A bit of a mess in the White House.

[IndianaRob]

Point made and denied; you violate giving to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

I still don’t follow that argument but we can agree to disagree on that point.

 

[amigo de christo]

JD Vance needs that agenda.

pray and pray feverently that man NEVER sits president .
When it comes to the all inclusive ecumeincal lie of a harlot , that man makes trump look like a baby .
YOU ALL have zero idea what trumps VP truly is .
HE and kushner sit atop . they are dangerous and deadly to the body of Christ .
Though yes even trump is connected to it .
And watch out for this erika kirk and that movment . YOU JUST watch and wait
and see who they JOIN hands with . ALL RELIGOINS . we are all being DECIEVED .

 

[IndianaRob]

Neve read about the Conquest of Canaan?

Yes I have and my opinion is that Canaan was a specific command, given to a specific man, for a specific land, at a specific time, with a stated reason. God spoke directly to Moses, and then to Joshua after him. The Bible names them. It tells you what land, which peoples, and why.

I understand your point and can see why someone might equate the theft of America to what Moses did. I don’t agree with that conclusion though.

 

[Wrangler]

I still don’t follow that argument but we can agree to disagree on that point.

Sure. You insert a qualifier to an unqualified command.
give to Caesar what Is Caesar’s.

Puts you unconditionally on the hook. Fortunately, your qualifier to the rescue.
give to Caesar what Is Caesar’s unless Caesar is a pedophile.

THEN, you determine ye fact is Caesar is a pedophile, taking you off the hook. Phew, that was a close one! You almost had responsibility there. Brilliant.

For your next trick, you’ll pull an imaginary rabbit out of your hat.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes I have and my opinion is that Canaan was a specific command, given to a specific man, for a specific land, at a specific time, with a stated reason.

Agh, so are they all. So are they all specific. Keep moving the goal post.

Next you’ll tell me you never read anything in the Bible about a man coming back to life. When the facts are presented, you be like it was a specific command, given to a specific man, for a specific land, at a specific time, with a stated reason.

 

[IndianaRob]

Sure. You insert a qualifier to an unqualified command.
give to Caesar what Is Caesar’s.

Puts you unconditionally on the hook. Fortunately, your qualifier to the rescue.
give to Caesar what Is Caesar’s unless Caesar is a pedophile.

THEN, you determine ye fact is Caesar is a pedophile, taking you off the hook. Phew, that was a close one! You almost had responsibility there. Brilliant.

For your next trick, you’ll pull an imaginary rabbit out of your hat.

Let me clear this up. My position is that a person does whatever Caesar tells him to do, as long as what he's told doesn't violate God's law. That's the only qualifier, and it isn't one I invented. Peter and John said it plainly when they were ordered to stop preaching: "We ought to obey God rather than men" (Acts 5:29).

Whether Caesar is a pedophile or a Satanist doesn't change the obligation. You still obey him, because God appointed him ruler by divine decree, not because people cast votes for him.

 

[IndianaRob]

Agh, so are they all. So are they all specific. Keep moving the goal post.

Next you’ll tell me you never read anything in the Bible about a man coming back to life. When the facts are presented, you be like it was a specific command, given to a specific man, for a specific land, at a specific time, with a stated reason.

I don’t understand why you feel the need to personally attack me for not agreeing with you.

 

[Ziggy]

I don't believe this nation was ever "one nation under God," and I don't see the evidence for it.

A nation under God doesn't take another people's land by force and destroy them in the process. Native peoples were driven off their land, killed by the hundreds of thousands, and had treaty after treaty broken by the government that signed them.

And it didn't stop there. This same nation held human beings as property for nearly 250 years. Men who wrote that all men are created equal owned slaves while they wrote it. Families were split apart and sold. That was legal here longer than it's been illegal.

So when someone tells me this was founded as a nation under God, I'd ask which part of that God endorsed. You can argue this country was founded by men who invoked God. You can't argue it was ever a nation that acted like one.

Well, America wasn't under the people's government until 1776. So the first hundred years or so was under British rule, remember.
One if by land, 2 if by sea, and I on the opposite shore shall see.

slavery was already in force before the Revolutionary War.
in 1863 Abraham Liincoln declared the Declaration of Emancipation which freed the slaves.

So, sad to say it took the United States almost 100 years to make that Constitution mean what it said.

Who was President during the trail of tears?

Martin Van Buren was a primary founder of the Democratic Party and served as the eighth president of the United States from 1837 to 1841. He played a significant role in establishing the party and was a skilled organizer who helped build the modern Democratic Party from a coalition of Jeffersonian Republicans.

Some people believe in God, and some don't.

Hugs

 

[IndianaRob]

Well, America wasn't under the people's government until 1776. So the first hundred years or so was under British rule, remember.
One if by land, 2 if by sea, and I on the opposite shore shall see.

slavery was already in force before the Revolutionary War.
in 1863 Abraham Liincoln declared the Declaration of Emancipation which freed the slaves.

So, sad to say it took the United States almost 100 years to make that Constitution mean what it said.

Who was President during the trail of tears?

Martin Van Buren was a primary founder of the Democratic Party and served as the eighth president of the United States from 1837 to 1841. He played a significant role in establishing the party and was a skilled organizer who helped build the modern Democratic Party from a coalition of Jeffersonian Republicans.

Some people believe in God, and some don't.

Hugs

I believe the plan for America all along is to do what it’s doing right now.

 

[Ziggy]

I believe the plan for America all along is to do what it’s doing right now.

Well, right now we are in the process of declassifying as much disinformation this country has been subjected to for as far back as we can.
I posted a new Declas down in the Current news threads about TWA Flight 800.
A lot of our true history has been hidden, maligned, twisted, and we want to get to the truth.
No matter what that is or who is to be held accountable.
They will be held accountable, because
No One is Above the Law.

Some people wanted to see America destroyed and brought under communism.
Some of us Refuse to allow that to happen.
And here we are.
Hugs

 

[TLHKAJ]

Whether Caesar is a pedophile or a Satanist doesn't change the obligation. You still obey him, because God appointed him ruler by divine decree, not because people cast votes for him.

Exactly. If the laws do not violate God's commands, then we are obligated to obey them.

 

[IndianaRob]

Well, right now we are in the process of declassifying as much disinformation this country has been subjected to for as far back as we can.
I posted a new Declas down in the Current news threads about TWA Flight 800.
A lot of our true history has been hidden, maligned, twisted, and we want to get to the truth.
No matter what that is or who is to be held accountable.
They will be held accountable, because
No One is Above the Law.

Some people wanted to see America destroyed and brought under communism.
Some of us Refuse to allow that to happen.
And here we are.
Hugs

You are an eternal optimist, I’ll give you that. I’m not, I’m a realist and take things as I see them and I see Trump doing everything the WEF said they wanted.

 

[Ziggy]

You are an eternal optimist, I’ll give you that. I’m not, I’m a realist and take things as I see them and I see Trump doing everything the WEF said they wanted.

Keep watching

Remember this, those who live in the dark don't like to have things brought to the light, Amen?
So when you tell the world, we are going to declassify everything, who do you think is doing the panicking?
The world.

Hugs

 

[IndianaRob]

Keep watching

Remember this, those who live in the dark don't like to have things brought to the light, Amen?
So when you tell the world, we are going to declassify everything, who do you think is doing the panicking?
The world.

Hugs

Is the surveillance state Trump and tech oligarchs are building part of the plan to free us?

 

[Ziggy]

Is the surveillance state Trump and tech oligarchs are building part of the plan to free us?

You mean the one enacted after 9/11 under the Patriot Act?
You mean the one where CIA and FBI and other intelligence agencies get to spy on their political opponents?
Or how about Arctic Frost with Jack Smith being able to acquire personal phone calls of the Congress without their knowledge?

You mean that surveillance?

I believe we are building something that needs to be built to prevent that from happening as well as other countries being able to interfere in our day to day lives.

But you sure are a pessimistic, I'll give you that, lol

What is the saying, opposites attract lol,

We are going to figure this out together one day at a time sweet Jesus.

Have faith, have hope. Because if we lose that, we have nothing.

Hugs

 

[Wrangler]

I don’t understand why you feel the need to personally attack me for not agreeing with you.

Attacking your argument. Attacking you. Not the same.

 

[Wrangler]

Let me clear this up. My position is that a person does whatever Caesar tells him to do, as long as what he's told doesn't violate God's law.

So, you admit your whole pedophile thing is a red herring.

 

[IndianaRob]

You mean the one enacted after 9/11 under the Patriot Act?
You mean the one where CIA and FBI and other intelligence agencies get to spy on their political opponents?
Or how about Arctic Frost with Jack Smith being able to acquire personal phone calls of the Congress without their knowledge?

You mean that surveillance?

I believe we are building something that needs to be built to prevent that from happening as well as other countries being able to interfere in our day to day lives.

But you sure are a pessimistic, I'll give you that, lol

What is the saying, opposites attract lol,

We are going to figure this out together one day at a time sweet Jesus.

Have faith, have hope. Because if we lose that, we have nothing.

Hugs

The surveillance state I’m talking about is digital ID, Palintir, Flock cameras, massive data centers. The system they’re building to track, trace and monitor every move we make, every place we go, what we think, what we buy how much money we have in the bank etc.

 

[IndianaRob]

Attacking your argument. Attacking you. Not the same.

You’re so dishonest. When you say “Next you’ll tell me you never read anything in the Bible about a man coming back to life”, you’re attacking me personally and not my argument.

Now don’t get me wrong, I don’t care that you attack me personally but please be honest and own it.

 

[Ziggy]

The surveillance state I’m talking about is digital ID, Palintir, Flock cameras, massive data centers. The system they’re building to track, trace and monitor every move we make, every place we go, what we think, what we buy how much money we have in the bank etc.

You know who does that?
China.
And we just discovered that China has been doing Very Very Naughty things.
Again, let's just watch this unfold, because I don't know how this story ends,
other than,
in the end,
God wins.
Hugs