Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[MostlyConfused]

Not only is your first paragraph utterly truthful, it is true also even apart from religion, in a family system, in politics, in the whole world - EVEN when someone doesn't know God but they tell the truth. If someone, anywhere, feels the truth makes them look bad, or even less than perfect, they want to ruthlessly destroy the reputation of the person who tells the truth and refuses their false narrative.

I can't even be contrite and say I'm sorry because if I'd been silent, you wouldn't have so graciously said what you did and I would not have obtained the wider view of this that I now have.

 

[Lizbeth]

Ouch. Was this good for you? I think it harms you.
i joined maybe 10 or 12 days ago and found a pretty righteous man (I think his name was shepherds word) and so I wanted to read a bit of him, which led me to you and so I wanted to read some of what you had to say too. So I have seen more than you might know.
Do you think it is possible to shake dust from your feet quietly and without a word (or just a few blandly polite words) if any word would avail nothing good?
I beg you to not be mad at me and maybe I shouldn’t have said anything. I have been enjoying your videos and have wanted often to comment but did not because I saw you are followed by some who want to fight and dispute who would pile in(and also because I think I talk too much and seek conversation for approval for my flesh, which I try to starve whenever it’s in my power to do so.)
Now I feel like I am the one pontificating, (a word I had to look up. Interesting origin.)

Not to mention it harms the one being insulted and maligned.....? And more than that it brings the gospel into disrepute....?

I seem to be seeing that self is the focus here......hyper-vigilant self-policing and don't harm your "self"........is that what the gospel and holiness is all about? Self? Self is a new age pursuit, and I've seen it before and where it leads. Beware of counterfeits.

True holiness doesn't cause us to focus on self, but to forget self and focus on Jesus which leads to freedom from self. Like the beautiful old hymn..."Be Thou my vision". This isn't a self improvement pursuit but a pursuit of following Christ is it not...?....we are HIS workmanship and to HIM be the glory. I don't believe anyone can surrender their will to Him apart from His Spirit either, no more than we could save ourselves in the beginning.....He is both the beginning and end of our faith.

 

[MostlyConfused]

Oh my gosh...

 

[Episkopos]

Not only is your first paragraph utterly truthful, it is true also even apart from religion, in a family system, in politics, in the whole world - EVEN when someone doesn't know God but they tell the truth. If someone, anywhere, feels the truth makes them look bad, or even less than perfect, they want to ruthlessly destroy the reputation of the person who tells the truth and refuses their false narrative.

I can't even be contrite and say I'm sorry because if I'd been silent, you wouldn't have so graciously said what you did and I would not have obtained the wider view of this that I now have.

We interact through dialogue. That's how we make progress. Most don't know the difference between debate and deliberation. Debate seeks for a win over another. But deliberation means we tarry over an idea so that progress is made in understanding and knowledge. We also progress through participation...hence the church meetings being fully participatory....unlike the system that binds people into being receivers only, NOT contributors. ...think, indoctrination.

 

[Laurina]

Oh my gosh...

Welcome to the Forum!! :)

 

[MostlyConfused]

I think I might know what discernment is. I sometimes used to think I could see someone’s bad motive only to later find out I was thinking some ill of them that was just a mix up in communication or a misread or false assumption on my part.

But I think discernment is entirely different. You can SEE what they are doing, you aren’t guessing or assuming at all. It’s as if they are broadcasting what they are doing, have done or plan to do. They say or do a thing and then they accuse someone else of doing the thing and it’s very blatant. It’s like they try to convince others that their own bad is someone else’s character and that persons good is their own character.

The most bizarre part of it is that Im pretty sure they do NOT know they do it. I guess that’s “deceiving and being deceived.”
Do they ever escape it?

And if you point it out, boy, they will never, ever forgive you for what they have done to you!

I don’t even know how they get away with it since it is so blatant and unashamed…it’s like Kaa from Junglebook.

 

[Episkopos]

I think I might know what discernment is. I sometimes used to think I could see someone’s bad motive only to later find out I was thinking some ill of them that was just a mix up in communication or a misread or false assumption on my part.

But I think discernment is entirely different. You can SEE what they are doing, you aren’t guessing or assuming at all. It’s as if they are broadcasting what they are doing, have done or plan to do. They say or do a thing and then they accuse someone else of doing the thing and it’s very blatant. It’s like they try to convince others that their own bad is someone else’s character and that persons good is their own character.

The most bizarre part of it is that Im pretty sure they do NOT know they do it. I guess that’s “deceiving and being deceived.”
Do they ever escape it?

And if you point it out, boy, they will never, ever forgive you for what they have done to you!

I don’t even know how they get away with it since it is so blatant and unashamed…it’s like Kaa from Junglebook.

You are blessed to see that AND yet be a believer. In many cases these are mutually exclusive. To be indoctrinated means a leaving behind of honesty and critical thinking. Only then can you lay claim to a glory that is not your own...stealing the promises of God for yourself.

Deceiving and being deceived as you correctly put it. The outer man religion inverts the truth in the deceived ones without the inner man raising a warning. Was the inner man ever regenerated? Or has the covering lie so enveloped the person that no truth is possible?

For these, being "under grace" is actually being under a lie.....a BIG lie. Grace is deceitful. God has sent a strong delusion to those who are not humble nor fear the Lord. The mystery of iniquity is at work in these.

My mission is to rescue fellow believers BEFORE they are sealed in the lie for future judgment. Once this sealing lie covers the soul, there is no longer any way in. At least that has been my experience so far. Although I have reached a number of people with the truth that it seems were not yet fully sealed in iniquity yet.

 

[MostlyConfused]

You are blessed to see that AND yet be a believer. In many cases these are mutually exclusive

Do you mean that unbelievers see it more than believers do? Oh wait, you mean - uh yeah, I don’t know what you mean. Unless it has to do with the vs that says the children of the world are shrewder or wiser than the children of the light? Not sure that makes sense, unless it’s to say they know how to protect themselves and see to their good versus the children of the light being very manipulable and so being harmed…

 

[MostlyConfused]

Your post recalls something I recently read (dont remember where) where someone said there is a “being on the path to iniquity” and then there is being so solidly in it that it’s doubtful you can or will ever escape it.

Ive thought about how we are all so damaged and wondered if those more horribly harmed in childhood than others will be shown more mercy than we know since they can’t seem to heal from it as it was all established by the time they were even 6 or 8.

 

[Episkopos]

Do you mean that unbelievers see it more than believers do? Oh wait, you mean - uh yeah, I don’t know what you mean. Unless it has to do with the vs that says the children of the world are shrewder or wiser than the children of the light? Not sure that makes sense, unless it’s to say they know how to protect themselves and see to their good versus the children of the light being very manipulable and so being harmed…

A non-believer has no skin in the game, as it were. So it is possible for them to see the logic that follows God's ways. They will understand that humility is more important than certainty, for example. As soon as you bring in the religious dimension the human mind tends to throw out basic logic....based on a perceived difference between this world and the next where rules don't apply. Religious people can be made to believe anything based on that. But the truth has a logic to it....an upside down logic to be sure....but it can be tracked by the honest and humble.

Yes, the children of this world are wiser in their way than the children who have been given a sample of light. A little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.

 

[Episkopos]

Your post recalls something I recently read (dont remember where) where someone said there is a “being on the path to iniquity” and then there is being so solidly in it that it’s doubtful you can or will ever escape it.

Ive thought about how we are all so damaged and wondered if those more horribly harmed in childhood than others will be shown more mercy than we know since they can’t seem to heal from it as it was all established by the time they were even 6 or 8.

Is it that or is it that the road to iniquity seems more seductive to those who haven't had to suffer as much???