BIRTHRIGHT CITIZENSHIP UPHELD

[Wrangler]

That is actually a good question, however when they seceded from England as one, and became one, the North did not allow the South to secede primarily because President Abraham Lincoln and northern leaders viewed secession as an illegal act of rebellion that would destroy the United States.

This view is incorrect. The States were granted independent status at the conclusion of the war with Britain and in their sovereign capacity established the super-state compact. Other States joined this super-state compact and that did not destroy the USA.

Finally, like the war for independence, King George remained on the throne of England. Had Lincoln allowed the States to secede peacefully, he would have remained President of the USA, albeit with fewer States as members.

Regarding the claim of legality, that is only within the framework of the union the States voluntarily joined, such laws do not pertain to acts of Sovereign States acting in their sovereign capacity. The power of YES is the power of NO. Texas seceded from Mexico and then in their sovereign capacity chose to become a member of the USA. Why did Texas have the right to secede from Mexico but not the USA?

 

[Always]

This view is incorrect. The States were granted independent status at the conclusion of the war with Britain and in their sovereign capacity established the super-state compact. Other States joined this super-state compact and that did not destroy the USA.

Finally, like the war for independence, King George remained on the throne of England. Had Lincoln allowed the States to secede peacefully, he would have remained President of the USA, albeit with fewer States as members.

Regarding the claim of legality, that is only within the framework of the union the States voluntarily joined, such laws do not pertain to acts of Sovereign States acting in their sovereign capacity. The power of YES is the power of NO. Texas seceded from Mexico and then in their sovereign capacity chose to become a member of the USA. Why did Texas have the right to secede from Mexico but not the USA?

That's debatable, however the US states are not fully sovereign nations in the international sense. What they were given was a limited form of self-government and local power under the U.S. Constitution, ultimate national and international sovereignty belongs exclusively to the federal government.

Texas was annexed into the United States in 1845. Now this is what gets me, shouldn't they had followed the law...and if not, their actions be viewed as rebellion? I would think Lincoln and any other leader in his position, would think to put a stop to that.

 

[Wrangler]

What they were given was a limited form of self-government and local power under the U.S. Constitution

Wrong. The States created the Constitution, not the other way around. And it states that all States are equal, meaning States added after the founding have equal recognition as the Creating States.

 

[PS95]

No, and I don't know how you got that out of that statement?

Somehow I managed it. could be the South will rise again- combined with how many times I and others have been accused of being racist against the brown people for saying we should have secured borders always.

It seemed also that you were saying that the war wasn't really to free the slaves- there may have been other intentions not to collapse the nation- Of course we would not want that!~~~ but my gg grandfather was a Yankee soldier and he wanted the slaves freed- we have his letters. We never know what is in the heart of another.

 

[Ziggy]

I know one thing.
I'm watching some Senate Foreign Affairs for "media" nominees and was passed today I think 121 positions en bloc.
And I'm really getting tired of everyone being concerned about the Taxpayers dollars.
Not Citizens. Just your taxes.
And something about people today, some like human AI. transformers. Somewhat sterile and programmed in their replies.

What happens when there are no more Taxpayers Dollars?

What happens when there are no more taxpayers?

So Tuesday the hospice company that provides care like a nurse and cna, that come by 2 - times a week for about 1/2 hr visit, decided that dad isn't dying fast enough they have to discontinue the service until he takes a turn for the worse.
He is 91, had a stroke 2 years ago. He doesn't walk can't roll himself over, can barely feed himself.
And I take care of him 24/7/365.
I don't know how to flush a catheter, but I'm going to learn.
Now with that, there is a medical bed and a lift that the insurance covers for people in home hospice.
They are coming to get them tomorrow, or later today. It's Friday almost 3am.
So the other day knowing that they were coming to get the equipment I went out and bought dad a new bed.
They can't take this one away. I already have my own Hoyer to transfer him from when he first came home.

So out with the old and in with the new later today.
The pharmacy called and said they "updated" their billing policies and now dad needs to pay on his meds.
That's ok, he only takes 2. Nothing I can't keep on top of with a good diet. If you can find good food.
It's getting interesting out here folks.

World is changing fast and I'm not sure I'm liking all the changes.
But we'll get by until we don't.
I wish I was 20 years younger and in better health. And the fog brain won't go away.
I feel like I'm operation on one cylinder lol

I find the past interesting, the present rather stressful and tense, and who knows what tomorrow will bring.
I will Keep Praising the Lord and holding onto my faith whatever may come our way.

Maybe the new Birthright Citizens will be the new Taxpayers.
I don't think that's going to work out to well, but I suppose anything is possible.
Crazy Days.
Hugs

 

[Taken]

That says it all right there. The South seceded; the North waged war. Why did the South have the right to secede from England but not the North?

One was Escaping, Ruler and Land.
One had “Agreed” to Join a Union via (statehood), and their Word, “Agree-ment” to NOT, Secede.

(Similar current issue happening between Ukraine and Russia.
Ukraine granted Nation-hood, and present Leadership, Breaking the “Agreement” that established their “Nation”.)

Also, like the “chatter” of Texas being able to “Secede”…No, that was / is not a legal option.
Texas has a “clause” in their “statehood” joining, to divide into 5 separate states, but has never invoked that option.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

One was Escaping, Ruler and Land.
One had “Agreed” to Join a Union via (statehood), and their Word, “Agree-ment” to NOT, Secede.

Untrue. This permanent union was found in the Articles of Confederation, which the States seceded from to form the Constitution. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution deliberately lacks any language like permanent union.

Again, the power of yes is the power of no. Given the States have the power to approve the Constitution, it follows they have the power to reject it and rescind it.

This is the case with Rhode Island. George Washington did not wage war against Rhode Island. What does that tell you?

 

[Taken]

I do believe there will be a way to dissolve that "citizen" status by the under the jurisdiction clause, and proof of the parents being born citizens. We will fix it. I don't know how, there a lot smarter lawyers on Capitol Hill. I'm sure they will thin of something.
We can always Pray.
And I know God hears prayers.
Hugs

Problem…
Most modern “US lawyers” are highly schooled in “case law”…

Anyone from a common bartender to a schooled lawyer can “run” and become “elected to a US political position”…even one granted Law making authority Via such elected position.

Being “elected”, to a political position, does NOT mean they ARE “Keen, Aware, Knowledgable” of the Limits of American Governance.

They ARE elected and promise by Oath … To Protect a Citizens LIBERTY.

What has occurred for Decades IS “many of those elected”…. Have engaged in Backroom meetings for the purpose of Trading citizens LIBERTY for “favors” that which “personally enrich the elected”.
And…
Some / Many of the “elected” have “proudly” made a Decades Long Career, of such a ruse.

Whether it be “Granted” …citizenship, healthcare, education, shelter, food, etc. given to one, (which always comes at the expense of a governing compelled / forced taxpayer)…
The “giving” CAN BE Revoked / Stopped without recourse for the “receiver”, but to take care (financially) of their own.

The “taking care of one’s own…
IS … Liberty,
IS … Scriptural, (fixed objective standard and principle from God) 1 Tim 5:8

Yet there ARE presently over 450 active government Agencies, sucking citizens and foreigners into “freebies” scams, that which “taxpayers” get the financial burden and that “little clause”, the recipient can be at any time “cut off” of the receiving end.

It (scam) goes “deeper”… and why, you are now, your dads provider.

May God bless you abundantly.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Untrue. This permanent union was found in the Articles of Confederation, which the States seceded from to form the Constitution. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution deliberately lacks any language like permanent union.

Again, the power of yes is the power of no. Given the States have the power to approve the Constitution, it follows they have the power to reject it and rescind it.

This is the case with Rhode Island. George Washington did not wage war against Rhode Island. What does that tell you?

You are in error.

Colonies, individually Renounced their “Allegiance” to Great Britain and their king.

Colonies, and lands, peoples further westward, individually Agreed to Join the US Unions of statehoods, according to Statehood “Agreements”.

What are you referring to regarding Rhode Island and Geo Washington?

Rhode Island was (quite sure), the 13th (last) British Colony to denounce Allegiance to Britain and Join the Union as A US State.

 

[Taken]

Untrue. This permanent union was found in the Articles of Confederation, which the States seceded from to form the Constitution. Unlike the Articles of Confederation, the Constitution deliberately lacks any language like permanent union.

The Constitution Also lacks any language for a State to Secede.
The Constitution IS the Agreement of A Land of bordered Statehood Agrees to be a Adjoined / a Part of.

Can a State “secede”?
Sure.
Legally, no.
Not Legally, because, there IS NO Constitutional “measure” / “Law” / provision, protocol, form… to secede.

Any “state”, declaring secession, would by word and writ… be declaring, their “separation From the Union”… and THUS by All means…cut off… from US…
Representation,
Say so,
Funds,
Military,
Etc.

In essence Making themselves “Foreign Lands, Governments and citizens”.

Again, the power of yes is the power of no. Given the States have the power to approve the Constitution, it follows they have the power to reject it and rescind it.

Sure.

Scripturally… the power of Yes…is to BE Sure, Before Committing.

This is the case with Rhode Island. George Washington did not wage war against Rhode Island. What does that tell you?

Tells me, Rhode Island was “discussing”, (longer than “other British Colonies”, MAKING SURE, they were WILLING to commit to a YES (agreement to Join the Union, Before Making the “Yes commitment”.)

 

[Wrangler]

The Constitution Also lacks any language for a State to Secede.

See 10A, powers reserved for the States.

 

[Jack]

I was VERY surprised in fact by this, I thought it would at least be more evenly split.

The Supreme Court also allowed states to ban transgender athletes though, so it like 1 win each for Democrats and Republicans both. I guess no one can be entirely happy.

https://www.cnn.com/2026/06/30/politics/transgender-athletes-supreme-court-decision-what-to-know

Men competing against women, such COWARDICE!

 

[Jack]

How about World Government

Revelation 13:7 Authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

 

[Taken]

See 10A, powers reserved for the States.

Sure states have powers.

The (Central) Federal Government IS the power that oversees, governs “US Citizenship”…. Natural born, Granted, Revoking of Granted, Accepting of Volunteer Natural born EX-patriots, per their specific (who, what, when, how, why) “rule- making authority “. <—-> which is Typically NOT always IN the Statute itself, but rather in the Regulations.

 

[Ziggy]

Sure states have powers.

The (Central) Federal Government IS the power that oversees, governs “US Citizenship”…. Natural born, Granted, Revoking of Granted, Accepting of Volunteer Natural born EX-patriots, per their specific (who, what, when, how, why) “rule- making authority “. <—-> which is Typically NOT always IN the Statute itself, but rather in the Regulations.

Sometimes it's not even in the hands of the Elected Officials that the People give power to have that authority.
Even the States are um, encouraged and sometimes unaware that they too are being directed by unseen hands.

I'm not entirely sure who really is running everything.
We like to believe we can make our own decisions, but since the flu, I noticed that it's not the faces we do see that are running anything.
They are either taking orders, or are in ignorance, or try to make decisions and get answers but are blocked.
Who is doing the blocking?
Who creates the narratives?
So if there is a "force" that says open borders are good, and the People say we want them closed,
There is a lot of "persuasion" and not just financial but pure manipulation behind the scenes.

The only reason Thune isn't bringing things to the floor in the Senate, isn't because he has a pet peeve with the President.
Not because he doesn't think there are enough votes.
His hands are tied. But by who?

and they all have interesting hand gestures. Lately I been noticing when he speaks on the floor, his hands make a gesture as if he was holding a , but I could be wrong. I think he is up against the wall and there is no way out.
So he is damned if he brings things on the floor and damned if he don't by the people that elected him to that position.

Have I mentioned that we are living in dangerous times?

I don't think we even know who is running the (Central) Federal government. I know there are people trying to push back but,
they don't call it the "deep" state for nothing.

Hugs

 

[Taken]

Sometimes it's not even in the hands of the Elected Officials that the People give power to have that authority.

Money, Influence, Foreknowledge, Secrets, Favors.. all play a part in Politics.
From the Ancient and to Modern times of heads of State / “kings” ( the face of “authority ), there was and is the unseen faces holding the control of mega wealth, that directs the schemes, plots, ways, directions, like a puppet master dressing their puppets up in the finest linen and comfort dwellings lifestyle.
( Barons, Shadow dwellers, whatever term… they wield power and influence the greedy can not resist )

And thus, on a large scale, the players of “career” politician's, become advantaged in a place of instant wealth, and “stuck”…

Because “lawfully” it is “their job” to call out, censor or boot out, their members involved in wrong doing… but don’t, because they might be “next” to be called out.

By the Grace of God, who listens, watches, the USA, has been Blessed with Trump sitting in an honorable seat.

Trump is a Thorn, an Outsider and an Anomaly “per politics as usual.”
He is Not a politician, needs Not the puppet masters Wealth, Says what he thinks and the more Daggers they stick in his back, the harder he works FOR preserving of the American Peoples LIBERTY, Granted by God Himself.
And
As Always Thanks and Blessing be unto Our Mighty Lord God.

God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Ziggy]

Psa 119:69
The proud have forged a lie against me: but I will keep thy precepts with my whole heart.

sa 54:17
No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, saith the LORD.

This bio that spread around the world is having a lot of effects on the stability of the minds.
And the "cure" was simply a reinforcer of a one two punch.

They bypassed the President and withheld the real information and the true intent.
I believe he had his suspicions and tried heartily to relieve the fear and steer away from the second punch.
But he literally had the world against him.

I think those of us who knew to avoid the second punch, didn't take into account the damage the first punch would have.
Not only on the physical body but also on the mind.
That's why we are seeing so many people that are showing their insides on the outside. And I don't believe that they are aware of themselves.

It's been about 2 months maybe 3, that the ability to stay focused and communicate on a rational basis has really kicked in.
But it's not a steady, some days are better than others.
I notice when the pressure is high, overcast, cloudy, rain, that it's more prominent than on sunny days.

Seems those that put their absolute and unwavering trust in the Lord and his protection didn't fare as badly as many.
I am praying and have been praying that there is some kind of reversal or expiration on when and if this will eventually wear off.

Nothing like being non complicit or unaware of being used as lab rats on a worldwide scale.
Seems the only RATS it didn't infect are those who were complicit in the deception.

All the news you see on the media is just a side effect and a distraction from the real evil that was unleashed on the world.
And they say, there will always be another pandemic as long as they are able and funded to keep experimenting on things better left alone.

I could speak plainly, but in today's manipulated algorithms it is hard to bypass the censorship even still.

People need to learn the truth. I just pray this don't get swept under the rug as political or insignificant and they are able to continue in their warped analytical mindsets.


Hugs

 

[Always]

Somehow I managed it. could be the South will rise again- combined with how many times I and others have been accused of being racist against the brown people for saying we should have secured borders always.

It seemed also that you were saying that the war wasn't really to free the slaves- there may have been other intentions not to collapse the nation- Of course we would not want that!~~~ but my gg grandfather was a Yankee soldier and he wanted the slaves freed- we have his letters. We never know what is in the heart of another.

Not knowing your age, you may not know that the term "South will rise again" was a racial threat that southerners used, promoting white supremacy, that is why people of color take offense the term "make America great again" it's taken in that same context.

and I do agree with you that their were whites that wanted the slaves freed of course, they were Christians, or people with hearts that knew it was wrong, the Underground Railroad was created by whites and former slaves and finance by whites. Yes I agree that we never know what's in one's hearts.

I want to make one thing clear, I'm not a supporter of illegal immigration, in the sense of man's law, however I do not in anyway approve of abolishing birthright citizenship, if the child was born here, there has to be some way of working something out, and I don't like the way this government is treating people, and hurting innocent people because of one man using hatred of others as tool to advance his political agenda