Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Behold]

Siding with the truth is carnal?

Episkopos teaches that The Cross of Christ is not given to redeem you from your sins.... (Forgive you).
Episkopos teaches that "The Cross is NOT ABOUT Forgiveness" of sin.
So, this is a Satanic teaching that literally blasphemes the very REASON for Jesus being sent to this earth by God.

So, if you also believe that The Cross is "NOTabout forgiveness of sin".......as Episkopos falsely teaches, then you are in a terrible situation, same as he is, as Hebrews 9:27 comes to get you.. @MostlyConfused .
That's a fact.

 

[amigo de christo]

I call it one of the most beautiful verses in the bible. And some folks here want to pick it to pieces til it is unrecognizable. Nobody need be offended that the sinless Christ was made sin for us or that we unworthies might become the righteousness of God in Him. It is not literal, it is a manner of speaking...how it is being reckoned. The verse is indicating in a beautiful way God accepting Christ's atonement for us by proxy...it speaks of a divine exchange, His life for ours. AKA the Gospel.

2Co 5:19-21

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Isa 53:4-6

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:12

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Lev 16:10

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Lev 16:21-22

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

for without faith it is impossible to please Him . Point to Faith in JESUS to the last breath dear sister .
WE sheep know there is no hope without HIM . Any who preaches unbeleif in HIM preaches but the work of an anti christ .
But unto he or she WHO points to FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , they do the WORK of GOD . Let all
that has breath bring HONOR and GLORY unto the SON . For HE who honors the SON does surely honor
The FATHER . Something HIC does not know or understand . For to call HIM a liar brings HIM not HONOR
but DISHONOR . FAITH . Its all about FAITH , BELIEVING IN the ONE WHOM GOD DID SEND .

 

[Behold]

Reader lets look at an issue that we all face or faced.....

We were all sinners........lost, and Hell bound.
Why?
Becasue there is nothing a sinner can do, of themselves, to have their sins forgiven, and if your sins are not forgiven before you die then you "shall die in them" Jesus said........and you wont be going to heaven in that state of UNFORGIVEN SIN.
Understand?
Its pretty simple.
So..........God understands this unforgiven sin issue we all face or faced..., and offers us the only eternal solution to this problem.

Q.) How can Holy God, accept a SINNER? @MostlyConfused

A.) = God wrapped Himself in Human flesh, born of a virgin to Offer His own BLOOD AND DEATH as the only WAY a sinner can be eternally forgiven and restored to God, as a born again Son-Daughter of God.

John 14:6

Listen,
God cannot accept sin, therefore God cannot accept a SINNER, in their unforgiven condition........so, HE HIMSELF became the remedy, as Jesus on THE Cross who DIED for ALL our SIN, so that God can eternally restore us unto Himself, as born again, forgiven, justified, and eternally secure.

So. if this has never happened to you , if you have never been forgiven all your sin through JESUS on THE Cross........if you are just water baptized and trying to be good (religious) because some unholy liar in a Pulpit, or on a Forum, on in a YOUTUBE VIDEO has led you to falsely believe that you can """do righteousness""" and get God to accept you, ("when there is NONE Righteous, no not one"")....of themselves........then you are not just deceived, you are on your way to Hell.
Hellbound is what you are........and this can only be changed by GOD = through Christ who offers you FORGIVENESS and Eternal Life as "the Gift of Salvation".

Reader,
God will NOT accept anyone's self effort as a means to save them or keep them.
God rejects your works and your self righteous deceived mind that foolishly believes you can "do righteousness" and find eternal redemption.
It can't be done.
Listen,
God has offered the only WAY back to Himself, John 14:6....as The Cross of Christ and Justification by faith = without works<<.
So, when you find some incredible heretic teaching that you can earn, or work for, or "do good" or any other type of self effort and God will save you, based on YOUR EFFORTS..... then this heretic is leading you away from God's Salvation, because they are doing their father's work.
See, reader....The Devil Himself is well pleased when someone deceives you with the LIE that YOU have the capacity, of yourself, to cause God to accept you.......when in fact, if that was true, then Jesus never had to come here and be tortured for YOUR SIN on The Cross.

 

[MostlyConfused]

7 times...yes..which just means many times. I have been in and out of the Spirit twice now. I'm working on my 3rd talent. Endeavoring to add in a growing maturity to the purity of holiness I was allowed to experience.

People who don't have that experience think I'm making things up because they are going by their beliefs and ideologies and bad bible reading...without any experience of God....at least no experience that was not a quick moment or two. Thereby drawing the wrong conclusions.

I point these to the bible for context....but they won't hear it.

Why do you think 7 times just means many and not actually 7?
Iknow 70x7 means many times but a specific 7?
Why not think there are 7 heavens or stages or states approaching into holiness as Paul said he was taken up into the 7th heaven?
Thats the only verse that came to mind.
I am NOT arguing. Its very important to me that you know that.

 

[ProDeo]

Of course. It is a devastating thing to fall from grace...to be sent back to walk as any man....in one's own strength again. People who have never entered into the kingdom walk have no idea of how devastating the experience is. So it's easy to ridicule those who have indeed tasted the goodness of the life to come. But I have come to see it as training in righteousness. We go in and out of the Spirit and find pasture. Jesus being the doorway....and the life that is found in the kingdom realm.

I don't think you understand the point of Paul's testimony in Romans 7. The solution is not about self-comfort...but entering back INTO the Spirit. Paul speaks of falling out of the Spirit and then realizing that sin had a grip on him again. Who can save us from that? Christ...and entering into Him to walk as He walked in His perfection. And failing that to AT LEAST humble yourself and learn righteousness...become like the meek and lowly...perhaps GOd will have mercy on you.

So the maturing of the saint is to fail God, and then LEARN righteousness as a support for the gift of grace..being saved by grace through faithfulness as well as faith (same word in Hebrew and Greek)

I think you are looking for comfort without fearing God. But read this..

Then had the churches rest throughout all Judaea and Galilee and Samaria, and were edified; and walking in the fear of the Lord, and in the comfort of the Holy Ghost, were multiplied. Acts 9:31

Do you see the balance? Fear on the sinful part of us, the outer man...AND comfort in the inner man.

So then carry your cross....the deadness of your carnal nature...by taking RESPONSIBILITY for every word and deed (unlike the pretenders here who act like they are innocent of evil)

Be weaned gradually from the flesh or all at once be crucified so that it is Christ doing the works. Or both...

When we are not in the Spirit, we should be weaned of the flesh and looking to God for guidance and mercy.

There is a big difference between being led by the Spirit and being IN the Spirit.

The difference in our testimonies is that you didn't fall from the perfection of Christ...you fell from a THINKING that you were already perfect. Do you see the difference? No self involved in a saint's training. It's about understanding the rules of the race of faith.

What a pity you did not answer my question.

 

[Episkopos]

Episkopos teaches that The Cross of Christ is not given to redeem you from your sins.... (Forgive you).

The cross of Christ is meant to kill our outer man sin nature...so that we can partake of His resurrection life in the inner man.

Jesus passed through death in order to defeat it through a resurrection life made for a new Covenant with us.

Episkopos teaches that "The Cross is NOT ABOUT Forgiveness" of sin.

The cross is about sanctification...killing what cannot be made holy. God has ALWAYS forgiven sin. Jesus didn't have to die to make God merciful. No...He made a new and living way that we should follow Him into it.

So, this is a Satanic teaching that literally blasphemes the very REASON for Jesus being sent to this earth by God.

How ironic and against what Jesus did. Just because you want to exploit Jesus' sacrifice for selfish purposes. Jesus is the Lamb of God....not the Lamb of religious exploiters.

So, if you also believe that The Cross is "NOTabout forgiveness of sin".......as Episkopos falsely teaches, then you are in a terrible situation, same as he is, as Hebrews 9:27 comes to get you.. @MostlyConfused .
That's a fact.

The truth is that Jesus died for the sins of the whole world. God doesn't need you to approve of that...it's done already. But Jesus was raised in victory over sin to give life to those who follow Him to the cross AND to sanctify the saved of the nations in submission to Christ and the ruling saints in the next age.

 

[Episkopos]

Why do you think 7 times just means many and not actually 7?
Iknow 70x7 means many times but a specific 7?
Why not think there are 7 heavens or stages or states approaching into holiness as Paul said he was taken up into the 7th heaven?
Thats the only verse that came to mind.
I am NOT arguing. Its very important to me that you know that.

The bible says...the 7 spirits of God. God is the God of spirits. Does that statement mean that God only has 7 spirits to work with?

And the Israelite tested God 10 times in the desert before He rejected them. That would be 3 more times than He gives the righteous?

God decides when enough is enough.

 

[MostlyConfused]

The bible says...the 7 spirits of God. God is the God of spirits. Does that statement mean that God only has 7 spirits to work with?

And the Israelite tested God 10 times in the desert before He rejected them. That would be 3 more times than He gives the righteous?

God decides when enough is enough.

Oh...I didn't mean a 7 strikes and you're out type of thing. I just thought I saw a connection between 2 verses.
I was picturing more of a set of stairs or a ladder leading to union with God, not any amount of strikes. Not that I picture it all as strictly linear or that you can't return to stair one from any level of intimacy or commune with God. I lose my recently given peace if I begin to think I must do something or return to laboring rather than receiving peaceably what is given to me. That is a being sent down to where you were before until you return to your previous surrender and poverty. I've done it numerous times, begun to want to go back to what I've known and done rather than stay in this new place in trust.
I would guess it's happened at least 7 times in the first two months alone, but He is patient as I learn what to do and not do to be permitted to stay on what I'm guessing is only the first step.
It's like a farm dog that's allowed up on the front porch and sent back down into the yard if she starts chewing on the furniture or trying to sleep on the furniture. As long as she knows her place she can stay closer to the owners of the house.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

And you're OK with adding words that aren't in the scriptures because...the Babylonian system has authority to lie? Where's the outrage?

Well we all know the He in those passages refers to god, so there is no error or mistranslating or reinterpreting Scripture. So why do you have a prblem?

 

[Episkopos]

Well we all know the He in those passages refers to god, so there is no error or mistranslating or reinterpreting Scripture. So why do you have a prblem?

Wow. First off, there is no 2 "he's".... just one. He was made sin by (for) us....that's it. And the fact that you would allow the word "god" to be added into a text where that word is not found...tells me all I need to know about how you care for the truth.

 

[MostlyConfused]

there is nothing a sinner can do, of themselves, to have their sins forgiven, and if your sins are not forgiven before you die then you "shall die in them" Jesus said........and you wont be going to heaven in that state of UNFORGIVEN SIN.

Wow. First off, there is no 2 "he's".... just one. He was made sin by (for) us....that's it. And the fact that you would allow the word "god" to be added into a text where that word is not found...tells me all I need to know about how you care for the truth.

This ties into “it is better that one man die…” It seems to be a prophecy.
I think I may have collected that somewhere from you (or maybe it was Fenelon or JOTC) and if so, forgive me repeating what I’ve learned. I think I am so dull as to need repetition. You repeat over and over in many ways and if it ever seems laborious to you just know that some of us need that. With certain men, you included, I am like a child wanting to watch a movie over and over again. Good for me but maybe exasperating to you…

 

[Lizbeth]

for without faith it is impossible to please Him . Point to Faith in JESUS to the last breath dear sister .
WE sheep know there is no hope without HIM . Any who preaches unbeleif in HIM preaches but the work of an anti christ .
But unto he or she WHO points to FAITH IN HE WHOM GOD DID SEND , they do the WORK of GOD . Let all
that has breath bring HONOR and GLORY unto the SON . For HE who honors the SON does surely honor
The FATHER . Something HIC does not know or understand . For to call HIM a liar brings HIM not HONOR
but DISHONOR . FAITH . Its all about FAITH , BELIEVING IN the ONE WHOM GOD DID SEND .

I dont' want to drag you back into this thread again brother, I'm done here myself. Just wanted to get one last thing off my chest.....another way in which the cart is being put in front of the horse is when people are trying to attain to the pinnacle of holiness before they have even acquired basic Christian maturity. That is out of order and leads in a wrong way, so its no wonder things go askew. We need the preparation first.......in order to have on the right garments. That is so very scriptural. Preparation of the Bride. Preparation day comes before the Sabbath rest. Let God deal with our flesh, and that takes as long as it takes. Otherwise we will be handling precious holy things of God (ark) with hands of flesh.

We are God's workmanship, not our own......this shouldn't be about spiritual social climbing or spiritual self-actualization like pagan belief systems.....and it's not about the Tree of Knowledge which puffs up.....it is about GOD being glorified, not us. We need to be led by Him, following Him, in terms of our personal growth as well as in other ways.......not running ahead of Him. Jesus told us why He would say "away from me I never knew you" to those who were doing all sorts of things in His name......because they did not the will of the Father but were handling His precious things according to their own will....for themselves.....and had not done His will in obeying and allowing Him to deal with their flesh.

In any case I believe these threads belong in the Unorthodox forum, because at minimum the teachings about the foundational things here are clearly unorthodox, and that is what that forum is for. Maybe the decision makers here aren't aware of it.

 

[Episkopos]

This ties into “it is better that one man die…” It seems to be a prophecy.

Amen. God knows human reasoning inside and out. And so does the devil. The genius of God is to weave what is an evil and selfish intent into something selfless and beneficial for ALL but them. This wisdom is lost on those who continue to pursue the failed, but seemingly right way, that God has permitted in order that others might see. Jesus came to give sight to the blind and to blind those who think they see.

I think I may have collected that somewhere from you (or maybe it was Fenelon or JOTC) and if so, forgive me repeating what I’ve learned. I think I am so dull as to need repetition. You repeat over and over in many ways and if it ever seems laborious to you just know that some of us need that. With certain men, you included, I am like a child wanting to watch a movie over and over again. Good for me but maybe exasperating to you…

Whatever is of truth is for all. :)

 

[MostlyConfused]

In any case I believe these threads belong in the Unorthodox forum, because at minimum the teachings about the foundational things here are clearly unorthodox, and that is what that forum is for. Maybe the decision makers here aren't aware of it.

When you tear out a man's tongue or lobby for his silencing you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he may say.
(I may have mangled that quote by Martin)

Of course, you’re only suggesting it because you’re so scared and concerned for everyone else, right?

 

[Episkopos]

I dont' want to drag you back into this thread again brother, I'm done here myself. Just wanted to get one last thing off my chest.....another way in which the cart is being put in front of the horse is when people are trying to attain to the pinnacle of holiness before they have even acquired basic Christian maturity.

Grace is a free gift...not something earned over time. We attain to the pinnacle of holiness by entering into Christ by grace through faith. Holiness is about location...being found IN Him...who knows no sin. In Him is no sin. That we may be partakers of His holiness.

That is out of order and leads in a wrong way, so its no wonder things go askew. We need the preparation first.......in order to have on the right garments. That is so very scriptural. Preparation of the Bride. Preparation day comes before the Sabbath rest. Let God deal with our flesh, and that takes as long as it takes. Otherwise we will be handling precious holy things of God (ark) with hands of flesh.

We put on Christ...that is our holy garment. That is our preparation.

We are God's workmanship, not our own......this shouldn't be about spiritual social climbing or spiritual self-actualization like pagan belief systems

And yet this is what you espouse...a slow gaining of holiness over time....which is antithetical to any sound doctrine. We are to learn righteousness that supports holiness. But holiness is by translation into the heavenly kingdom realm...which cannot be climbed into by human means. So your idea of holiness is wrong. You are conflating holiness with righteousness...something that can be matured into over time.

.....and it's not about the Tree of Knowledge which puffs up.....it is about GOD being glorified, not us. We need to be led by Him, following Him, in terms of our personal growth as well as in other ways.......not running ahead of Him. Jesus told us why He would say "away from me I never knew you" to those who were doing all sorts of things in His name......because they did not the will of the Father but were handling His precious things according to their own will....for themselves.....and had not done His will in obeying and allowing Him to deal with their flesh.

And that's why I warn you. Knowing the terror of the Lord, I warn people. Knowing what the great delusion is I bring clarity to the gospel in a clear and balanced way.

In any case I believe these threads belong in the Unorthodox forum, because at minimum the teachings about the foundational things here are clearly unorthodox, and that is what that forum is for. Maybe the decision makers here aren't aware of it.

This forum is about Christianity....and what I'm laying out is the biblical form of Christianity. What you think is orthodox is actually the counterfeit dogmatic version that saves no one.

The counterfeit form always sought to use force to persecute the truth...because it is aligned with the god of this world who uses man's systems to blind people to the truth. And God allows it so that those who love the truth would stand out the more.

 

[Grailhunter]

I call it one of the most beautiful verses in the bible. And some folks here want to pick it to pieces til it is unrecognizable. Nobody need be offended that the sinless Christ was made sin for us or that we unworthies might become the righteousness of God in Him. It is not literal, it is a manner of speaking...how it is being reckoned. The verse is indicating in a beautiful way God accepting Christ's atonement for us by proxy...it speaks of a divine exchange, His life for ours. AKA the Gospel.

2Co 5:19-21

To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.


Isa 53:4-6

Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Isa 53:12

Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

Lev 16:10

But the goat, on which the lot fell to be the scapegoat, shall be presented alive before the LORD, to make an atonement with him, and to let him go for a scapegoat into the wilderness.

Lev 16:21-22

And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:

And the goat shall bear upon him all their iniquities unto a land not inhabited: and he shall let go the goat in the wilderness.

You are right. Great group of verses in this.
11 Therefore, knowing the fear of the Lord, we persuade men, but we are made manifest to God; and I hope that we are made manifest also in your consciences. 12 We are not again commending ourselves to you but are giving you an occasion to be proud of us, so that you will have an answer for those who take pride in appearance and not in heart. 13 For if we are beside ourselves, it is for God; if we are of sound mind, it is for you. 14 For the love of Christ controls us, having concluded this, that one died for all, therefore all died; 15 and He died for all, so that they who live might no longer live for themselves, but for Him who died and rose again on their behalf.

16 Therefore from now on we recognize no one according to the flesh; even though we have known Christ according to the flesh, yet now we know Him in this way no longer. 17 Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come. 18 Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation, 19 namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.

20 Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. 21 He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Bearing the sins of the world on the Cross. And we die with Him in Baptism and resurrect with Him as we rise out of the water, born again as a new person. Sinless, to start fresh and new life in Christ. This is a moment in time that every Christian should savor and do their best to be good and do good on their Christian journey.....a walk with Christ as they work out their salvation with fear and trembling. Amen.

Put on the armor of Christ to confront false prophets and preachers.

 

[Episkopos]

Holiness is a gift from God. We become PARTAKERS of Christ's holiness when we put on Christ...who knows no sin.

The bible NEVER says we learn holiness. No, holiness is about location...being seated with Christ WHERE He is.

Righteousness is compatible with WISDOM. But even a fool can enter into holiness. Purity is not the same as maturity. Purity is a gift of God. Maturity is earned over time (meritocracy). Not many become wise. But look what the bible has to say about the way of holiness...

And an highway shall be there, and a way, and it shall be called The way of holiness; the unclean shall not pass over it; but it shall be for those: the wayfaring men, though fools, shall not err therein. Is. 35:8

 

[marks]

When you tear out a man's tongue or lobby for his silencing you are not proving him a liar, you're only telling the world that you fear what he may say.
(I may have mangled that quote by Martin)

Of course, you’re only suggesting it because you’re so scared and concerned for everyone else, right?

We are to oppose false doctrine. It's not about fear.

Titus 1:10-11 KJV
10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

There is a time and a place.

Much love!

 

[MostlyConfused]

We are to oppose false doctrine. It's not about fear.

Titus 1:10-11 KJV
10) For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11) Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.

There is a time and a place.

Much love!

She wasn’t lobbying for opposing it. She was lobbying for throwing him down the well of the unorthodox forum because he won’t dance to the song she is playing or say what she wants.

 

[marks]

She wasn’t lobbying for opposing it. She was lobbying for throwing him down the well of the unorthodox forum because he won’t dance to the song she is playing or say what she wants.

His doctrine is unorthodox. That is the correct forum for it. Throwing him down a well? No.

because he won’t dance to the song she is playing or say what she wants.

You can characterize other people's writings however you like, only, remember, your words reveal you, what's in your heart, not others.

You are giving your opinion, and couching it in a particular way. This reveals you.

Much love!