There Should Be Only One Denomination: The Raw Word of God

[PinSeeker]

The entire notion is contemptuous...

To you. I get it.

You're treating blasphemy as though it only exists when someone consciously sneers at God. That is absurdly narrow.

<chuckles> No, I'm just saying that regarding what they are saying, and what you are saying about it. So, specifically what you narrowed it to.

A 130 year old manmade system that takes the Jerusalem Christ named, the Temple He identified, the Judea He addressed, the armies He foretold, and the generation He said would not pass away until they saw the prophecy fulfilled.. and then performs the theological equivalent of ripping Christ’s words out of the mouths of the people standing before Him, hurling them two thousand years into the future, constructing a magical second Temple He never pointed to, inventing another audience He never addressed, and announcing that everyone present during the original prophecy was merely scenery for a message supposedly meant for modern prophecy addicts.

That is not interpretation.
That is scriptural abduction.
That is contempt for the authority of His words whether the people repeating it intend contempt or not.

I think that is just, really, how some folks try to paint it.

Good intentions don't baptize contradiction... especially when the contradiction is this spiritually dangerous.

Right, I agree, but some don't see any contradiction... and it may not even be that, but even if it is, they are not intentionally contradicting.

Sincerity doesn't make theological insubordination holy...

Goodness gracious... "theological insubordination"... <chuckles> I mean that's just ridiculous. Insubordination is an intentional thing, TGOC, so you're making my point for me. <smile>

, nor does it erase the fact that the system places Christ’s own testimony beneath a later human scheme that no apostle...

It's just a misunderstanding, TGOC. Not to minimize it, or say it's insignificant, but yeah, dispensationalists are just wrong.

...I call it blasphemous because the entire structure treats the plain words of Christ as disposable whenever it interferes with their doctrine.

Okay, do what you want. Whether that's the effect or not is debatable, but in any case, that's not the intent. They're just wrong.

If you don't think that's blasphemy, then to me, that's terrifying.

<eye roll> It's not blasphemy.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Your posts are divisive and judgmental. What motivates you?

The word of God.

Truth is often called “divisive” by people who prefer peace with error.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Can you concede many, if not most, do interpret the way you say?

Putting yourself as superior to all other interpreters is what this thread is about. The church of YOUR interpretation. Not too humble.

Yes, many interpret it that way. Thats precisely the spiritually dangerous problem being discussed.

Christ named Jerusalem, Judea, the Temple, the surrounding armies, and “this generation.” Pointing that out is not placing myself above Scripture or founding “the church of my interpretation.” It's asking later interpreters to remain beneath the words actually written which Darby absolutely did not do. He took God's word and turned it into Star Wars.

Your response doesnt explain why Christ's named locations, visible Temple, immediate audience, and stated timeframe should be magically transported thousands of years into the future. Instead, you just accuse the person demanding an answer of lacking humility.

Thats not a rebuttal; its tone-policing used as a refuge from the text.

 

[PinSeeker]

Yes, many interpret it that way. Thats precisely the spiritually dangerous problem being discussed. Christ named Jerusalem, Judea, the Temple, the surrounding armies, and “this generation.”

There has been much disagreement among Christians about what Christ meant by "this generation" ever since He made that statement and Matthew recorded it. Even so, there is no disagreement with regard to... well, the height... the importance and truth of what He said. It's really... in English terms... that prepositional phrase and it's true meaning and impact that's the issue; no one is purposefully denying it or reframing it.

...should be magically transported thousands of years into the future.

This is the real issue. Some say that by "this generation," which contained at that time 70 A.D., that's all He was referring to. Some people, yes, say that by "this generation," He was referring to a distant future ~ unknown to anybody but Him or possibly even to Him ~ timeframe. Some say, TGOC ~ some say <smile> ~ He was referring to both. <smile> In other words, was He talking about the generation alive in 70 A.D., or was he talking about a distant, future generation? Well, some say, yes.... <smile> ...that it's a layered prophecy, meaning there is at least one, and possibly many, "lesser," or penultimate fulfillments, and one ultimate fulfillment. <smile>

Instead, you just accuse the person demanding an answer of lacking humility.

It is what it is... <smile>

Thats not a rebuttal; its tone-policing used as a refuge from the text.

Pfffffft.

Grace and peace to you.

 

[Jack]

Don't worry. Soon there will be only one. God is going to clean His House. Blood will flow.

1 Peter 4:17
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God;

 

[Taken]

Maximum blasphemy.

Then they forge that distortion into modern "dispensationalism"; a prophetic system unknown to the apostles, unknown to the Church Fathers, developed in the nineteenth century around Darby and his followers, and spread through Protestant Christianity around the turn of the twentieth century.

A system that overrides the stated setting and timeframe of Scripture, places Christ’s fulfillment on hold, and demands another Temple, another crisis, and another generation living thousands of years removed from Christ’s actual audience.

Again Disagree with you and your narrative.

Dispensationalism IS a theological system.
The “system” That which…
*emphasizes the literal interpretation of Bible prophecy
AND
*recognizes a distinction between Israel and her Temple / her People…
AND
* Christ’ Church and her Members.
AND
* distinct Prophetic Times … the Lord God, (delivers, rescues, saves), Each…
Faithful individual
OF
Commonly called “JEWS” ie. (ISRAEL)
AND
“GENTILES” ie. (all others NOT ISRAEL)

Scripture expressly reveals…
Days, Seasons, Years, Times…
Revealing Prophecy, Bit by Bit…
Anciently KNOWN…
Historically KNOWN…
Modernly KNOWN…
AND…
MORE IS Secret …TO BE Revealed…
AT…
A Time of Gods choosing.

God Does NOT desire men to BE Ignorant of what Has been Revealed …
OR
Of Prophecy men Wait TO see come to pass.

Routinely, Anciently, Historically, Modernly…
Human men, Have been given “Glimpses”…
OF…
Beautiful
AND
Harsh
Realities, of the EFFECTS
OF Prophetic Fulfillments.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Wrangler]

The word of God.

Truth is often called “divisive” by people who prefer peace with error.

You're too arrogant for me. Make a blessed day.

 

[shepherdsword]

Listing a bunch of other heresies does not make this one disappear. Thats not an answer; its a smoke bomb. Jesus named Jerusalem, He named Judea, He pointed at the Temple. He said “this generation” will experience it. Rome came, the city was surrounded, and the Temple was destroyed in 70AD. You can scream about Joel Osteen, Toronto, woke moonbat churches, AI, and more, but none of it moves Christ’s words on this one inch.

And this blasphemous lie that Christ’s prophecy somehow failed, or that He did not even understand the timing of His own words which were magically meant for people living 2,000 years later; became the foundation of more than a century of sustained doctrinal brainwashing, training millions of Christians to distrust the plain words of Jesus Christ whenever those words threaten the system from hell they inherited.. one that leads them straight back to it.

Fact: Jesus did not return in 70ad. If you limit Matt 24 to that generation then you must also apply the second coming to that generation as well. The generation is actually applies to is the one that begins to see the signs happening that Jesus spoke of.

I would call that one of the most alarming heresies in modern Christianity.

Then you are completely lacking in understanding as to what doctrinal priorities are.

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

Don't worry. Soon there will be only one. God is going to clean His House. Blood will flow.

1 Peter 4:17
17 For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God;

Well if thats the case, I certainly don't want to be anywhere near someone like John Hagee's "church" when the theological judgement finally arrives in the sky...

A ministry built around prophecy charts, modern geopolitics, a different Temple, denying Christ's fulfillment, another covenant program, and the systematic relocation of Christ’s words thousands of years out of context beyond His stated audience. Not to mention teaching a prophetic sci-fi system that no apostle ever preached, no early Church Father believed, and no Christian born before the nineteenth century had ever even heard of because Darby and Scofield had not yet arrived to manufacture it out of thin air yet.

If you time traveled to a Puritan village in 1640 and started preaching modern dispensationalism to all the Christians; they'd probably brand you a warlock possessed by the dragon and throw you in an asylum in chains. And of course, rightfully so.. As you'd be telling them to their faces that Christ Himself was misled and confused. How He didn't understand when His prophecy was supposed to occur and go on to explain how those ancient verses are really all about themselves, like a cult from hell.

If you then told the Puritans that a majority of Christians in 2026 believed this insanity, they'd immediately call it the veil and the work of the devil.

 

[Taken]

The word of God.

Truth is often called “divisive” by people who prefer peace with error.

Review Gods works from the Beginning to This Day and Forward…
Gods Works… Creating AND Making…
Gods Creations…
Gods Making of “DIVISIONS” His Creations…
Gods “Continual” … Making of His Creations,
* Dividing, Establishing, Accounting …THOSE…with-OUT Him
AND
THOSE…with Him.

Point…
The Creation, IS a done deal.
The Making, IS on going.

Repeatedly…
FIRST is LAST…
LAST is FIRST…

In their own Time, Year, Season, Day, Hour…
In their own God Made Forgiveness.
In their own God Made Justification.
In their own God Made Redemption.
In their own God Made Sanctification.
In their own God Made Deliverance.
In their own God Made Rescue.
In their own God Made Standing Forever Alive With God.
AnD “some”
In their own God Made Promise of Destruction.

Creation is ONE Thing.
The MAKING continues Until the Human Race is Extinct…
AND
The Division between Heaven and Earth…
AND
The Division between They With and Without God…
IS Yoked adjoined…ONE Heaven that Includes Earth..
ONE Faithful People that IS WITH God.

You appear dismayed, for men to Trust, Believe, the Eras, Times, God has Established ARE, Have Passed AND Shall come to Pass.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Well if thats the case, I certainly don't want to be anywhere near someone like John Hagee's "church" when the theological judgement finally arrives...

A ministry built around prophecy charts, modern geopolitics, a different Temple, denying Christ's fulfillment…

Christ Fulfilled Establishing His Church.
Haven’t seen Any evidence of Hagee’ Church teaching otherwise.

A “Different Temple”… YES.

The First AND Second Temples…
WERE Built by Men, dedicated to God.
AND
Had (conduct) flaws.
Historical and Common Knowledge.
Both Temples ARE Destroyed.

IF you Prophetically Trust Scripture…
You would Believe…

2 Thes. 2:
[3] Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
[4] Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
[5] Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
[6] And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.

What TEMPLE, do you think… Satan will (in his time) appear, sit, announce he is God?

Rubbles of a former Temple?
Or Another Temple?

Are you Aware… men of ISRAEL have Express Detailed Blueprints, Design, Stone, Fabrics, Furnishings, in Exact accordance with Gods Temple?

Their Hinderance Delay in moving foward to Build, IS …
Political, Geographical AND AFTER Satan is Revealed (on Earth), with power…
Which IS:
During Gods Tribulations Sent Down from Heaven.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[The Gospel of Christ]

If Darby had done to the TV show Happy Days, what he did to the Holy Bible, it would go something like this:

“No, son; you only think you understand Happy Days. In fact, you are just as lost as the people who originally watched it, and perhaps even more confused than the people who wrote it.

Fonzie was not merely a mechanic and neighborhood celebrity. He was a degenerate who appeared with a different young woman in nearly every episode; a cad, sometimes with two or three women hanging from his arms at once. It is therefore our deeply studied belief that he was secretly a pimp operating a prostitution and narcotics empire from the detached apartment above the Cunninghams’ garage.

Arnold’s was the front. Big Al handled the money. Pinky Tuscadero transported the shipments from Colombia on her motorcycle and distributed them throughout Milwaukee. The roller-skating waitresses sold dime bags to teenagers in burger-joint parking lots, while Howard Cunningham was either criminally oblivious, or the secret financier behind Fonzie’s entire operation.

We are not entirely certain which explanation is correct. But after one more blood moon, another red-heifer prophecy update, three Hail Marys, and confirmation that the Virgin Mary has appeared in a grilled-cheese sandwich, we hope finally to manufacture the truth and then worship what we created as though God revealed it. Afterward, we shall teach our ‘truth’ to everyone we can find.”

Then it’s like

Darby, listen, brother; it doesn’t say anything about a Cunningham drug empire or Fonzie running prostitutes in any of the scripts.

Not one word..

But then comes the most dangerous moment, human invention slithers into a clerical robe, climbs behind a pulpit, calls itself “revelation,” and demands authority over the words that were actually written:

“Brother, that is the mystery we uncovered because we study the program much more deeply than you. The fact that you cannot perceive Fonzie’s true identity and purpose merely proves that you are unenlightened.”

That is exactly how "interpretation" stops serving the text and begins demanding submission to the interpreter.

“Our interpretation is not contradicted by God’s Word. Your inability to find it in the text merely proves that you do not understand God’s Word. The text does not naturally produce our doctrine, so you must first accept our doctrine in order to understand the text.”

 

[ProDeo]

I do think Matt 24 is history, difficulty is how to explain v29-31

Matt 24:29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
Matt 24:30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
Matt 24:31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.