How Confidant Are You Being Saved?
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mailmandan
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not saved according to scripture!
mk 13:13 mt 10:22 mt 24:13 he who endures to the end shall be saved!
thks
then how can three things be eternal? 1 cor 13:13
how can charity save? 1 cor 13:2
how come we are not saved the first second we believe? rom 13:11
Romans 13:11
And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.
thks
Jesus!
Luke 14:27
And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot bemy disciple.
can you be saved without being a disciple?
thks
mailmandan
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Not according to your misinterpretation. In Ephesians 2:8, the phrase "you have been saved" uses the Greek perfect tense which accurately describes a completed action in the past (saved from the PENALTY of sin) with ongoing, present results.
Endurance is the mark of authentic faith. Endurance does not buy salvation. It shows that the faith is real. A spurious faith that abandons Christ was not saving faith. Hence, he who endures to the end shall be saved.
mailmandan
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Paul is stressing that love is the greater quality of the three because God is love and it outlasts them all. Long after the "evidence of things not seen" are now seen (Hebrews 11:1) once we are in the presence of the Lord and we are no longer looking for the "blessed hope" - (expectation of what is sure) and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) because He has appeared and believers will be with Him forever, love will still be the principle that governs all that God and his saints are and do throughout eternity in the new heaven and new earth. So Paul is not teaching that we are saved by faith "plus acts of love/works as you suppose.
In regard to Romans 13:11, I see that you are still confusing the different tenses of salvation: Justification - present with Glorification - future.
mailmandan
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All scripture is inspired but not all scripture is properly interpreted by you.
mailmandan
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No and being a disciple of Jesus is a serious, lifelong commitment and not just a shallow, temporary choice.
We should probably know if we were absolutely sincere when we trusted in Jesus and believed in His sacrifice on the cross for our personal sins.
Even though our heart is not 100% reliable, the evidence of a changed life due to the Holy Spirit entering us should be a good indication that we are saved.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
Of course, we should trust what the scriptures say about how to be saved, but our feelings and intuition can come into play. Plus, the Holy Spirit encourages us.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Finally, you may get a Red Sea event that assures you that God approves of you. Some miracle that seems like it is God wanting you to know that you belong to Him.
Like being granted a godly, thoroughly Christian wife — a precious gift that God certainly would not give to an unbeliever.
Even though our heart is not 100% reliable, the evidence of a changed life due to the Holy Spirit entering us should be a good indication that we are saved.
Jeremiah 17:9
The heart is deceitful above all things
and beyond cure.
Who can understand it?
Of course, we should trust what the scriptures say about how to be saved, but our feelings and intuition can come into play. Plus, the Holy Spirit encourages us.
Romans 8:16
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit that we are the children of God.
Finally, you may get a Red Sea event that assures you that God approves of you. Some miracle that seems like it is God wanting you to know that you belong to Him.
Like being granted a godly, thoroughly Christian wife — a precious gift that God certainly would not give to an unbeliever.
eph 2 refers to redemption
it was completed 2000 yrs ago by Christ and we did even exist
when was saul saved?
thks
our salvation is nearer not our glorification
three are eternal not faith alone
our salvation is nearer not our glorification
three are eternal not faith alone
you should ignored 1 cor 13:2
even all faith without charity avails nothing
thks
mailmandan
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We are saved through faith during our existence and not prior to it.
On the road to Damascus.
mailmandan
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There are 3 tenses to salvation and the third tense is glorification.
You misunderstood the point that Paul was making in 1 Corinthians 13:2. Again, Paul uses hyperbole about understanding ALL mysteries and ALL knowledge and having faith that can move mountains yet having NO love to express the importance of love. Faith works through love (Galatians 5:6), but we are saved through faith, not faith "plus love/acts of charity/works."
Love is the greatest quality between faith, hope and love (1 Corinthians 13:13) because God is love and it outlasts faith and hope. Long after the "evidence of things not seen" (Hebrews 11:1) are now seen and we are no longer looking for the "blessed hope" - (expectation of what is sure) and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ (Titus 2:13) because we are now in His presence, love will still be the principle that governs all that God and his saints are and do throughout eternity in the new heaven and new earth.
Paul is not teaching that even if our faith is genuine that our faith cannot save us without producing "enough" love/acts of charity which culminates in salvation by works. Paul is stressing the importance of love, not teaching that faith in Christ is insufficient to save us without the merits of our best efforts to love.
From beginning 'have been saved through faith" (Ephesians 2:8) to end "receiving the end of your faith--the salvation of your souls" (1 Peter 1:9) salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works. Salvation is through faith (righly understood) in Jesus Christ alone.
mailmandan
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The ultimate author and primary interpreter of scripture is the Holy Spirit, who grants discernment to believers. (1 Corinthians 2:11-14) Scripture does not point to a single modern office or individual as having exclusive monopoly over interpretation.
not saved but justified
the initial grace of justification not eternal salvation
Jn 1:16
And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
thks
Getting born again is being saved which is receiving eternal life.
Romans 10
9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
1 John 5:13
13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.
Acts 16
30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
32 And they spake unto him the word of the Lord, and to all that were in his house.
33 And he took them the same hour of the night, and washed their stripes; and was baptized, he and all his, straightway.
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