Be Careful of the wolves in sheeps clothing

[Ronald Nolette]

BTW you should catch "all those false teachings" as we discuss them, and not expect me to have to repeat them.

No one should have to try to ""catch" what you believe are false teachings. One can be wrong just as much as right when trying to "catch" something.

But please list ten teachings that are pretty universally accepted in Christendom you believe are false teachings. I am not asking for your defense of your accusations or a lengthy list of you providing literal or "higher spiritual meaning" verses. Just list the ten you think are common.

 

[ScottA]

Well the only one we have been discussing is the physical ascencion.

But I am awaiting a list of those you say are false specifically.

I know you believe that teh bible as written is very limited and one must get "higher spiritual meaning". So what else are you accussing millions of believers accepting tfalse teachings?

No, your memory fails you. We have discussed many topics, and you had your chance. As I said, I am not going to go back and rehash that which we have already discussed. You can if you want and still have questions, and you can reply again if you want.

 

[ScottA]

I fully acknowledge that. It is not a mortal sin riddled body , but a glorified physical body of flesh and bone. As is written the life of the flesh is in the blood and all resurrected bodies will not have blood but be glorified.

You cannot provide one verse that shows Jesus ditched His resurrected body once the disciples saw Him leave earth and before He arrived in teh 3rd heaven.

that because you are so caught up in rewriting SCripture to show your "higher spiritual meanings" whicvh I think you believed you received when yo uthought you were caught up in the 3rd heaven. Yopu forget God was writing to simple people with simple thoughts so we could understand how to live to glorify Him, throughout the ages. God did not need to wait 2000 yeasrs for you to come along and tell us that for 2000 years the followers of Jesus got it all wrong. That is the methodology of the cults.

We have already covered this--

John 20:17​

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father​

Luke 24:39​

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”​

Nowhere is it written that Jesus will return in a "glorified physical body"--that is a teaching of men. And His returning "in like manner" is not that likeness, but the likeness of what was not seen, which as it is also written, is the glory of God.

These things you have not acknowledge, but keep trying to claim something different.

 

[ScottA]

See you show your ignorance of Scripture. Each and every offense is to be dealt first individually.

Well just because you may disagree with something, does not make it a dfalse teaching.

And if you were a gentleman and teacher, you would gladly provide

I have not said I agree or disagree--but have told you what is true by God, the Holy Spirit speaking.

As for a list--I have told you already, no, you have had your chance "individually" to go over the many passages the we have covered, and if you want, go back yourself.

As for being a gentlemen, that I am, but wield the sword of Christ which cuts both ways.

 

[ScottA]

No one should have to try to ""catch" what you believe are false teachings. One can be wrong just as much as right when trying to "catch" something.

But please list ten teachings that are pretty universally accepted in Christendom you believe are false teachings. I am not asking for your defense of your accusations or a lengthy list of you providing literal or "higher spiritual meaning" verses. Just list the ten you think are common.

No, it is enough that I have renamed a few that are elementary and change the meaning of much of what you have believed. If you find a need for more clarification, ask.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

We have already covered this--

John 20:17​

Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to Me, for I have not yet ascended to My Father​

Luke 24:39​

Behold My hands and My feet, that it is I Myself. Handle Me and see, for a spirit does not have flesh and bones as you see I have.”​

Nowhere is it written that Jesus will return in a "glorified physical body"--that is a teaching of men. And His returning "in like manner" is not that likeness, but the likeness of what was not seen, which as it is also written, is the glory of God.

These things you have not acknowledge, but keep trying to claim something different.

YOu have yet to answer what took place between Jesus telling Mary not to touch Hiom for He had yet gone to teh Father and a week later when He told the disciples to touch HIm.

Yes it is written, you just have reinterpreted it with "higher spiritual meaning" to undo Gods Word.

In Revelation it says every eye will see HIm. Yet you yourself have declared spirits are invisible. Your exegesis of your own "higher spiritual meanings" fall apart in light of the Word of god.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have not said I agree or disagree--but have told you what is true by God, the Holy Spirit speaking.

As for a list--I have told you already, no, you have had your chance "individually" to go over the many passages the we have covered, and if you want, go back yourself.

As for being a gentlemen, that I am, but wield the sword of Christ which cuts both ways.

YOu have only listed 2 things you believe are false teachings of the church. I do not have the time to search for the many threads we have discussed and then search each thread ofr possible things you have declared are false teachings. You are like so many other disengenuous people here. Make sweeping allegations then refuse to provide the evidence to support them.

Well many things of what you accuse the Holy Spirit of speaking go against the Inspired Word of God or are your personal reinterpretations.

Well Yes the Sword of the Word cuts both ways, but you do not wield it.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it is enough that I have renamed a few that are elementary and change the meaning of much of what you have believed. If you find a need for more clarification, ask.

I have asked for clarification and you just obsfuscate and refuse to clarify what these false teachings are.

So far you have named two and one of them you use the same defense the Jehovahs Witness use.

 

[Grailhunter]

 

[Grailhunter]

 

[Behold]

Wow! Again, you even quote the passages, then deny them again returning to the ways of mere men.

As for Paul, he submitted himself to the church, but also called Peter out on his church error, not unlike the error that Jesus had called out Peter out on before as well, for thinking as a man. But even Peter knew that “We ought to obey God rather than men."

But apparently, you do not.

Thus, knowing no better, you turn again to be the accuser after the pattern of Satan.

Good point @ScottA


See, Its a cold dead irony that the very person who wrote this Thread..., Ronald Nolette, is a devout Calvinist.

Calvinist
Calvinist
Calvinist

And He's a Hyper Calvinist, so that the worst of the worst sort of Disciple of Crazy Calvinism.

So, a Calvinist, a deceiver, is SO worried about "other teachers" and wanted to post a Thread about THEM, yet this one worships at the FEET of John Calvin.

So, READERS......we see the "wolf in sheep's clothing" if we have the ability to discern.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

No, it is enough that I have renamed a few that are elementary and change the meaning of much of what you have believed. If you find a need for more clarification, ask.

I will show you how easy it is to name ten.

1. Rejecting the deity of Jesus
2. rejecting the virgin birth
3. Rejecting His physical resurrection.
4. rejecting His physical ascension to heaven
5. Rejecting His physical return to earth
6. Amillennialism
7. Preterism
8. Allegorical hermeneutics
9. Believing one can lose their salvation.
10. Universalism.

See it took only two minutes. You spend more time answering with non answers than it would take to specify 10 things you believe the church has been teaching for 2000 years as you allege.

Teh very fact that you reuse to do so, leads me to think that there is something far more sinister afoot in your refusal to do something so simple and easy..

 

[Grailhunter]

Believing one can lose their salvation.

Interesting? You can do anything you want and still go to Heavan.
Heaven filled to the brim with evil. No room for the devout sorry.
Are you a card carrying "License to Sin" member.

 

[ScottA]

YOu have yet to answer what took place between Jesus telling Mary not to touch Hiom for He had yet gone to teh Father and a week later when He told the disciples to touch HIm.

Yes it is written, you just have reinterpreted it with "higher spiritual meaning" to undo Gods Word.

In Revelation it says every eye will see HIm. Yet you yourself have declared spirits are invisible. Your exegesis of your own "higher spiritual meanings" fall apart in light of the Word of god.

I just did explain what actually happened, you quoted me here above. Typical, you deny what I have said as if I never said it.

As for Revelation and every eye shall see--what do you think I have been telling you? We shall all see, for we hall see Him as He is, for we shall be like Him--which is to say these things do not occur in this world, but in heaven, in spirit, before God, who is spirit. How is it that you do not know that to go to the Father whom is spirit--we too must be spirit...as Christ was also, only unseen in that manner as it is written?

 

[ScottA]

YOu have only listed 2 things you believe are false teachings of the church. I do not have the time to search for the many threads we have discussed and then search each thread ofr possible things you have declared are false teachings. You are like so many other disengenuous people here. Make sweeping allegations then refuse to provide the evidence to support them.

Well many things of what you accuse the Holy Spirit of speaking go against the Inspired Word of God or are your personal reinterpretations.

Well Yes the Sword of the Word cuts both ways, but you do not wield it.

I have listened nothing I merely "believe."

If you don't the time to go back and reread what we already covered--stop asking and pay more attention when we are covering things.

But if you are going to accuse me of accusing the Holy spirit, know that you accuse the Holy spirit of being me--and you blaspheme, which is not forgivable. Perhaps you would like to retract while there is still time.

More accusations and denials. Typical.

 

[ScottA]

I have asked for clarification and you just obsfuscate and refuse to clarify what these false teachings are.

So far you have named two and one of them you use the same defense the Jehovahs Witness use.

Who is refusing who, depends on who is correct, and your reference to what others believe is no defense.

 

[ScottA]

I will show you how easy it is to name ten.

1. Rejecting the deity of Jesus
2. rejecting the virgin birth
3. Rejecting His physical resurrection.
4. rejecting His physical ascension to heaven
5. Rejecting His physical return to earth
6. Amillennialism
7. Preterism
8. Allegorical hermeneutics
9. Believing one can lose their salvation.
10. Universalism.

See it took only two minutes. You spend more time answering with non answers than it would take to specify 10 things you believe the church has been teaching for 2000 years as you allege.

Teh very fact that you reuse to do so, leads me to think that there is something far more sinister afoot in your refusal to do something so simple and easy..

I have answered already, but you have denied it and seek more because you still do not believe. That is all on you.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I just did explain what actually happened, you quoted me here above. Typical, you deny what I have said as if I never said it.

As for Revelation and every eye shall see--what do you think I have been telling you? We shall all see, for we hall see Him as He is, for we shall be like Him--which is to say these things do not occur in this world, but in heaven, in spirit, before God, who is spirit. How is it that you do not know that to go to the Father whom is spirit--we too must be spirit...as Christ was also, only unseen in that manner as it is written?

Stop lying. You did not explain. Unless you spoke in some secret code that only you got when you allege you went to the third heaven.

What happened between Mary and Thomas in that week, and what happened to Jesus body after He started His ascension back to heaven?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I have listened nothing I merely "believe."

If you don't the time to go back and reread what we already covered--stop asking and pay more attention when we are covering things.

But if you are going to accuse me of accusing the Holy spirit, know that you accuse the Holy spirit of being me--and you blaspheme, which is not forgivable. Perhaps you would like to retract while there is still time.

More accusations and denials. Typical.

You do not even know what teh Blasphemy of the Holy Sspirit is. That is sad for someone who pretends they went to the third heaven.

We have tangled on many threads and have had hundreds of repsoneses ot each other. You do not remember everything I wrote, nor do I remember everything you wrote as is expected of humans.

I just simply asked for a concise list as I wrote as an example. Teh fact you refuse to do so is very telling of character.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Who is refusing who, depends on who is correct, and your reference to what others believe is no defense.

YOu are great at giving non answers and obfuscating the responses you should be given, you are a master of non-answer, answers. Folks like you who love to make claims and refuse to support after asked (even if a second time) are a dime a dozen.