Go and Sin no more...is this possible?

[Taken]

Believers "confess" (Greek - homologeó) speak the same/acknowledge/agree with God's perspective about their sins and have a settled recognition and ongoing acknowledgment that one is a sinner in need of cleansing and forgiveness in contrast with saying that we have no sin or that we have not sinned. (1 John 1:8-10)

I've heard certain people interpret 1 John 1:9 to mean that we "must confess each and every sin that we commit as we commit them" (keep a specific inventory of every sin we have ever committed) as an "additional requirement" to "remain cleansed" and "if we forget a sin we are toast!" Who could actually write an exhaustive list of every sin they have ever committed or ever will commit? Sin is not only missing the mark by what we do but also what we fail to do. (James 4:17)

James 1:
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

We are at least in the same chapter.

It squarely lands on…

* True Heartful belief is required to become made whole and saved by God.

* The belief must be established Before a mans bodily Death.

* The soul saving and spirit quickening is Given AFTER an accounted Bodily Death.

* An “accounting” of a bodily Death is PER Gods Accounting…
** Physical bodily Death.
**Crucified with Jesus’ body.

Still mortally alive (but accounted Dead, crucified with Jesus’ body)…you also thereafter live in Jesus’ Risen Body…
Called “IN Christ”.

His Spirit is Also IN You, as He Promised.

John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

John.15
[4] Abide in me, and I in you.

And … none is greater than He who abides in you.

Christ the Power of God.
1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

And…
1 John 4:
[4] Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.

It is a once and forever promise to Forever be with God…
And while “still in this world, With God”…
Nothing can separate Him from you or you from Him.

Glory and Thanks be unto God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

“GO AND SIN NO MORE” - Jesus Christ the Lord.

What will you say to the Lord when you meet him at judgement day having continued in sin after being washed in his blood?

Clever theological reasoning probably won’t do you any good.

 

[mailmandan]

James 1:
[1] James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.

Glory to God,
Taken

So, knowing the right thing to do and failing to do it, is only sin for the twelve tribes of Israel?

 

[mailmandan]

“GO AND SIN NO MORE” - Jesus Christ the Lord.

What will you say to the Lord when you meet him at judgement day having continued in sin after being washed in his blood?

Clever theological reasoning probably won’t do you any good.

Once again, Jesus was offering mercy to the woman who was caught in adultery, along with a call to turn away from her lifestyle of sin/practicing adultery, which would be continuing in sin. Jesus knows that she will not obtain absolute flawless, sinless perfection in her earthly life, yet Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard, so He is not going to lower the bar and say, just sin occasionally.

To "continue in sin” means to to deliberately, habitually, and unrepentantly persist in a lifestyle of sin. I have no misconceptions about God’s forgiveness and grace giving a person a free pass to keep sinning all they want/practice sin. God forbid!

What will you say to the Lord when you meet Him at judgement day claiming to have no sin, which stems from self deception and a lack of the truth within you, along with denying that Jesus is God? To deny the deity of Jesus is to say he is a created being, a prophet, or a great moral teacher, but is not God in essence/nature. Only Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh can save you from your sins. A different Jesus cannot save you.

 

[Brakelite]

Amen! 1 John 3:6 - Sinneth not (ουχ αμαρτανε). Linear present (linear μενων, keeps on abiding) active indicative of αμαρτανω, "does not keep on sinning." For μενω (abide) see 1 John 2:6; John 15:4-10.

Whosoever sinneth (ο αμαρτανων). Present (linear) active articular participle like μενων above, "the one who keeps on sinning" (lives a life of sin, not mere occasional acts of sin as αμαρτησας, aorist active participle, would mean).

1 John 3:9 - Doeth no sin (αμαρτιαν ου ποιε). Linear present active indicative as in verse 1 John 3:4 like αμαρτανε in verse 1 John 3:8. The child of God does not have the habit of sin.

His seed (σπερμα αυτου). God's seed, "the divine principle of life" (Vincent). Cf. 1 John 3:1.

And he cannot sin (κα ου δυνατα αμαρτανειν). This is a wrong translation, for this English naturally means "and he cannot commit sin" as if it were κα ου δυνατα αμαρτειν or αμαρτησα (second aorist or first aorist active infinitive). The present active infinitive αμαρτανειν can only mean "and he cannot go on sinning," as is true of αμαρτανε in verse 1 John 3:8 and αμαρτανων in verse 1 John 3:6. For the aorist subjunctive to commit a sin see αμαρτητε and αμαρτη in 1 John 2:1. A great deal of false theology has grown out of a misunderstanding of the tense of αμαρτανειν here. Paul has precisely John's idea in Romans 6:1 επιμενωμεν τη αμαρτια (shall we continue in sin, present active linear subjunctive) in contrast with αμαρτησωμεν in Romans 6:15 (shall we commit a sin, first aorist active subjunctive).

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The question remains however. "Go and sin no more... is that possible", to which the answer must be yes, absolutely. Because Jesus came to take away sin. Not just the habits, not just the addictions, but sin in is insidious minutest form. Is it possible?? Not is it done yet. Is it possible!! Is sin more powerful than the Holy Spirit? Are we more powerful than the God who seeks to sanctify us to the uttermost? To restore unto each and every one of us the image of Christ? Is that possible? Of course it is.
Some will seek to trap others into a guilty trip by challenging the premise by asking, are you sinless? That's dragon speak. The question asked... is it possible... to say no is a lack of faith in God's power. Or perhaps a lack of desire for the righteousness of Christ. Or perhaps a love for a particular sin they don't want to shed. We are all different in our stages of faith and sanctification. But it is possible for those who wholly commit and surrender. They who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. Either you believe that promise ( which takes time to be completed, like a lifetime) or you continue to wallow in the muck and mire to which you constantly return. God is able to do exceedingly abundantly more than we ask or think.

 

[Brakelite]

Once again, Jesus was offering mercy to the woman who was caught in adultery, along with a call to turn away from her lifestyle of sin/practicing adultery, which would be continuing in sin. Jesus knows that she will not obtain absolute flawless, sinless perfection in her earthly life, yet Jesus cannot compromise His perfect, holy standard, so He is not going to lower the bar and say, just sin occasionally.

To "continue in sin” means to to deliberately, habitually, and unrepentantly persist in a lifestyle of sin. I have no misconceptions about God’s forgiveness and grace giving a person a free pass to keep sinning all they want/practice sin. God forbid!

What will you say to the Lord when you meet Him at judgement day claiming to have no sin, which stems from self deception and a lack of the truth within you, along with denying that Jesus is God? To deny the deity of Jesus is to say he is a created being, a prophet, or a great moral teacher, but is not God in essence/nature. Only Jesus Christ who is God in the flesh can save you from your sins. A different Jesus cannot save you.

I agree with your premise. But the woman, as you say, while through the power of God is able to overcome her promiscuous lifestyle, to her will be revealed other sins and habits she needs to deal with. And as each one is revealed by the Holy Spirit (convicting the world of sin, righteousness, and judgment), she is given opportunity to surrender to the power of God repenting of each failing as she grows up to full maturity. That applies to every one of us. We grow closer to Jesus and the shortcomings and failings will eventually be overcome. And in the final analysis, it is God alone Who accomplished this, but our choice how far we want go with it. All the way, or half hearted and sitting on the fence. Either we love God with all our heart, soul, and mind or we love our idols more.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

To "continue in sin” means to to deliberately, habitually, and unrepentantly persist in a lifestyle of sin.

More loop holes and excuses from @mailmandan to enable sin.

But:

“…if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live…” (Ezekiel 3:21)

 

[mailmandan]

More loop holes and excuses from @mailmandan to enable sin.

But:

“…if thou warn the righteous man, that the righteous sin not, and he doth not sin, he shall surely live…” (Ezekiel 3:21)

No loopholes or excuses. Your continued straw man arguments about enabling sin have amounted to slander, which is sin. So much for your personal claim of sinless perfection. (1 John 1:8)

Ezekiel is appointed as a watchman for the house of Israel (Ezekiel 3:17) under the old covenant of law. His job is to deliver God’s warnings, not to instill a state of absolute sinlessness. The verse addresses specific choices and responses to correction. Avoiding a specific warned sin demonstrates repentance, but it does not imply that the individual has achieved a permanent, flawless state free from all sin.

 

[mailmandan]

The question remains however. "Go and sin no more... is that possible", to which the answer must be yes, absolutely. Because Jesus came to take away sin. Not just the habits, not just the addictions, but sin in is insidious minutest form. Is it possible?? Not is it done yet. Is it possible!! Is sin more powerful than the Holy Spirit? Are we more powerful than the God who seeks to sanctify us to the uttermost? To restore unto each and every one of us the image of Christ? Is that possible? Of course it is.
Some will seek to trap others into a guilty trip by challenging the premise by asking, are you sinless? That's dragon speak. The question asked... is it possible... to say no is a lack of faith in God's power. Or perhaps a lack of desire for the righteousness of Christ. Or perhaps a love for a particular sin they don't want to shed. We are all different in our stages of faith and sanctification. But it is possible for those who wholly commit and surrender. They who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. Either you believe that promise (which takes time to be completed, like a lifetime) or you continue to wallow in the muck and mire to which you constantly return. God is able to do exceedingly abundantly more than we ask or think.

To go and sin no more in the fullest sense is what Christians are to strive for and like you said, we are all at different stages in the sanctification process. You seem to believe that attaining the goal of entire sanctification or sinless perfection is possible but takes a lifetime while others claim they have attained that goal instantaneously upon their alleged conversion and have remained there ever since. I have no problem with striving for holiness but I have a big problem with folks who uphold themselves as "holier than thou" and are quick to judge and condemn others. Such folks can learn a valuable lesson from the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. (Luke 18:9-14)

 

[Brakelite]

To go and sin no more in the fullest sense is what Christians are to strive for and like you said, we are all at different stages in the sanctification process. You seem to believe that attaining the goal of entire sanctification or sinless perfection is possible but takes a lifetime while others claim they have attained that goal instantaneously upon their alleged conversion and have remained there ever since. I have no problem with striving for holiness but I have a big problem with folks who uphold themselves as "holier than thou" and are quick to judge and condemn others. Such folks can learn a valuable lesson from the parable of the Pharisee and the tax collector. (Luke 18:9-14)

Even though the Lord says they who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled, I don't think He meant strive for it. Hungering and thirsting to me means desire earnestly. Covet it. Yearn for it passionately as a treasure to be found. But such a treasure is a gift that comes only by faith, not by striving or working. And Paul, at the height of his career admitted that he had not yet attained to such heights, so who are we to claim success? The moment we do, we have fallen to pride and arrogance. I do think though that at the very end, the elect will overcome as a testimony that even at the heights of global evil and rebellion against God, He will be vindicated in all His works by a bride pure, holy and righteous. Without blemish and without spot.

 

[Taken]

So, knowing the right thing to do and failing to do it, is only sin for the twelve tribes of Israel?

SIN is Against God.
Only God Forgives Sin.

The Hebrews/ Tribes, Are Gods Chosen People.
They were Taught First via Laws and Statutes.
They Had a Mission … To Learn and Be the Teacher's of their Own, and then Teachers and Examples to the World.

Do you Follow, Them, Their Laws, Do, as They Do?

Did you Notice, The History Events After Jesus Arrived ON Earth?
The 12 ISRAELITES Jesus Chose to Follow and Learn From Jesus?
And Warnings…?

* One of the Twelve…Judas, Treasurer of the Brothers Money?
The Same Judas, who LOVED MONEY more than Loving the Lord? And his demise?

* The Lord sending out His Disciples TO Israelites?

Matt 10:
[1] And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
[2] Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
[3] Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
[4] Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.
[5] These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not:
[6] But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Lost Israelites??
Lost How?
Not Following their 600+ Mosaic Laws?
No.
Rather were adapting to Gentile ways of Loving Money MORE that The Jewish God.

The Big Picture, From JEWS to GENTILES…
Was Not about Mosaic Laws, that Gentiles should Adopt…
Rather getting to Know and LOVE Above All things…
Having a True Faithful Love of God of the Hebrews, ISRAEL, the Tribes, the Jews…
And thereafter, Love All men…friend or enemy.

The Big picture lands squarely on Love is WHAT IS Right and DOING WHAT is Right, regardless of the consequences.

All Jews have not figured that out, no more than ALL the Disciples figured that out.

All Gentiles have Not Accepted the God of the Tribes of Israel.

Judas could have Repented.
He chose not to.

The Lesson “Beginning” with All the Mosaic Laws, To Jesus’ Ministry…
From Doctrines, Traditions, Rituals…
From Israelites to Gentiles…
“Ends on”…Lands on The Right…Righteousness…Of LOVE…
A mans Love of the Lord God Almighty Above All
And
Love of All men thereafter.

Any mans Rejection of THAT ^^…
IS a man AGAINST God…
IS a mans SIN…
Can Only be Forgiven BY God.

John 6:
[28] Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
[29] Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.
(Forward to end of chapter 6)

Matt 22:
[36] Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
[37] Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
[38] This is the first and great commandment.
[39] And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[40] On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

In the beginning…(of humans)
Surely God Divided many things, including People… Hebrews, ISRAEL, Tribes, Jews …
AND Gentiles.

In the ending…(of humans)
Every individual will choose his Destiny to BE WITH or WITHOUT God…
based on ONE Thing…
Their own single Works of LOVING the Lord God Almighty.
Any man Rejecting to Do So, IS his SIN, and Accounted to him, and Judged and Consequence accordingly.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

No loopholes or excuses. Your continued straw man arguments about enabling sin have amounted to slander, which is sin. So much for your personal claim of sinless perfection. (1 John 1:8)

Ezekiel is appointed as a watchman for the house of Israel (Ezekiel 3:17) under the old covenant of law. His job is to deliver God’s warnings, not to instill a state of absolute sinlessness. The verse addresses specific choices and responses to correction. Avoiding a specific warned sin demonstrates repentance, but it does not imply that the individual has achieved a permanent, flawless state free from all sin.

No scripture quotations.

Just the ramblings and reasons of a man.

No surprise.

 

[mailmandan]

Even though the Lord says they who hunger and thirst for righteousness will be filled, I don't think He meant strive for it. Hungering and thirsting to me means desire earnestly. Covet it. Yearn for it passionately as a treasure to be found. But such a treasure is a gift that comes only by faith, not by striving or working. And Paul, at the height of his career admitted that he had not yet attained to such heights, so who are we to claim success? The moment we do, we have fallen to pride and arrogance. I do think though that at the very end, the elect will overcome as a testimony that even at the heights of global evil and rebellion against God, He will be vindicated in all His works by a bride pure, holy and righteous. Without blemish and without spot.

I was talking about striving for holiness. In Hebrews 12:14, we are told to "pursue" (other translations say "strive" for) peace with all men and for holiness. This striving is an active response to God's grace which involves our ongoing sanctification rather than a human attempt to earn salvation.

 

[mailmandan]

No scripture quotations.

Just the ramblings and reasons of a man.

No surprise.

I was addressing Ezekiel 3:21 in context. You simply isolated your pet verse and ignored the context. Let me know when you finally have something useful or edifying to say.

 

[bdavidc]

The question remains however. "Go and sin no more... is that possible", to which the answer must be yes, absolutely. Because Jesus came to take away sin. Not just the habits, not just the addictions, but sin in is insidious minutest form. Is it possible?? Not is it done yet. Is it possible!! Is sin more powerful than the Holy Spirit? Are we more powerful than the God who seeks to sanctify us to the uttermost? To restore unto each and every one of us the image of Christ? Is that possible? Of course it is.
Some will seek to trap others into a guilty trip by challenging the premise by asking, are you sinless? That's dragon speak. The question asked... is it possible... to say no is a lack of faith in God's power. Or perhaps a lack of desire for the righteousness of Christ. Or perhaps a love for a particular sin they don't want to shed. We are all different in our stages of faith and sanctification. But it is possible for those who wholly commit and surrender. They who hunger and thirst for righteousness shall be filled. Either you believe that promise ( which takes time to be completed, like a lifetime) or you continue to wallow in the muck and mire to which you constantly return. God is able to do exceedingly abundantly more than we ask or think.

The problem is that you are turning a command to forsake sin into a promise of sinless perfection in this life. Scripture does not make that jump.

Jesus saying, “Go, and sin no more” (John 8:11) tells her what she ought to do. It does not say she would thereafter become incapable of committing any sin. John himself writes to believers, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” (1 John 1:8), and immediately afterward says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father” (1 John 2:1). There is the biblical balance. We are commanded not to sin, but provision is plainly stated for believers when they do sin.

Paul said the same thing about his own sanctification: “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after” (Philippians 3:12).

So yes, God is powerful enough to deliver us from every sin, and no Christian should make excuses for sin. Sanctification is real, obedience matters, and we should pursue holiness. But the question is not what God has the power to do. The question is what Scripture says He has promised to accomplish in believers before glorification.

Calling disagreement with sinless perfection “dragon speak,” lack of faith, love of sin, or unwillingness to surrender does not answer the passages above. Those are accusations about motives. We need to stay with what is written.

Scripture commands holiness. It teaches real growth in holiness. It does not teach that a believer can reach absolute sinlessness in this present life. That conclusion goes beyond the text.

 

[marks]

The problem is that you are turning a command to forsake sin into a promise of sinless perfection in this life. Scripture does not make that jump.

Jesus saying, “Go, and sin no more” (John 8:11) tells her what she ought to do. It does not say she would thereafter become incapable of committing any sin. John himself writes to believers, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” (1 John 1:8), and immediately afterward says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father” (1 John 2:1). There is the biblical balance. We are commanded not to sin, but provision is plainly stated for believers when they do sin.

Paul said the same thing about his own sanctification: “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after” (Philippians 3:12).

So yes, God is powerful enough to deliver us from every sin, and no Christian should make excuses for sin. Sanctification is real, obedience matters, and we should pursue holiness. But the question is not what God has the power to do. The question is what Scripture says He has promised to accomplish in believers before glorification.

Calling disagreement with sinless perfection “dragon speak,” lack of faith, love of sin, or unwillingness to surrender does not answer the passages above. Those are accusations about motives. We need to stay with what is written.

Scripture commands holiness. It teaches real growth in holiness. It does not teach that a believer can reach absolute sinlessness in this present life. That conclusion goes beyond the text.

Just remember . . . God is able to sanctify you according to whatever His intent is for you in any given time, or even for the remainder of your life, if that is His will.

I don't believe we are qualified to know if we have ourselves ceased from committing sins. Even if we are completely honest with ourselves, we don't necessarily know every sin we commit, as Paul affirms in 1 Corinthians 4, that only Jesus is our fit Judge, and not even we ourselves.

1 Thessalonians 5:23 KJV
And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

While various Scriptures speak in terms of God's working in us throughout our lives, yet it likewise leaves room that God may wholly sanctify us.

As we walk in the Spirit we will not be conscious of sin, though that does not mean we are right in everything we think, do, or say. We can leave it to the Holy Spirit to bring to our attention anything He intends for us to know.

Much love!

 

[Brakelite]

The problem is that you are turning a command to forsake sin into a promise of sinless perfection in this life. Scripture does not make that jump.

Jesus saying, “Go, and sin no more” (John 8:11) tells her what she ought to do. It does not say she would thereafter become incapable of committing any sin. John himself writes to believers, “If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves” (1 John 1:8), and immediately afterward says, “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father” (1 John 2:1). There is the biblical balance. We are commanded not to sin, but provision is plainly stated for believers when they do sin.

Paul said the same thing about his own sanctification: “Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect: but I follow after” (Philippians 3:12).

So yes, God is powerful enough to deliver us from every sin, and no Christian should make excuses for sin. Sanctification is real, obedience matters, and we should pursue holiness. But the question is not what God has the power to do. The question is what Scripture says He has promised to accomplish in believers before glorification.

Calling disagreement with sinless perfection “dragon speak,” lack of faith, love of sin, or unwillingness to surrender does not answer the passages above. Those are accusations about motives. We need to stay with what is written.

Scripture commands holiness. It teaches real growth in holiness. It does not teach that a believer can reach absolute sinlessness in this present life. That conclusion goes beyond the text.

You are the one who brought up sinless perfection. I'm just repeating the promises and commands related to overcoming and the power of God in our lives. As each character flaw is presented to us by the Holy Spirit, whether it's in the realm of disobedience or habit, or dangerous tradition or debilitating sin, is your response God can't do that?

 

[marks]

You are the one who brought up sinless perfection. I'm just repeating the promises and commands related to overcoming and the power of God in our lives. As each character flaw is presented to us by the Holy Spirit, whether it's in the realm of disobedience or habit, or dangerous tradition or debilitating sin, is your response God can't do that?

This is what I say, that there is no sin we cannot refuse to commit in the power of the Holy Spirit. That being said, "it is God who works in you both to will and to do what pleases Him". He is still in the process of repairing my will.

Much love!

 

[bdavidc]

You are the one who brought up sinless perfection. I'm just repeating the promises and commands related to overcoming and the power of God in our lives. As each character flaw is presented to us by the Holy Spirit, whether it's in the realm of disobedience or habit, or dangerous tradition or debilitating sin, is your response God can't do that?

No. I already said God can deliver us from every sin. That is not the question. You said complete victory over sin ‘in its minutest form’ is possible and described it as something completed over a lifetime. I answered that claim. Do not now replace it with the much narrower question of whether God can give victory over an individual sin. Of course He can. Show where Scripture promises that a believer will become completely sinless before glorification.