The Coming FALSE MESSIAH

[stevesonthebay]

We can be sure that what God has said will come to pass per His written Word, that's how it will be. Even though today we don't see a 3rd Jewish temple standing in Jerusalem for the end of this world, God's Word has ordained it, and it's just a matter of time.

Yes I was thinking about this and how it could happen. I think perhaps as part of the peace deal. Trump will slip it in the negociations I reckon. It is something most people have thought was a strange relation that the Jews cannot even have access to their own Temple mount.

Thats why I think its a time where what we thought was impossible now being possible. Like the entire world order is being flipped on its head. So in some ways it is sort of not a surprise. If the world is truely about what is right then the Jews should have more access to their Temple mount and build their temple. The Muslims can keep the Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Isrealis can have a space to build a Temple on the other side and they both have access to the dome of the Rock.

Same thing with the coming of a 'singular' false-Messiah playing God in that future 3rd temple working the great signs and wonders to deceive the world into believing he is God. That will not suggest a fake world peace for the majority by that false-Messiah, except to those of Christ's elect who will know better. Instead, even many brethren will fall into the trap of believing he is Christ having come, when Jesus said to not believe it.

Yes Christ peace surpasses all understanding. I wonder how that will be. Whether that false messiah is the re-establishment of the Jewish priesthood with the Kohen Gadol and Levites and all that. Or some modern version. That would certainly throw another entity into the culture war. One that the world would hate. I don't think they would want Isreal to allow its religion so much success.

Perhaps under the human rights. Or religious rights. If anti christ world bodies like the UN were fair the Jews would have had their temple years ago.

 

[The Light]

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Why do you think the KJV translators put that "Wicked" in capitals? It's like they pretty well knew just who Apostle Paul meant with that label, but didn't want to shock the Church that read that. Well, it is now time. That "Wicked" is about the devil himself. That is who Paul pointed to with Michael withholding the devil in the heavenly until it is time for Michael to "stand up" by that Rev.12:7 war in Heaven (see also Daniel 12:1).

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

@Davy, So you claim that Wicked is about the devil himself.

Now let's prove how your claim is impossible.

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

We see that Wicked destroyed with the brightness of His coming. That means you are claiming that Satan is destroyed when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of wrath.

However, the Word of God says that Satan, who is the devil is cast into the bottomless pit for 1000 years.

Revelation 20
And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

You claim that Satan is destroyed with the brightness of His coming. However, the Word of God says that Satan is bound 1000 years. The Word of God also says that Satan is cast into the lake of fire and shall be tormented day and night forever and ever.

Revelation 20
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

You are incorrect Davy as proven by the Word of God. That Wicked is not Satan.

You are also incorrect regarding the rapture of the Church before the great tribulation. In your ignorance you are leading people astray.

 

[The Light]

Are you done Davy? Or do I need to disprove more of what you have written?

 

[Davy]

Yes Christ peace surpasses all understanding. I wonder how that will be. Whether that false messiah is the re-establishment of the Jewish priesthood with the Kohen Gadol and Levites and all that. Or some modern version. That would certainly throw another entity into the culture war. One that the world would hate. I don't think they would want Isreal to allow its religion so much success.

Perhaps under the human rights. Or religious rights. If anti christ world bodies like the UN were fair the Jews would have had their temple years ago.

Once again, it will happen according to God's written Word. So as for the identity of the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to sit in the 3rd temple to be built, just what are the Scripture qualifications for one to be The Messiah; ask yourself that. Some of the old Church fathers actually understood this, that it means the Antichrist will actually play Lord Jesus, be from the tribe of Judah, etc. But he won't really be from Judah, but it will be supposed that he is born of Judah of the house of David, because of the king maker Jews in Jerusalem that will set him up as king (actually hinted at in Daniel 11:23.

The majority of the world will see him actually as... God in Jerusalem. And for Christian brethren that will be deceived, that means our Lord Jesus Christ. And this point is exactly the warning Lord Jesus gave in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, twice.

Look at this carefully...

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Is there an English grammar tense problem in the above verses? Do you see it?

Dr. James Strong saw it, and that's why in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance he defined Greek pseudocristos put for "false Christs" as singular, 'a spurious Messiah.' (See Strong's no.5580). Note how the 23rd and 26th verses above are in the singular tense about 'a' singular false Christ.

That is actually where Apostle John got the idea (from Lord Jesus) that the brethren in his era had already heard that "antichrist" (singular) shall come, but that there were already "many antichrists" already at work (1 John 2:18).

Therefore, Satan's host try to attack this and claim there is no such thing as a 'singular' Antichrist person.

 

[Davy]

@Davy, So you claim that Wicked is about the devil himself.

Now let's prove how your claim is impossible.

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

We see that Wicked destroyed with the brightness of His coming. That means you are claiming that Satan is destroyed when Jesus returns with the armies of heaven at the end of wrath.

His ROLE will be destroyed, in the sense of his playing the 'role' of The MESSIAH in Jerusalem. That is what will be destroyed by the brightness of Lord Jesus' coming.

NO SOULS ARE DESTROYED IN THE LAKE OF FIRE UNTIL AFTER... CHRIST'S FUTURE "THOUSAND YEARS" REIGN, which I believe you have even said so yourself. That applies to anyone who plays the false-Messiah in Jerusalem at the end, even if one does not see it will be Satan himself.

And per the destruction of the "false prophet" and "beast" at Christ's coming written in Revelation 19:20, the "false prophet" and "beast" are ROLES that Satan ("dragon") will play. Those ROLES are destroyed at Christ's coming but the "dragon" is not. That "beast" idea points to both the beast kingdom of Rev.13:1 and to the ROLE of beast king that Satan will play.

 

[covenantee]

Once again, it will happen according to God's written Word. So as for the identity of the coming Antichrist to Jerusalem to sit in the 3rd temple to be built, just what are the Scripture qualifications for one to be The Messiah; ask yourself that. Some of the old Church fathers actually understood this, that it means the Antichrist will actually play Lord Jesus, be from the tribe of Judah, etc. But he won't really be from Judah, but it will be supposed that he is born of Judah of the house of David, because of the king maker Jews in Jerusalem that will set him up as king (actually hinted at in Daniel 11:23.

The majority of the world will see him actually as... God in Jerusalem. And for Christian brethren that will be deceived, that means our Lord Jesus Christ. And this point is exactly the warning Lord Jesus gave in the Matthew 24:23-26 Scripture, twice.

Look at this carefully...

Matt 24:23-26
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

Is there an English grammar tense problem in the above verses? Do you see it?

Dr. James Strong saw it, and that's why in his Strong's Exhaustive Concordance he defined Greek pseudocristos put for "false Christs" as singular, 'a spurious Messiah.' (See Strong's no.5580). Note how the 23rd and 26th verses above are in the singular tense about 'a' singular false Christ.

That is actually where Apostle John got the idea (from Lord Jesus) that the brethren in his era had already heard that "antichrist" (singular) shall come, but that there were already "many antichrists" already at work (1 John 2:18).

Therefore, Satan's host try to attack this and claim there is no such thing as a 'singular' Antichrist person.

Debunked by verse 24.

And the grammatical category of "singular" or "plural" is "number", not "tense".

 

[Davy]

Debunked by verse 24.

And the grammatical category of "singular" or "plural" is "number", not "tense".

Thank you for showing us that you do not understand English grammar, because unlike you say, the tense does have to do whether an object is singular or plural.

And in the case of Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26, the tense is 'singular', about a specific false-Christ person, not many.

 

[covenantee]

Thank you for showing us that you do not understand English grammar, because unlike you say, the tense does have to do whether an object is singular or plural.

And in the case of Matthew 24:23 and Matthew 24:26, the tense is 'singular', about a specific false-Christ person, not many.

Thanks for your confirmation that you flunked kindergarten English.

Tense is a grammatical concept that indicates the time of action or event.

 

[Davy]

Thanks for your confirmation that you flunked kindergarten English.

Tense is a grammatical concept that indicates the time of action or event.

Those you follow are not going to be able to hide the fact that Christ's elect will give a Testimony against the beast (king, the Antichrist) when he shows up in Jerusalem playing God.

Brethren in Christ:
Some of Satan's servants come here to forums like this to spread lies against the written Bible Scripture in hopes that you will be led astray from what is getting ready to come upon this world at the end, which is for this present final generation.

The false-Messiah, a.k.a. pseudochristos, a.k.a. the Antichrist; a.k.a. "man of sin"; a.k.a the "another beast"; a.k.a. the "little horn"; a.k.a. the "vile person"; a.k.a. the "king of fierce countenance"; a.k.a. "that Wicked"; a.k.a. "son of perdition"; a.k.a. "that old serpent"; a.k.a. "Lucifer"; a.k.a. "Satan"; a.k.a. the "beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit"; is coming to OUR World to play The Christ-Messiah.

 

[Davy]

Now then brethren in Christ, just how many... false Christs is Lord Jesus pointing to in the following KJV verses?

Matt 24:23
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, "Lo, here is Christ, or there"; believe it not.
KJV

Matt 24:26
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, "Behold, He is in the desert"; go not forth: "behold, He is in the secret chambers"; believe it not.
KJV

It is obvious per English Grammar that those above verses are about a SINGULAR false Christ that Jesus was warning us about, not many.

Why then do some here reject that?


In 2 Thessalonians 2 with the "man of sin", "son of perdition", "that Wicked", how many false one's was Apostle Paul pointing to according that English Grammar there?

Likewise in Revelation 13:11-14, with the "another beast" who appears with two horns LIKE a Lamb, but speaks as a "dragon", and performs miracles to fool the whole world, how many was Apostle John pointing to there?

Why would anyone who speaks English reject those Scriptures pointing to the coming of a SINGULAR false one?

Regardless of who one may think that coming false Christ will be, the English Grammar is still set in those verses about a SINGULAR false one coming as The Christ. So who would want us to point away from the clarity of Lord Jesus' and His Apostle's own words in the above Scripture?

 

[Earburner]

PART 3
Is this warning about the coming of a specific SUPERNATURAL "antichrist" for the end of this world, and his "many antichrists" workers covered in other Bible Scripture witness? Yes, by Apostle Paul:

2 Thess 2:1-12
1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto Him,
2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Apostle Paul was having to remind the brethren there about events that must happen first prior to Christ's coming and gathering of the Church on that "day of Christ" (means "day of the Lord" per Greek kurios in some Greek NT manuscripts). Paul even warned against those who had been passing false letters as if... from him and the Apostles. That is not something to be surprised about, for God's Word warns us about the "tares" sowed by the enemy, and those of Satan's servants who creep in to destroy.

3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

Two events MUST happen first, before Jesus' future return. That "man of sin" must be revealed exalted as... God, sitting in a traditional stone "temple of God", which is about a stone temple in JERUSALEM, and exalt himself there as... God, and over all that is even called... God, or that is worshipped. And along with that future event will be that great "falling away" (apostasy in the Greek).

Some men today try to twist the above to fit their false religious philosophy, wrongly claiming the above "man of sin" is either about a pope, or that it is not... even about a specific "antichrist" that is to come, but only the "spirit of antichrist" idea of 1 John 4.

But Apostle Paul makes this easy to know who that "man of sin" will be at the end of this world, because he was pointing to the very same 'spurious Messiah' that Lord Jesus was warning about in Matthew 24 and Mark 13.

5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?

Like I had said, Paul was having to remind the brethren here on this matter of events leading up to Christ's coming and gathering of the Church. Obviously, someone among them was trying to twist it, even as those still do to this day. (I will cover Paul's teaching on those also, eventually.)

6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

We are shown the one who is doing that withholding today per the Daniel 10 chapter. It is Archangel Michael. Turn with me to the Daniel 10 chapter...

Dan 10:20-21
20 Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.
21 But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.
KJV

The Daniel 10 chapter is about shadow events taking place in the heavenly. They parallel events that happen on earth. That "prince of Persia" is symbolic for Satan himself. That is most likely Archangel Gabriel that says Archangel Michael only is withholding that "prince of Persia" with him. The Revelation 12:7 war in heaven between Michael and his angels vs. Satan and his angels, which is still future and for the end, is when Archangel Michael will no longer be withholding Satan in heaven. Satan and his angels will then be cast down to this earth as written there. That means out of the heavenly dimension, and into our earthly dimension, in plain sight on earth. And sad to say, the majority are not prepared for that coming supernatural event at the end of this world.

That... is the subject Apostle Paul is actually covering with that "withholdeth" idea along with that "mystery of iniquity", which is about John's "many antichrists" idea. And that is about the "many" which Jesus said in Matthew 24:4-5 that come claiming... they are Christ, yet there is no mention there of their working great signs and wonders to try and prove it. Those are simply flesh servants of the devil, and represent John's "many antichrists" and Paul's "mystery of iniquity" which they said are already at work.

2 Thess.2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of His mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of His coming:

Why do you think the KJV translators put that "Wicked" in capitals? It's like they pretty well knew just who Apostle Paul meant with that label, but didn't want to shock the Church that read that. Well, it is now time. That "Wicked" is about the devil himself. That is who Paul pointed to with Michael withholding the devil in the heavenly until it is time for Michael to "stand up" by that Rev.12:7 war in Heaven (see also Daniel 12:1).

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

There Apostle Paul repeats Christ's warning about the coming 'spurious Messiah' who will work those great "signs and lying wonders", that if it were possible, would deceive even Christ's very elect. (See Matthew 24:23-26).

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.



11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
KJV

How is your mind in Christ brethren? Do you heed the many interpretations by Satan's "tares" that creep in so that what God's Word actually says 'as written' becomes totally unrecognizable? Are you in confusion by men's doctrines instead of recognizing the simplicity of God's written Word and staying in it?

Do you realize those deceived servants of the "synagogue of Satan" also come to Christian forums to push those many false interpretations, and try to confuse the simplicity of Bible Scripture? (See Rev.2:9 and 3:9 where Jesus warned about those who 'claim'... to be Jews, but are not, but are that "synagogue of Satan", which means they secretly work for the devil against Christ and His Church).

With that 2 Thessalonians 2 chapter, we easily see how Apostle Paul was giving the SAME warning that Lord Jesus was giving about the coming 'spurious Messiah' that He warned about in Matthew 24:23-26. Paul simply gives us a bit more detail about that coming 'spurious Messiah' as that "man of sin" that will work those SUPERNATURAL great signs and wonders connected with a JEWISH 3rd STONE temple to be built in JERUSALEM for the end of this world prior to Christ's 2nd coming.

Okay! Now that you have written a book about the many errors in understanding of what exactly constitutes someone becoming "THE Antichrist" to come, let's go back to your beginning and look at what it was that YOU MISSED!
KJV 1 John 4:3
And every [singular] spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this IS  THAT spirit OF antichrist, whereof ye have heard that IT should come; and even now already is IT in the world.

The words: "That spirit of antichrist" is in the singular, but it infects MANY to become antichristS, which is in the plural.

There is NO singular, one man band, religious magic man, to come!! All of that is a fictional, religious fantasy. A false concept hatched out of the denominational Bible colleges, aka "the wisdom of men".
However, the "mark of the beast" shall surely come, and it will be that which shall literally "separate the sheep from the goats".

 

[Douggg]

There is NO singular, one man band, religious magic man, to come!!

1 John 2:18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

The Antichrist will be a singular person.

Are you not aware that the Jews of Judaism are expecting their messiah (someone other than Jesus) ?