How Confidant Are You Being Saved?

[faithhopecharity]

This does not clarify the issue. It confirms it. You are defining salvation as a process in which a man is justified freely, but must afterward preserve himself through works and endurance in order to receive eternal salvation. That makes final salvation depend upon man’s performance.

Your outline begins by inserting meanings into Titus 2:14 that the verse does not give. “Redeem us from all iniquity” is redemption, but “purify unto himself a peculiar people” is not called justification. Justification is God declaring the ungodly righteous through faith in Christ: “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24). Good works follow salvation, but they do not complete it.

You quoted 1 John 5:13, but it contradicts your position: “that ye may know that ye have eternal life.” John does not say believers merely have provisional life while waiting to see whether they persevere successfully. Jesus said the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).

Endurance is necessary, but true believers endure because God preserves them. They are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). Paul said those whom God justified, “them he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). No justified person disappears between justification and glorification.

The warning passages call professing believers to examine themselves and continue in the faith. They do not teach that someone born of God, sealed by the Spirit, and given eternal life can become unborn, unsealed, and finally condemned. Those who permanently abandon Christ reveal what they were: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19).

The issue is not whether believers should obey, suffer, endure, and pursue holiness. They should. The issue is what guarantees their final salvation. Your answer is continued human cooperation. Scripture’s answer is Jesus Christ: “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).

A long list of verses still does not provide what was requested: one passage teaching that a person truly justified by God and given eternal life can finally perish.

Justification is more than your narrow definition

it including sanctifying grace that makes us holy

thks

 

[faithhopecharity]

This does not clarify the issue. It confirms it. You are defining salvation as a process in which a man is justified freely, but must afterward preserve himself through works and endurance in order to receive eternal salvation. That makes final salvation depend upon man’s performance.

Your outline begins by inserting meanings into Titus 2:14 that the verse does not give. “Redeem us from all iniquity” is redemption, but “purify unto himself a peculiar people” is not called justification. Justification is God declaring the ungodly righteous through faith in Christ: “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24). Good works follow salvation, but they do not complete it.

You quoted 1 John 5:13, but it contradicts your position: “that ye may know that ye have eternal life.” John does not say believers merely have provisional life while waiting to see whether they persevere successfully. Jesus said the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).

Endurance is necessary, but true believers endure because God preserves them. They are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). Paul said those whom God justified, “them he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). No justified person disappears between justification and glorification.

The warning passages call professing believers to examine themselves and continue in the faith. They do not teach that someone born of God, sealed by the Spirit, and given eternal life can become unborn, unsealed, and finally condemned. Those who permanently abandon Christ reveal what they were: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19).

The issue is not whether believers should obey, suffer, endure, and pursue holiness. They should. The issue is what guarantees their final salvation. Your answer is continued human cooperation. Scripture’s answer is Jesus Christ: “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).

A long list of verses still does not provide what was requested: one passage teaching that a person truly justified by God and given eternal life can finally perish.

Justification is more than your narrow definition

it includes

This does not clarify the issue. It confirms it. You are defining salvation as a process in which a man is justified freely, but must afterward preserve himself through works and endurance in order to receive eternal salvation. That makes final salvation depend upon man’s performance.

Your outline begins by inserting meanings into Titus 2:14 that the verse does not give. “Redeem us from all iniquity” is redemption, but “purify unto himself a peculiar people” is not called justification. Justification is God declaring the ungodly righteous through faith in Christ: “Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus” (Romans 3:24). Good works follow salvation, but they do not complete it.

You quoted 1 John 5:13, but it contradicts your position: “that ye may know that ye have eternal life.” John does not say believers merely have provisional life while waiting to see whether they persevere successfully. Jesus said the believer “hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life” (John 5:24).

Endurance is necessary, but true believers endure because God preserves them. They are “kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation” (1 Peter 1:5). Jesus said, “I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish” (John 10:28). Paul said those whom God justified, “them he also glorified” (Romans 8:30). No justified person disappears between justification and glorification.

The warning passages call professing believers to examine themselves and continue in the faith. They do not teach that someone born of God, sealed by the Spirit, and given eternal life can become unborn, unsealed, and finally condemned. Those who permanently abandon Christ reveal what they were: “They went out from us, but they were not of us” (1 John 2:19).

The issue is not whether believers should obey, suffer, endure, and pursue holiness. They should. The issue is what guarantees their final salvation. Your answer is continued human cooperation. Scripture’s answer is Jesus Christ: “He which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ” (Philippians 1:6).

A long list of verses still does not provide what was requested: one passage teaching that a person truly justified by God and given eternal life can finally perish.

Good works follow salvation defeats the purpose!

Good works unto salvation establishes the purpose!

The means of our salvation is according to the purpose of our creation!

To Know, Love, & serve God!

eph 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Col 1:9-12

9 For this cause we also, since the day we heard it, do not cease to pray for you, and to desire that ye might be filled with the knowledge of his will in all wisdom and spiritual understanding;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;

11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;

12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:

grace now! eternal salvation after!

Hebrews 10:36
For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

rom 2:6-7

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:

rom 6:22
But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.

thks

 

[amigo de christo]

Good day to you also! I shall heartily disagree. Israel is and remains the children of Jacob.

We are rather called the children of Abraham. Israel and the gentiles are both branches of the tree that is Abraham.

Much love!

you mean to say we are branches of the tree upon WHOM ABRAHAM HAD FAITH IN .
FAITH IN GOD .
a gentile can as can a jew WAIL . and WAIL THEY WILL . for if one denies GOD they will surely wail
and if one thus DENIES HIS CHRIST , oh dear WAIL THEY WILL .
Now it is true that israel is of the lineage of Jacob , thus of issac , thus of abraham .
BUT LETS SEE WHAT THE CHRIST OF GOD said to this lineage
WHEN they failed to BELIEVE ON HIM .
YE are of your father , THE DEVIL . Abraham BELIEVED GOD
and thus if one has the faith of abraham , THEY HAD CLEARLY BELIEVED THE CHRIST OF GOD .
Many gonna wail mark . MANY . and here is who the many will be
ANYONE WHO DENEID JESUS THE CHRIST and anyone who even if they lipped his name
WERE co helpers to the lie . THE LIE that made UNBELIEF okay . SO allow me to warn us all .
Get everyone you know outta anything ecumenical and its inclusive intefaith RIGHT NOW .
THE WHOLE HOUS E is coming DOWN ON JESUS day and everyone who had a part in it , GOING DOWN WITH IT .

 

[amigo de christo]

Justification is more than your narrow definition

it including sanctifying grace that makes us holy

thks

and now a word .
IF anyone calls the JUSTIFIER a liar , do know and understand YE are not and cannot be JUSTIFIED .
SO now a word .
Get every man woman and child , donkey and dog outta anything ecumenical and NOW .
You see to call GOD a liar , NOT GOOD .
And here is who calls GOD a liar . HE WHO BLEIEVES NOT the testimony that GOD gave of ..........THE SON .
ONLY that aint what ecumeincal intefaith be saying . IT LIED TO every man woman and child , to every religon
and christendom and said HEY we all serving the same GOD and we all just come to him in different ways .
KINDA ODD dont ya think . AND THEY call that love , and they cliam its of GOD
and they cliam tis the path to PEACE n safety .
THEY DEAD WRONG ON ALL accounts , IT has DENIED THE LOVE OF GOD , IT be NOT OF GOD
and its path is the path to THEIR OWN SUDDEN DES TRUcTION ON JESUS DAY .
GET THEM OUT
WARN A SOUL .
NOW .

 

[bdavidc]

Justification is more than your narrow definition

faithhopecharity I have tried to share the actual truths of the bible with you so you would know them, it seems to me you are just blind to them and keep pushing the same works for final salvation that the scriptures do not teach, I think I have done what I can and now I am putting you on ignore. The word of God is clear enough for those who will hear it.