not in bible.
Unless it is the Jewish rapture of rev 14

 

[The Light]

Raptured after the 4 horsemen?

No. The seals are not opened until the Church is in heaven.

Rapture in a world of death and destruction?
Note the setting your model is in;
Rev 6
8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth.
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:
10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.

Your rapture setting is exactly like postribber doctrine.

No. They think the 7th seal is 30 minutes of silence in heaven.

The WRATH part of the 7 yr trib is AFTER THE Jewish gathering.

The 7th seal wrath of God is immediately after the tribulation which is over at the 6th seal.

The church has been in heaven for years prior to the Jewish gathering.

Not 7 years.

You have the church raptured at the descecration of the temple, AND AFTER the millions of martyrs MARTYRED BY THE AC.

Negative. The Church is raptured after the final week has begun but before the great tribulation (has to be at least 6 months before). The Church is in heaven before the seals are opened.

You don't seem to understand the purpose of the trib.
It is Jacob's trouble.
Not churches trouble.

You don't seem to understand that the great tribulation, which is the time of Jacobs trouble does not begin until the AOD is set up. You don't understand that there are only 3.5 year remaining in the 70th week of Daniel. I have shown you many times that Jesus shows up after 69 weeks. Then He is cut off after 3.5 years. We see the great tribulation in Daniel 12. We also see there are 3.5 years remaining.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12
6 And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders?

7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

Much of your doctrine follows postribber talking points.

No. They want to pretend that the 6th seal is the 7th trumpet. They want to pretend that the 7th seal is 30 minutes of silence in heaven. They ignore the 7 trumpets and 7 vials of Gods wrath and pretend everything happens somewhere else at another time that they cannot identify. For them there is only the 7th trumpet which they claim is the 6th seal.

I think all the seals happen in order. Jesus comes at the 6th seal to gather the 12 tribes that are raptured to heaven for the marriage supper and remain in heaven with the Church during the one year wrath of God.

 

[CrowCross]

Please provide scriptural proof that Jesus comes back at the beginning of the week.

Is Noah in the ark 7 days before the flood?

What did Jesus say the days of Noah and Lot were like?
Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building." If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building. BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

 

[The Light]

What did Jesus say the days of Noah and Lot were like? Jesus told us... "People were eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building."

There are two raptures. One like the days of Noah and one like the days of Lot.

If you think about it if Jesus only returns once at the end of the great tribulation....considering what the world has just gone through I don't think people will be eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

Jesus comes for the Church before the great tribulation. He does not come before the final week begins. It will be like the days of Noah.

At the end of the great tribulation Jesus comes at the 6th seal. It will be like the days of Lot. Those eating and drinking will be the unbelievers.

Then the 7th seal is opened and God pours out the ONE YEAR wrath on unbelievers.

The great tribulation is when the dragon is killing believers. The wrath of God is when God is pouring out wrath on unbelievers. These are not the same thing.

BUT...in the pre-trib return scenario it describes what it is like today...people ARE eating and drinking, marrying and being given in marriage buying and selling, planting and building.

Unbelievers are eating and drinking before the great tribulation and before the wrath of God.

Two raptures. The fig tree has two harvest. Like the days of Noah and like the days of Lot. Jacob had two brides and one was the chosen bride.

 

[CrowCross]

There are two raptures. One like the days of Noah and one like the days of Lot.

LOL...now that's a new one.

Where do you get this stuff from????

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

There are two raptures. One like the days of Noah and one like the days of Lot.

LOL. Ugh. Wow. No. You have that view all to yourself. No one else in the world shares it with you. That is not at all what Jesus indicated. He compared the days prior to His one and only coming to the days of Noah before the flood and to the days of Lot before Sodom was destroyed.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: 27 They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; 29 but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. 30 Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.

How do you get two raptures of out THE DAY when the Son of Man is revealed? If your view was true, Jesus would have said "Even so will it be in the DAYS the Son of Man is revealed".