A Biblical Lesson on Spiritual Discernment

[IndianaRob]

Are we playing scripture tag here? Why did you not address what I said? How can 1 Corinthians 15:42-54 be interpreted any other way except that we all will be changed to have incorruptible and immortal spiritual bodies at the same time when the last trumpet sounds? You can't just ignore what is indicated in that passage.

I believe 2 Corinthians 5:1-6 is talking about the incorruptible, immortal body that we will have when the last trumpet sounds at Christ's return, but we have to wait for that. In the meantime, when we physically die, we still go to be with the Lord. Our souls go to be with him in heaven, which is why John sees the souls of believers in heaven in the book of Revelation, and does not say he sees their spiritual bodies (Revelation 6:9-11, Revelation 20:4). The redemption of our bodies is something we are still waiting for, which will happen at the same time as the

Romans 8:20 For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope; 21 because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God. 22 For we know that the whole creation groans and labors with birth pangs together until now. 23 Not only that, but we also who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, eagerly waiting for the adoption, the redemption of our body. 24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance.

This indicates that the redemption our our bodies will occur when "the creation itself" is "delivered from the bondage of corruption". That will happen when Jesus returns in the future and ushering in the eternal new heavens and new earth where only righteousness will dwell (2 Peter 3:10-13). Your false full preterists beliefs deny this future hope that we have that will be fulfilled when Jesus returns at the last trumpet.

You're reading "we shall all be changed" as one corporate event at a future second coming because that's your eschatology, but nothing in the passage requires it to be corporate. "We shall all be changed" means every believer is changed, not all at the same moment, but each in his own "twinkling of an eye."

That moment is death. When it's our time to go, we don't actually taste death. We're changed in an instant and receive the eternal house Paul describes in 2 Corinthians 5:1. The earthly tent comes down and the heavenly body is put on in the same instant, "in the twinkling of an eye."

Paul includes himself in the "we" because it happens to every believer, himself included, each at his own passing. It doesn't point to one future trumpet blast we're all waiting on. It points to the change every believer undergoes when he leaves this life.

This is a theme throughout the bible.... believers do not die.

 

[IndianaRob]

What kind of a body can enter into heaven; a spiritual realm if not spirit of man?

The kind of body that enters is the one Paul says is already waiting for us there. "We have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens" (2 Corinthians 5:1). That's not the spirit of man by itself. It's a body, but not a natural earthly one, a heavenly body made for a heavenly realm.

That's why Paul says we don't want to be found "naked" (2 Corinthians 5:3), meaning a spirit without a body. We're changed in the twinkling of an eye when we leave this life, the earthly tent comes down and the heavenly house is put on in the same instant. So we don't enter as a bare spirit. We enter clothed with the body that heaven requires.

I think the whole point Paul is driving at in 2 Corinthians 5 is that we're not found "naked," meaning a spirit with no body. He's showing that we don't enter heaven as a bare spirit, we're clothed with a heavenly body suited to that realm.

 

[rwb]

You're reading "we shall all be changed" as one corporate event at a future second coming because that's your eschatology, but nothing in the passage requires it to be corporate. "We shall all be changed" means every believer is changed, not all at the same moment, but each in his own "twinkling of an eye."

That moment is death. When it's our time to go, we don't actually taste death. We're changed in an instant and receive the eternal house Paul describes in 2 Corinthians 5:1. The earthly tent comes down and the heavenly body is put on in the same instant, "in the twinkling of an eye."

Paul includes himself in the "we" because it happens to every believer, himself included, each at his own passing. It doesn't point to one future trumpet blast we're all waiting on. It points to the change every believer undergoes when he leaves this life.

This is a theme throughout the bible.... believers do not die.

Do you understand the initial change for each in his/her own order is going from natural (physical) body, to spiritual body without human form when we die? Our spirit was made eternally alive when we believed in Christ and born again. When our body is dead then our natural body no longer has life, but the spirit within, alive through the Spirit of Christ is raised/awakened/lifted up a spiritual body, still a living soul but without human flesh. The Bible does not tell us we must wait until the final trumpet when Christ comes again to be spiritually alive (living soul) with Christ in heaven, we are already, before our natural body died eternal living souls through His Spirit in our spirit. When Christ comes again we will be as we were when God created man, only then we will have immortal body of flesh, alive through eternal spirit, the two parts together complete living souls that shall never sin, never grow sick or old and never again die. Then we will live throughout all eternity with Christ on the new earth.

 

[rwb]

That's not the spirit of man by itself. It's a body, but not a natural earthly one, a heavenly body made for a heavenly realm.

Exactly! After death our body shall be like the angels of God in heaven spirits without flesh. That's why Paul writes we have a natural body and a spiritual body, and together in this world called complete human souls. And in the world to come our natural body will be immortal & incorruptible, with life from the eternal spiritual body that returns with Christ, together once again called complete human souls.

 

[IndianaRob]

Do you understand the initial change for each in his/her own order is going from natural (physical) body, to spiritual body without human form when we die? Our spirit was made eternally alive when we believed in Christ and born again. When our body is dead then our natural body no longer has life, but the spirit within, alive through the Spirit of Christ is raised/awakened/lifted up a spiritual body, still a living soul but without human flesh. The Bible does not tell us we must wait until the final trumpet when Christ comes again to be spiritually alive (living soul) with Christ in heaven, we are already, before our natural body died eternal living souls through His Spirit in our spirit. When Christ comes again we will be as we were when God created man, only then we will have immortal body of flesh, alive through eternal spirit, the two parts together complete living souls that shall never sin, never grow sick or old and never again die. Then we will live throughout all eternity with Christ on the new earth.

I follow you, and we actually agree on part of it. The change happens to each believer individually, in his own order, at death. That much we're together on.

Where we part is what gets received at death. You're saying it's a spiritual body without form or flesh, a temporary state, and the real body of flesh only comes later at the second coming. That's two separate clothings, with a waiting period in between.

But look at what Paul actually says. He calls the house we receive "eternal in the heavens" (2 Corinthians 5:1). Eternal, not temporary. If it's a placeholder we hold until a future upgrade, it isn't eternal. One eternal house, received when the earthly tent comes down.

And notice Paul's own language. He says he does not want to be found "naked," but "clothed" (2 Corinthians 5:3-4). A formless spirit with no body waiting for flesh later is exactly the nakedness Paul says he does not want. So your in between state isn't the comfort of the passage, it's the very thing Paul was trying to avoid.

There aren't two clothings. At death we're changed in the twinkling of an eye and clothed with the eternal body, so that we're never found naked. Your formless waiting spirit is the nakedness. Paul's eternal house is the answer to it.

One honest thing though. I'd have a hard time landing on a temporary formless spirit body without a verse that actually spells that out. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just can't see it in the text yet, so if there's a passage that lays out that in between stage plainly, I'm genuinely open to looking at it.

 

[IndianaRob]

Exactly! After death our body shall be like the angels of God in heaven spirits without flesh. That's why Paul writes we have a natural body and a spiritual body, and together in this world called complete human souls. And in the world to come our natural body will be immortal & incorruptible, with life from the eternal spiritual body that returns with Christ, together once again called complete human souls.

I think I covered this in the last post to you but if not, let me know.

 

[Truth7t7]

I can’t go against the Bible just to fit in.

The belief and teaching of the Lord's Second Coming is a "closed handed issue", it's a pillar in the Christian faith, you deny the future literal second coming of Jesus Christ, it's not open for debate

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[IndianaRob]

The belief and teaching of the Lord's Second Coming is a "closed handed issue", it's a pillar in the Christian faith, you deny the future literal second coming of Jesus Christ, it's not open for debate

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We believe that Christian issues are able to be separated into two descriptions: *open-handed issues* and *close-handed issues*. Close-handed issues (or closed issues) are issues that are central to being a Christian; these issues are simply not up for debate because they are what defines Christianity. If closed-handed issues are debatable, then Christianity is simply yet another religion and nothing more. We will define those below in regards to the community, but this includes doctrines like the divinity of Christ. Open-handed issues (also called open issues) are issues that concern topics that are not essential to salvation. In other words, belief in a certain eschatological view (end times view) does not determine if one is saved, so that would be defined as an open-handed issue. However, Jesus being the Son of God is absolutely essential to salvation, so that is a close-handed issue.

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If they want to ban me then they will.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You're reading "we shall all be changed" as one corporate event at a future second coming because that's your eschatology, but nothing in the passage requires it to be corporate. "We shall all be changed" means every believer is changed, not all at the same moment, but each in his own "twinkling of an eye."

Give me a break. There isn't a last trumpet sound for each of us individually. There is only one last trumpet sound and when it sounds Paul said the dead will be resurrected and then we all will be changed at that time. Please do not try to give me this nonsense that it's not one corporate event when it so obviously is.

 

[Truth7t7]

If they want to ban me then they will.

Just letting you know, your belief and teachings that there isn't a future, literal, second coming of Jesus isn't up for debate as per forum rules

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[rwb]

Where we part is what gets received at death. You're saying it's a spiritual body without form or flesh, a temporary state, and the real body of flesh only comes later at the second coming. That's two separate clothings, with a waiting period in between.

We have to be a spiritual body without human flesh because we won't be immortal and incorruptible body of flesh until the sounding of the last trumpet. That's when our body too will be raised incorruptible.

1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

And notice Paul's own language. He says he does not want to be found "naked," but "clothed" (2 Corinthians 5:3-4). A formless spirit with no body waiting for flesh later is exactly the nakedness Paul says he does not want. So your in between state isn't the comfort of the passage, it's the very thing Paul was trying to avoid.

Paul was not found naked when he ascended to heaven spiritually body, he was still a living soul. Life doesn't come from our body, it comes from spirit. (Jo 6:63) And when we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, we continue to be souls without human form and as the angels of God in heaven spirit beings. In the house that Christ went first to build for us (Jo 14:1-5) that we might always be with Him where He is.

One honest thing though. I'd have a hard time landing on a temporary formless spirit body without a verse that actually spells that out. I'm not trying to be difficult, I just can't see it in the text yet, so if there's a passage that lays out that in between stage plainly, I'm genuinely open to looking at it.

Besides what I've already given I can show a verse or two that seem to indicate an intermediate spiritual state after death.

I've already given you Ecc 12:5

Martha appeared to believe her brother would not live again until he is physically resurrected on the last day. The words of Christ seem to indicate since Christ is the resurrection and the life, when we believe in Him though our body shall die, we shall never die. That can only be speaking of the spirit body living on after the flesh is dead.

John 11:23-26 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Here, Paul likens dying to gain, what is gain if the spirit body in man does not continue to live on after our body is dead?

Philippians 1:21 (KJV) For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Here Christ indicates there is life after our body is dead. That suggests eternality of the spirit/soul with eternal life through Him.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Maybe these will help?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Exactly! After death our body shall be like the angels of God in heaven spirits without flesh.

Scripture does not teach that angels have spiritual bodies. You are agreeing with a full preterist about believers having their spiritual bodies immediately after death. That belief is a major reason why he is a full preterist. He believes that that our bodies are changed from natural to spiritual bodies immediately after death rather than all at the same time when Christ's returns at the last trumpet. You are being deceived by a full preterist teaching.

 

[rwb]

Scripture does not teach that angels have spiritual bodies. You are agreeing with a full preterist about believers having their spiritual bodies immediately after death. That belief is a major reason why he is a full preterist. He believes that that our bodies are changed from natural to spiritual bodies immediately after death rather than all at the same time when Christ's returns at the last trumpet. You are being deceived by a full preterist teaching.

Until you can explain what you mean when you say we shall have spiritual body when our body is resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, you're wasting your time pursuing this. I've lost all patience with your manner of communicating in these forums!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Until you can explain what you mean when you say we shall have spiritual body when our body is resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, you're wasting your time pursuing this.

I already did. Tell me what you don't understand about what I said in post #498 and I'll clarify it for you. In 1 Corinthians 15:42-44 Paul contrasts the natural body with the spiritual body. One of the attributes he showed there in relation to the spiritual body is that it is incorruptible ("raised in incorruption") in contrast to the natural body that is corruptible ("sown in corruption"). So, he associated the spiritual body with being incorruptible and later he said we will be changed so that our bodies our incorruptible and immortal at the last trumpet. But, you have us having spiritual bodies already immediately after death. That cannot be the case because we won't have incorruptible bodies until the last trumpet sounds.

I've lost all patience with your manner of communicating in these forums!

Should I give you all the examples of you communicating in the same manner that you're complaining about so that you can see how hypocritical you're being here? What you don't like is not my manner of communication, but rather that I expose the flaws in some of your beliefs. You get frustrated by that.

 

[IndianaRob]

Give me a break. There isn't a last trumpet sound for each of us individually. There is only one last trumpet sound and when it sounds Paul said the dead will be resurrected and then we all will be changed at that time. Please do not try to give me this nonsense that it's not one corporate event when it so obviously is.

The last Trump was the voice of Jesus. Do you seriously think an angel is going to be hovering in the sky blowing a trumpet?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The last Trump was the voice of Jesus. Do you seriously think an angel is going to be hovering in the sky blowing a trumpet?

Nice job of avoiding the point. I'm talking about the timing of the last trumpet regardless of who makes its sound. You are not looking at the text carefully at all. So, let's do that.

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— 52 in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. 54 So when this corruptible has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”

Notice that there is no indication here whatsoever of a last trumpet sounding for each individual. You read that into the text. Paul calls it "the last trumpet" which will result in all of us being changed when it sounds, not a last trumpet for each person that is changed one by one.

Then notice that when the last trumpet sounds, "the dead will be raised incorruptible, and WE shall be changed". Paul clearly portrays this as a corporate event when the dead are all raised and WE shall be changed at that point. There is no indication here in any way, shape or form that he's talking about something that happens for each individual upon death. Not even close.

And then notice what he says in verse 54. When the last trumpet sounds, that is when the saying that is written in Isaiah 25:8 will be fulfilled, which is that "death is swallowed up in victory". Death has not been swallowed up in victory yet. According to Paul himself earlier in the chapter death will be defeated when Christ comes, the dead in Christ are resurrected and He delivers His kingdom to God the Father, which has not yet happened (1 Corinthians 15:22-28). He spoke there of the resurrection of the dead in Christ as being a corporate event, so why would you think that is not the case in relation to 1 Corinthians 15:52 as well? There is just nothing there whatsoever to suggest that each individual's body is changed upon death. Rather, Paul clearly indicates that we all will be changed at the same time when the dead in Christ are resurrected at the sound of the last trumpet.

 

[Behold]

Until you can explain what you mean when you say we shall have spiritual body when our body is resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, you're wasting your time pursuing this. I've lost all patience with your manner of communicating in these forums!

1 Cor 15

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (Receive our new Body).

 

[IndianaRob]

We have to be a spiritual body without human flesh because we won't be immortal and incorruptible body of flesh until the sounding of the last trumpet. That's when our body too will be raised incorruptible.

1 Corinthians 15:50 (KJV) Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
1 Corinthians 15:51-52 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Paul was not found naked when he ascended to heaven spiritually body, he was still a living soul. Life doesn't come from our body, it comes from spirit. (Jo 6:63) And when we are indwelt with the Holy Spirit, we continue to be souls without human form and as the angels of God in heaven spirit beings. In the house that Christ went first to build for us (Jo 14:1-5) that we might always be with Him where He is.


Besides what I've already given I can show a verse or two that seem to indicate an intermediate spiritual state after death.

I've already given you Ecc 12:5

Martha appeared to believe her brother would not live again until he is physically resurrected on the last day. The words of Christ seem to indicate since Christ is the resurrection and the life, when we believe in Him though our body shall die, we shall never die. That can only be speaking of the spirit body living on after the flesh is dead.

John 11:23-26 (KJV) Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Here, Paul likens dying to gain, what is gain if the spirit body in man does not continue to live on after our body is dead?

Philippians 1:21 (KJV) For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.

Here Christ indicates there is life after our body is dead. That suggests eternality of the spirit/soul with eternal life through Him.

Matthew 10:28 (KJV) And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Maybe these will help?

The verses you've given don't actually say that believers exist as temporary, unclothed spirits waiting for another body later. Ecclesiastes 12 says the spirit returns to God. John 11 says believers live because of Christ. Philippians 1 says to die is gain. Matthew 10 says the soul cannot be killed by those who can only kill the body. Those verses speak about life after death, but they don't describe a temporary spirit body or a two-stage process where we receive one body and later receive another.

So I'm asking for the specific verse that teaches that. Where does Scripture plainly say that after death believers are in an intermediate state waiting for their glorified body?

 

[rwb]

1 Cor 15

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.

Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. (Receive our new Body).

When we read the context of 1Cor 15 we find that Paul tells us not only about the natural body that shall be resurrected and changed when the last trumpet sounds, he also tells us of what our natural body becomes when we die. Paul makes a clear distinction between the natural body of flesh, and a spiritual body. The natural body is first, and afterward that which is spiritual. As natural man is of the earth, earthy, the Lord is spiritual from heaven. Just as in physical life we are natural, so too after death we shall be as they also that are heavenly, as the Lord in heaven, heavenly. Now, in this natural life we are borne the image of the earthy man, after death we shall also bear the image of the Christ while in heaven.

1Co 15:44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
1Co 15:45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
1Co 15:46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
1Co 15:47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
1Co 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Paul never says that our physical body shall be resurrected a spiritual body when the last trumpet sounds. The body of every born again believer who has physically died shall be resurrected bodily (flesh & bone) changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. That body does not become a spiritual body. We shall be as God created man to be in the beginning, with body of flesh made alive through the spirit that returns with Christ (1Th 4:14) because the body without the spirit remains dead (Jo 6:63; 2Cor 3:6). So in a moment in the twinkling of an eye we will not be resurrected a "spiritual body" we will be resurrected or raised with new immortal body of flesh, made alive through spirit (that is breath of life) to once again be complete living souls, then fit to live on the new earth with Christ throughout eternity.

 

[rwb]

The verses you've given don't actually say that believers exist as temporary, unclothed spirits waiting for another body later. Ecclesiastes 12 says the spirit returns to God. John 11 says believers live because of Christ. Philippians 1 says to die is gain. Matthew 10 says the soul cannot be killed by those who can only kill the body. Those verses speak about life after death, but they don't describe a temporary spirit body or a two-stage process where we receive one body and later receive another.

So I'm asking for the specific verse that teaches that. Where does Scripture plainly say that after death believers are in an intermediate state waiting for their glorified body?

If you aren't convinced with the verses I've given I doubt any other verses will convince you. John shows living souls in heaven after being martyred for their faith. If they are not in heaven and are as the angels of God; spirit beings, then what do the living martyred souls John shows us consist of?