The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[stevesonthebay]

We can be sure that what God has said will come to pass per His written Word, that's how it will be. Even though today we don't see a 3rd Jewish temple standing in Jerusalem for the end of this world, God's Word has ordained it, and it's just a matter of time.

Yes I was thinking about this and how it could happen. I think perhaps as part of the peace deal. Trump will slip it in the negociations I reckon. It is something most people have thought was a strange relation that the Jews cannot even have access to their own Temple mount.

Thats why I think its a time where what we thought was impossible now being possible. Like the entire world order is being flipped on its head. So in some ways it is sort of not a surprise. If the world is truely about what is right then the Jews should have more access to their Temple mount and build their temple. The Muslims can keep the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Isrealis can have a space to build a Temple on the other side and they both have access to the dome of the Rock.

Same thing with the coming of a 'singular' false-Messiah playing God in that future 3rd temple working the great signs and wonders to deceive the world into believing he is God. That will not suggest a fake world peace for the majority by that false-Messiah, except to those of Christ's elect who will know better. Instead, even many brethren will fall into the trap of believing he is Christ having come, when Jesus said to not believe it.

Yes Christ peace surpasses all understanding. I wonder how that will be. Whether that false messiah is the re-establishment of the Jewish priesthood with the Kohen Gadol and Levites and all that. Or some modern version. That would certainly throw another entity into the culture war. One that the world would hate. I don't think they would want Isreal to allow its religion so much success.

Perhaps under the human rights. Or religious rights. If anti christ world bodies like the UN were fair the Jews would have had their temple years ago.

 

[The Light]

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Why do you think the KJV translators put that "Wicked" in capitals? It's like they pretty well knew just who Apostle Paul meant with that label, but didn't want to shock the Church that read that. Well, it is now time. That "Wicked" is about the devil himself. That is who Paul pointed to with Michael withholding the devil in the heavenly until it is time for Michael to "stand up" by that Rev.12:7 war in Heaven (see also Daniel 12:1).

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

@Davy, So you claim that Wicked is about the devil himself.

Now let's prove how your claim is impossible.

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

We see that Wicked destroyed with the brightness of His coming. That means you are claiming that Satan is destroyed when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of wrath.

However, the Word of God says that Satan, who is the devil is cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Revelation 20
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

You claim that Satan is destroyed with the brightness of His coming. However, the Word of God says that Satan is bound 1000 years. The Word of God also says that Satan is cast into the lake of fire and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You are incorrect Davy as proven by the Word of God. That Wicked is not Satan.

You are also incorrect regarding the rapture of the Church before the great tribulation. In your ignorance you are leading people astray.

 

[The Light]

Are you done Davy? Or do I need to disprove more of what you have written?

 

[Davy]

Yes Christ peace surpasses all understanding. I wonder how that will be. Whether that false messiah is the re-establishment of the Jewish priesthood with the Kohen Gadol and Levites and all that. Or some modern version. That would certainly throw another entity into the culture war. One that the world would hate. I don't think they would want Isreal to allow its religion so much success.

Perhaps under the human rights. Or religious rights. If anti christ world bodies like the UN were fair the Jews would have had their temple years ago.

Once again, it will happen according to God's written Word. So as for the identity of the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to sit in the 3rd temple to be built, just what are the Scripture qualifications for one to be The Messiah; ask yourself that. Some of the old Church fathers actually understood this, that it means the Antichrist will actually play Lord Jesus, be from the tribe of Judah, etc. But he won't really be from Judah, but it will be supposed that he is born of Judah of the house of David, because of the king maker Jews in Jerusalem that will set him up as king (actually hinted at in Daniel 11:23.

The majority of the world will see him actually as... God in Jerusalem. And for Christian brethren that will be deceived, that means our Lord Jesus Christ. And this point is exactly the warning Lord Jesus gave in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, twice.

Look at this carefully...

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Is there an English grammar tense problem in the above verses? Do you see it?

Dr. James Strong saw it, and that's why in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance he defined Greek pseudocristos put for "false Christs" as singular, 'a spurious Messiah.' (See Strong's no.5580). Note how the 23rd and 26th verses above are in the singular tense about 'a' singular false Christ.

That is actually where Apostle John got the idea (from Lord Jesus) that the brethren in his era had already heard that "antichrist" (singular) shall come, but that there were already "many antichrists" already at work (1 John 2:18).

Therefore, Satan's host try to attack this and claim there is no such thing as a 'singular' Antichrist person.

 

[Davy]

@Davy, So you claim that Wicked is about the devil himself.

Now let's prove how your claim is impossible.

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

We see that Wicked destroyed with the brightness of His coming. That means you are claiming that Satan is destroyed when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of wrath.

His ROLE will be destroyed, in the sense of his playing the 'role' of The MESSIAH in Jerusalem. That is what will be destroyed by the brightness of Lord Jesus' coming.

NO SOULS ARE DESTROYED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE UNTIL AFTER... CHRIST'S FUTURE "THOUSAND YEARS" REIGN, which I believe you have even said so yourself. That applies to anyone who plays the false-Messiah in Jerusalem at the end, even if one does not see it will be Satan himself.

And per the destruction of the "false prophet" and "beast" at Christ's coming written in Revelation 19:20, the "false prophet" and "beast" are ROLES that Satan ("dragon") will play. Those ROLES are destroyed at Christ's coming but the "dragon" is not. That "beast" idea points to both the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 and to the ROLE of beast king that Satan will play.

 

[covenantee]

Once again, it will happen according to God's written Word. So as for the identity of the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to sit in the 3rd temple to be built, just what are the Scripture qualifications for one to be The Messiah; ask yourself that. Some of the old Church fathers actually understood this, that it means the Antichrist will actually play Lord Jesus, be from the tribe of Judah, etc. But he won't really be from Judah, but it will be supposed that he is born of Judah of the house of David, because of the king maker Jews in Jerusalem that will set him up as king (actually hinted at in Daniel 11:23.

The majority of the world will see him actually as... God in Jerusalem. And for Christian brethren that will be deceived, that means our Lord Jesus Christ. And this point is exactly the warning Lord Jesus gave in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, twice.

Look at this carefully...

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Is there an English grammar tense problem in the above verses? Do you see it?

Dr. James Strong saw it, and that's why in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance he defined Greek pseudocristos put for "false Christs" as singular, 'a spurious Messiah.' (See Strong's no.5580). Note how the 23rd and 26th verses above are in the singular tense about 'a' singular false Christ.

That is actually where Apostle John got the idea (from Lord Jesus) that the brethren in his era had already heard that "antichrist" (singular) shall come, but that there were already "many antichrists" already at work (1 John 2:18).

Therefore, Satan's host try to attack this and claim there is no such thing as a 'singular' Antichrist person.

Debunked by verse 24.

And the grammatical category of "singular" or "plural" is "number", not "tense".

 

[Davy]

Debunked by verse 24.

And the grammatical category of "singular" or "plural" is "number", not "tense".

Thank you for showing us that you do not understand English grammar, because unlike you say, the tense does have to do whether an object is singular or plural.

And in the case of Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26, the tense is 'singular', about a specific false-Christ person, not many.

 

[covenantee]

Thank you for showing us that you do not understand English grammar, because unlike you say, the tense does have to do whether an object is singular or plural.

And in the case of Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26, the tense is 'singular', about a specific false-Christ person, not many.

Thanks for your confirmation that you flunked kindergarten English.

Tense is a grammatical concept that indicates the time of action or event.

 

[Davy]

Thanks for your confirmation that you flunked kindergarten English.

Tense is a grammatical concept that indicates the time of action or event.

Those you follow are not going to be able to hide the fact that Christ's elect will give a Testimony against the beast (king, the Antichrist) when he shows up in Jerusalem playing God.

Brethren in Christ:
Some of Satan's servants come here to forums like this to spread lies against the written Bible Scripture in hopes that you will be led astray from what is getting ready to come upon this world at the end, which is for this present final generation.

The false-Messiah, a.k.a. pseudochristos, a.k.a. the Antichrist; a.k.a. "man of sin"; a.k.a the "another beast"; a.k.a. the "little horn"; a.k.a. the "vile person"; a.k.a. the "king of fierce countenance"; a.k.a. "that Wicked"; a.k.a. "son of perdition"; a.k.a. "that old serpent"; a.k.a. "Lucifer"; a.k.a. "Satan"; a.k.a. the "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit"; is coming to OUR World to play The Christ-Messiah.

 

[Davy]

Now then brethren in Christ, just how many... false Christs is Lord Jesus pointing to in the following KJV verses?

Matt 24:23
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
KJV

Matt 24:26
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

It is obvious per English Grammar that those above verses are about a SINGULAR false Christ that Jesus was warning us about, not many.

Why then do some here reject that?


In 2 Thessalonians 2 with the "man of sin", "son of perdition", "that Wicked", how many false one's was Apostle Paul pointing to according that English Grammar there?

Likewise in Revelation 13:11-14, with the "another beast" who appears with two horns LIKE a Lamb, but speaks as a "dragon", and performs miracles to fool the whole world, how many was Apostle John pointing to there?

Why would anyone who speaks English reject those Scriptures pointing to the coming of a SINGULAR false one?

Regardless of who one may think that coming false Christ will be, the English Grammar is still set in those verses about a SINGULAR false one coming as The Christ. So who would want us to point away from the clarity of Lord Jesus' and His Apostle's own words in the above Scripture?