The First Resurrection

[rebuilder 454]

At the end of the world when Christ returns this happens, the wicked are gathered and taken away, where? to destruction.
While the people of God inherit the earth as the kingdom of God. They remain, the wicked are removed.

Matthew 13
34 All these things spoke Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spoke He not unto them,

35 that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, “I will open My mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.”

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away and went into the house, and His disciples came unto Him, saying, “Explain unto us the parable of the tares of the field.”

37 He answered and said unto them, “He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man.

38 The field is the world, the good seed are the children of the Kingdom, but the tares are the children of the wicked one.

39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil, the harvest is the end of the world, and the reapers are the angels.

40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire, so shall it be at the end of this world.

41 The Son of Man shall send forth His angels, and they shall gather out of His Kingdom all things that offend and them that do iniquity,

42 and shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the Kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Lol
The wicked gathered there ARE BURNED IN THE LOF.
JESUS EVEN SAYS "AT THE END OF THE WORLD".

PSSSST...THAT IS AFTER THE MIL.

WOW...REALLY??????

 

[rebuilder 454]

YOU are the one who claimed you already posted Bible Scripture to prove a Pre-trib Rapture. I haven't seen you do that, where is it? Thus the burden of proof is upon YOU, not me.

I already know... there are NO Bible Scriptures that support a pre-trib rapture.

Go play Jr.
I totally destroyed your deal....USING SCRIPTURE
Now all you can do is lie and say I had no passages.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That's a stupid idea I've seen some on man's false pre-trib rapture theory try to push.

No, there is no rapture by Jesus prior to the trib, and then another one by His angels after the trib. That's just another FALSEHOOD idea developed by the devil's children who came up with the pre-trib rapture theory.

So now you lie and say he does not SEND ANGELS???? (Which is SHOWING HE STAYS.)
Show me how you send a person to the store and you DO NOT stay.

I HAVE TAKEN APART EVERY false point your workbook declares.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Lol
You have been thoughougly routed and exposed.
You lost any hope of authority.
Now you try to curse the body of Christ in embarrassment and anger.
It usually happens much quicker when I embarrass postribbers.
My job is to Make you go against the bible.
I did my job.
Now you are embarrassed and mad.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Yep.
No verses.
Postribber inevitable "mad and embarrassed mode".

Study.study study
Jettison the workbook.
Like what always happens....those false teachers you follow will embarrass you badly.

You don't even know the difference between the rapture and the gathering to the LOF.

 

[rebuilder 454]

That in quotation marks is made up, it is NOWHERE WRITTEN IN GOD'S WORD. That's a very dangerous evil that you've done against God and His Word there.




I certainly have NOT seen you post any Bible Scriptures supporting a Pre-trib Rapture, so there's another lie you are telling.

Can those in Christ thus rightly assume that the Pre-trib Rapture preachers teach their congregations to LIE about a pre-trib rapture, no matter what? Yes, I definitely think so.

Luke 21:36
Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

You were saying???
(Err, uh, lying again)
Show me how Jesus is wrong.
Tell us how your workbook interprets that no brainer.

 

[rebuilder 454]

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Nope.
You failed and threw out verses without connecting the dots.
Reckless postrib jumble.
When do we get to see a postrib rapture verse?????

 

[rebuilder 454]

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"Sending angels"?????
That is from the devil????
Show you how "sending" is not "going", is from satan?

Wow are you ever way off.
Whew.
Desperado.
Flat out delusion.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Here is your chance.
Post for me an ACTUAL POSTRIB RAPTURE VERSE.

BUT IF YOU EVER FIND ONE.....
UNPACK IT, ALONGSIDE, THE 8 PRETRIB RAPTURE VERSES.

Then let's see if the Bible is correct in the teaching of Jesus, in illustrating a pretrib rapture

 

[rebuilder 454]

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I feel sorry for you.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Bible error take a person to a very dry and Barren place.

 

[WPM]

Of course you will.
You will be left behind,EXACTLY as Jesus said you would be, after the pretrib rapture.

You guys are the trib saints.
All martyred for not receiving the mark, ( or take it to save your hide), exactly as is taught in God word.

Not a single postribber even knew about the command to "pray to be worthy for the pretrib rapture."
We showed you guys the escape verses.
2 of them...BY JESUS. ( no postribber ever goes there)
No loyal postrib theorist, can honestly pray Jesus commanded prayer.
Your FAITH IS IN STAYING.
AND YOU WILL FOR SURE.

Revelation was written by a man in tribulation to people who were in tribulation.

 

[WPM]

Bible error take a person to a very dry and Barren place.

So, why do you go there?

 

[Scott Downey]

Lol
The wicked gathered there ARE BURNED IN THE LOF.
JESUS EVEN SAYS "AT THE END OF THE WORLD".

PSSSST...THAT IS AFTER THE MIL.

WOW...REALLY??????

When Jesus returns it is the 'end of this world'
Read in context, whole chapter, anyone can see that

Bible Gateway passage: 2 Peter 3 - 21st Century King James Version

This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance, that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior, knowing this first...

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This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance,

2 that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

5 For of this they are willfully ignorant: that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water,

6 whereby the world as it then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

7 But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing: that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

10 But the Day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat. The earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy manner of living and godliness,

12 looking for and hastening unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens, being on fire, shall be dissolved and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Therefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found by Him in peace, without spot and blameless.

15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation, even as our beloved brother Paul also, according to the wisdom given unto him, hath written unto you,

16 as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things. Therein are some things hard to understand, which those who are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other Scriptures, unto their own destruction.

17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing that ye know these things beforehand, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own steadfastness.

18 But grow in grace and in the knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To Him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

 

[Scott Downey]

This is the return of Christ, the second coming, when He comes again!
Not a third return which scripture has no mention of.

2 Peter 3
This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you, in both of which I stir up your purity of mind by way of remembrance,

2 that ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken beforehand by the holy prophets and of the commandment of us, the apostles of the Lord and Savior,

3 knowing this first: that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts

4 and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.”

5 For of this they are willfully ignorant: that by the Word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water,

6 whereby the world as it then was, being overflowed with water, perished.

7 But the heavens and the earth which now are, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

 

[Scott Downey]

When Jesus returns it is the LAST DAY of this world-age, and then is the resurrection of the dead

LAST DAY means no more days where is the sun moon stars, which in Genesis where for times and seasons to give light upon the earth.
The Lamb will shine as the light

1. John 6:39
   And this is the Father’s will who hath sent Me, that of all which He hath given Me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the Last Day.
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2. John 6:40
   And this is the will of Him that sent Me: that every one who seeth the Son and believeth in Him may have everlasting life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.”
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
3. John 6:44
   No man can come to Me unless the Father who hath sent Me draw him; and I will raise him up at the Last Day.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
4. John 6:54
   Whoso eateth My flesh and drinketh My blood hath eternal life, and I will raise him up at the Last Day.
   In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

 

[Scott Downey]

Mark 13 on the return of Christ, and our being gathered to Him.

Christ returns after the great tribulation over the whole earth, and then 'raptures His people'

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And as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said unto Him, “Master, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!”

2 And Jesus answering, said unto him, “Seest thou these great buildings? There shall not be left one stone upon another that shall not be thrown down.”

3 And as He sat on the Mount of Olives opposite the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked Him privately,

4 “Tell us, when shall these things be? And what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?”

5 And Jesus answering them, began to say, “Take heed lest any man deceive you.

6 For many shall come in My name, saying, ‘I am Christ!’ and shall deceive many.

7 And when ye shall hear of wars and rumors of wars, be ye not troubled, for such things must come to pass; but the end shall not be yet.

8 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom; and there shall be earthquakes in divers places, and there shall be famines and troubles. These are the beginnings of sorrows.

9 “But take heed for yourselves, for they shall deliver you up to councils, and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten. And ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, for a testimony against them.

10 And the Gospel must first be proclaimed among all nations.

11 But when then shall lead you and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak; neither need ye premeditate. But whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye; for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

12 Now the brother shall betray the brother to death, and the father the son; and children shall rise up against their parents and shall cause them to be put to death.

13 And ye shall be hated by all men for My name’s sake; but he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

14 “But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not be” (let him that readeth understand), “then let them that be in Judea flee to the mountains.

15 And let him that is on the housetop not go down into the house, neither enter therein to take any thing out of his house.

16 And let him that is in the field not turn back again to take up his garment.

17 But woe to them that are with child and to them that give suck in those days!

18 And pray ye that your flight be not in the winter.

19 For in those days shall be affliction such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created until this time, neither shall be.

20 And except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom He hath chosen, He hath shortened the days.

21 And then if any man shall say to you, ‘Lo, here is Christ!’ or, ‘Lo, He is there!’ believe him not;

22 for false christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall show signs and wonders to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.

23 But take ye heed; behold, I have foretold you all things.

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, ‘the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,

25 and the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.’

26 And then shall they see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.

27 And then shall He send His angels and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

28 “Now learn a parable of the fig tree: When her branch is yet tender and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is near.

29 So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.

30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass till all these things be done.

31 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man — no, not the angels who are in Heaven, neither the Son, but only the Father.

33 “Take ye heed, watch and pray; for ye know not when the time is.

34 For the Son of Man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch.

35 Watch ye therefore, for ye know not when the Master of the house cometh — at evening, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning —

36 lest coming suddenly, He find you sleeping.

37 And what I say unto you, I say unto all: Watch!”

 

[Angelina]

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[Spiritual Israelite]

Revelation was written by a man in tribulation to people who were in tribulation.

This is why pre-trib is a terrible doctrine. It encourages people to fear the things that many Christians have been through over the past almost 2,000 years while wanting to avoid going through any kind of tribulation. So, what will they do when they do experience tribulation? Will they denounce their faith because they think they aren't supposed to experience any tribulation?

 

[WPM]

In the rapture Jesus gathers.
But AFTER THE TRIB, HE SENDS ANGELS TO GATHER.
Ahem...."SEND", MEANS, HE STAYS, AND OTHERS DO THE GATHERING.

UH...YOU LEFT THAT OUT.

You simply have some disregard for God word.

The extra-biblical statements get more and more and the avoided questions get larger and larger.

• Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
• Is Revelation 19 your 3rd rapture?
• Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?
• Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"?
• Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
• Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
• Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
• Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
• Show us any Scripture that teaches there are "two" future "raptures"?
• Where in the Bible does it teach that "the fig tree having two harvests are referring to two raptures”?
• Where in the Scriptures does it teach that “the two folds of sheep are referring to two raptures”?
• Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?
• Show us any Scripture that teaches "the Church is removed before the great tribulation, which is the time of testing"?
• Show us any Scripture that teaches there is a "one-year wrath of God"?

Take them one at a time - if you can! Start with Number 1. Is that such a hard ask?