Flat Earth Theory

[ScottA]

Thank you and Good Afternoon from NJ

Please elaborate on your position with "it is written"

Isaiah 42:9​

Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”​

Psalm 97:6​

The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples see His glory.​

Isaiah 55:9​

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.​

But between this earth and these celestial heavens, and the Heavens of God, there is a divide which show a clear distinction between heaven and earth:

Genesis 3:24​

So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.​

Matthew 19:26​

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”​

If I can explain how any of those passages relate (and I am sure there are many more passages), I am happy to do so. But briefly, God has made manifest a worldly example to reveal what would seem impossible [here], but is nonetheless revealed and possible with God...and the heavens declare it.

 

[David in NJ]

Isaiah 42:9​

Behold, the former things have come to pass, And new things I declare; Before they spring forth I tell you of them.”​

Psalm 97:6​

The heavens declare His righteousness, And all the peoples see His glory.​

Isaiah 55:9​

“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, So are My ways higher than your ways, And My thoughts than your thoughts.​

But between this earth and these celestial heavens, and the Heavens of God, there is a divide which show a clear distinction between heaven and earth:

Genesis 3:24​

So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life.​

Matthew 19:26​

But Jesus looked at them and said to them, “With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”​

If I can explain how any of those passages relate (and I am sure there are many more passages), I am happy to do so. But briefly, God has made manifest a worldly example to reveal what would seem impossible [here], but is nonetheless revealed and possible with God...and the heavens declare it.

KEY = "heavens" = as in plural

 

[ScottA]

Never forget Genesis = Our GOD created a Firmament that separates the WATERS from Above us!!!

Thirdly, never place your trust in globalists/satanists/scientists who are controlled by the "god of this world"

Those two sentences contradict each other.

The first is a worldly interpretation based on worldly terms and the elements of this world and universe. The second is then blaming those same terms as being satanic.

 

[ScottA]

KEY = "heavens" = as in plural

So, what are you saying?

 

[ScottA]

@David in NJ

Here are a couple more passages that show the different between worldly terms and the elements of this universe vs. heavenly:

1 Corinthians 2:12​

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we might know the things that have been freely given to us by God.​

1 Corinthians 15:48​

As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust; and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.​

 

[David in NJ]

So, what are you saying?

Let us ask: What is GOD Saying in the Holy Scriptures on this topic of "heavens"

 

[ScottA]

Let us ask: What is GOD Saying in the Holy Scriptures on this topic of "heavens"

We know that God has made man of the same elements as this universe and its heavens, but that we, this universe and it's elements are lower and set apart, even by guarded separation from His higher existence and the Kingdom of Heaven. We also know that what is above and also below, each has its own expanses which He has referred to as spheres, bodies, courts, quarters, and corners, some with walls roundabout. And we know that such things as they are written, often come by metaphor or parable, needing to be rightly divided or handled. Indeed, the Word of God is a mix of both, and therefore must be understood as such, lest we fall into confusion, wrongly confusing a word about the One as being a word about the other, and vice versa.

But what is it that God has determined to reveal, to leave no stone upon another, to make manifest--every hidden thing--that the man of sin is revealed?

I tell you, it is every hidden thing within every man and women of sin, every belief contrary to what is true, even everything imagined. Which is to say, that not unlike life and death, blessing and cursing--everything great and horrible is to be made manifest, some past, some present in our time and continuing unto the end. What then remains of everything that anyone ever believed? What should we expect? We should expect things to be like the days of Noah--not just many eating and drinking and giving in marriage--but things only imagined not unlike dinosaurs, giants, and beasts never before known...and cosmic things, and the imaginations by the measure of increased knowledge. Everything.

 

[Biblica]

Three points arise for me from your post. First, if it were possible to see 500 miles away on the earth's surface with specialised equipment, why can't I see France from my living-room window, which looks out over the English Channel on the south coast of England? France is just over a hundred miles away from me, and plenty large enough to be visible at that distance. Second, where does God's word say that the earth is a flat disc? Third, NASA was only set up in the 1950s. Astronomers taught that the earth is a globe hundreds of years before that.

You would be able to see it with specialized equipment. God's word says the earth is a circle, but the Hebrew word used is not the word that is used to describe a ball.

 

[PeterAndroz]

How far you can see, apart from depending on the weather conditions, depends on how high you are above sea level. For example, here in the UK, from the top of the white cliffs of Dover, one can easily see France if the weather provides good visibility. From the beach at Dover. one is unlikely to see France at all, or at best, only the tops of high buildings on the French coast.

Yes, simple easily testable logic, the higher you are the further you can see.
eg Lay at water level, can you see a boat that is 10 km away ? No
Stand at 10m above water level, can you see the boat then ? Yes
As you watch that boat sail away does it slowly disappear from the bottom first ? Yes
Can FLATTIES explain why ?

 

[David Lamb]

Firstly because of the factual science as was given: horizontal plain viewing distance versus upward.

Secondly, World Record Distance photos have already, FACTUALLY, proved we are not on a globe.

As does WATER from Genesis, that covers the earth and is separated by LAND =
THINK my beautiful Brother in CHRIST
Why is LAND necessary to contain the rivers, lakes and oceans!!!

Never forget Genesis = Our GOD created a Firmament that separates the WATERS from Above us!!!

Thirdly, never place your trust in globalists/satanists/scientists who are controlled by the "god of this world"



HalleluYAH


HalleluYAH x1,000,000,000 to Infinty

I would just stress that I am certainly not putting my trust in globalists/satanists/scientists who are controlled by the "god of this world", but in the word of God which says nothing about the shape of the earth.

As for the record distance photos, I have looked them up, and find that both the photographer and the subject of the photograph were at high elevations above sea-level. An AI overview states:

"The longest recorded ground-to-ground landscape photograph on Earth spans 493 kilometers (306 miles). Captured on December 15, 2024, by photographer Richard Jezik, it shows Mount Shkhara on the Georgia–Russia border as viewed from a subpeak near the Karagöl summit in Turkey."

Further on, it says:

"How They Are Captured

• • High Altitude: Both the camera and the target need high elevation to beat the curve of the Earth.
  • Atmospheric Refraction: Cold, clear air bends light slightly over the horizon, allowing distant peaks to peek into view.
  • Special Lenses: Photographers use heavy telephoto lenses mounted on stable tripods with precise planning tools like atmospheric visibility calculators. [1, 2]"

 

[David Lamb]

You would be able to see it with specialized equipment. God's word says the earth is a circle, but the Hebrew word used is not the word that is used to describe a ball.

God's word does not say that the earth is a circle. I imagine you are thinking of this verse:

NKJV Isa 40:22 It is He who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in.

But that verses doesn't say, " It is He who sits above the earth, and the earth is a circle." "The circle of the earth" no more means that the earth is a circle than "the wheels of the bus" means that the bus is wheels. Or take a biblical example:

NKJV Psa 102:6 I am like a pelican of the wilderness; I am like an owl of the desert.

Is the wilderness a pelican? Is the desert an owl? Of course not.

Going back to Isaiah 40:22, I understand that the word translated "circle" there can also mean "circuit" or "compass":

KJV Job 22:14 Thick clouds are a covering to him, that he seeth not; and he walketh in the circuit of heaven.

KJV Pro 8:27 When he prepared the heavens, I was there: when he set a compass upon the face of the depth:

But of course I might be wrong, and you might have some verse other than Isaiah 40:22 in mind.

 

[David in NJ]

I would just stress that I am certainly not putting my trust in globalists/satanists/scientists who are controlled by the "god of this world",

Yet you trust AI

but in the word of God which says nothing about the shape of the earth.

HE certainly has

But keep trusting AI

 

[David Lamb]

Yet you trust AI


HE certainly has

But keep trusting AI

I do not "trust AI" in the way that I trust the inspired word of God. If somebody was able to show me that the quote I gave from AI was wrong, and give evidence that it was wrong, I would have to believe them. Can anybody prove that God's word is wrong?

 

[David in NJ]

I do not "trust AI" in the way that I trust the inspired word of God. If somebody was able to show me that the quote I gave from AI was wrong, and give evidence that it was wrong, I would have to believe them. Can anybody prove that God's word is wrong?

The evidence has been presented to you.

Now it's down to you.

 

[David Lamb]

The evidence has been presented to you.

Now it's down to you.

I quoted one AI overview to provide information about how long distance photos were taken. I would have quoted the Bible if it had said anything about how such photographs were taken. Obviously, whatever anyone says about long=distance photographs, whether it is you saying that they exist and prove that the earth is flat, or me saying that photos can only be taken over such long distances if certain conditions are fulfilled, we cannot be basing what we say on the Bible, which doesn't mention photography.

If you are saying that what I quoted from the AI overview is incorrect, then you need to provide some evidence to back it up.

 

[David in NJ]

If you are saying that what I quoted from the AI overview is incorrect, then you need to provide some evidence to back it up.

And there lie the BIG PROBLEM = "I quoted from AI..."

 

[David Lamb]

And there lie the BIG PROBLEM = "I quoted from AI..."

I have agreed with you that AI is not Scripture. So tell me, what is the specific problem with saying that the photographer had to be very high up to take such long-distance shots? Are you trying to say that it is possible for a photographer at sea level to take photos of things hundreds of miles away?

 

[David in NJ]

I have agreed with you that AI is not Scripture. So tell me, what is the specific problem with saying that the photographer had to be very high up to take such long-distance shots? Are you trying to say that it is possible for a photographer at sea level to take photos of things hundreds of miles away?

#1 - Elevation enables greater visibility as you can rise above smog/particles in the air.
This is the SAME factual principle as in WATER .
We live in a Lake Community. The water is murky - in the summer, you can only see max depth of 1 foot down.
Springtime, right after ice melt, the water is much clearer and you can see down to 5 feet.

#2 - AI is contolled by the Controllers, who are the globalists.

#3 - Who are you going to believe???
a.) Actual proven photograph of mountains that should be MILES below the Disneyland curvature of earth.
Or the globalists mind control in worldwide education system = which you and i were Edu-Mancated under.

b.) there actually are three world record long distance photos taken = at different times by different groups.
the first one was around 300 miles,
second one around 400 miles,
third one was close to 500 or maybe greater

c.) Ships that go over the curve on the horizon = 100% LIE
How do we know it is 100% LIE = Because with the today's optics we can SEE those ships that supposedly are out of view because they dipped down below the curve(lol)!!!

Oh, we been duped for a long time and my how christians 'dropped the ball'(lol) and have succumbed to the lies from the globalists.

In fact, we should 'drop the ball' = the Big LIE of the globalists.

 

[David Lamb]

#1 - Elevation enables greater visibility as you can rise above smog/particles in the air.
This is the SAME factual principle as in WATER .
We live in a Lake Community. The water is murky - in the summer, you can only see max depth of 1 foot down.
Springtime, right after ice melt, the water is much clearer and you can see down to 5 feet.

#2 - AI is contolled by the Controllers, who are the globalists.

#3 - Who are you going to believe???
a.) Actual proven photograph of mountains that should be MILES below the Disneyland curvature of earth.
Or the globalists mind control in worldwide education system = which you and i were Edu-Mancated under.

b.) there actually are three world record long distance photos taken = at different times by different groups.
the first one was around 300 miles,
second one around 400 miles,
third one was close to 500 or maybe greater

c.) Ships that go over the curve on the horizon = 100% LIE
How do we know it is 100% LIE = Because with the today's optics we can SEE those ships that supposedly are out of view because they dipped down below the curve(lol)!!!

Oh, we been duped for a long time and my how christians 'dropped the ball'(lol) and have succumbed to the lies from the globalists.

In fact, we should 'drop the ball' = the Big LIE of the globalists.

Tell me this, then, why does the sun rise and set? If the earth is flat, why does the sun gradually disappear over the horizon at sunset, so that halfway through a sunset, we see only half of the sun? Why does it not appear just to get smaller and smaller, the further it is from the observer? And ships do disappear gradually over the horizon - I can watch them doing so from my window. Because I was in a similar discussion on another forum with somebody who believed the earth is flat I even tried looking with my binoculars to see if I could bring a ship that had just disappeared over the horizon back into view. I couldn't. I imagine naval warfare would have been rather different if all that was needed to see an enemy ship which was beyond the horizon was a decent pair of binoculars!

 

[David in NJ]

Tell me this, then, why does the sun rise and set? If the earth is flat, why does the sun gradually disappear over the horizon at sunset, so that halfway through a sunset, we see only half of the sun? Why does it not appear just to get smaller and smaller, the further it is from the observer? And ships do disappear gradually over the horizon - I can watch them doing so from my window. Because I was in a similar discussion on another forum with somebody who believed the earth is flat I even tried looking with my binoculars to see if I could bring a ship that had just disappeared over the horizon back into view. I couldn't. I imagine naval warfare would have been rather different if all that was needed to see an enemy ship which was beyond the horizon was a decent pair of binoculars!

How does Truth come to us from Above?

How did God establish Truth?
Thru intellectual understanding of the sun moon and stars???

“Take careful heed to yourselves, for you saw no form when the Lord spoke to you at Horeb out of the midst of the fire, 16lest you act corruptly and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of any figure: the likeness of male or female, 17the likeness of any animal that is on the earth or the likeness of any winged bird that flies in the air, 18the likeness of anything that creeps on the ground or the likeness of any fish that is in the water beneath the earth. 19And take heed, lest you lift your eyes to heaven, and when you see the sun, the moon, and the stars, all the host of heaven, you feel driven to worship them and serve them, which the Lord your God has given to all the peoples under the whole heaven as a heritage. 20But the Lord has taken you and brought you out of the iron furnace, out of Egypt, to be His people, an inheritance, as you are this day. 21Furthermore the Lord was angry with me for your sakes, and swore that I would not cross over the Jordan, and that I would not enter the good land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance. 22But I must die in this land, I must not cross over the Jordan; but you shall cross over and possess that good land. 23Take heed to yourselves, lest you forget the covenant of the Lord your God which He made with you, and make for yourselves a carved image in the form of anything which the Lord your God has forbidden you. 24For the Lord your God is a consuming fire, a jealous God.