Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2
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Such a one-sided perspective this is. I often see when flesh rises up on BOTH sides, including myself.
I will never agree or link arms with anything that says one can stop protecting self and become holy without first having Christ in them. That is not Christianity. It is just a belief system among many belief systems, being done in His name.
amigo de christo
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care to comment epi . why was it over all those years
when i too agreed hyper grace was false , like you do
but then would say WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS did you always call that religoius dogma .
As you called me saying I KNOW I NEED CHRIST and without HIM i can do nothing .
ALl those years and you always came after that .
I know the WHY epi . SO
lets hear it epi . I have often told you to say this . SAY that one must FIRST BLEIEVE ON JESUS THE CHRIST
That no man can pick up his own cross without HAVING to FIRST had believed ON THIS JESUS THE CHRIST
the gospel of Christ . the one that states that if ye shall BELIEVE from the heart that GOD rose him from the dead
and shall confess him by mouth ye shall be saved .
You are doubling down outta fear you mig ht lose your followers .
I Know what inclusivisim teaches . AND I KNOW you have made it very clear you believe it .
What gets the flesh so riled up here is that I exhort believers to seek God's face. There is a tremendous defensive reaction followed by a carnally religious deflection that makes it look like I don't believe in FOUNDATIONAL things...that don't require the tremendously "odious" (for the flesh) idea of having to actually meet God.
So once the flesh is stirred up, the attacks begin, the lies, the dishonesty, and every other thing that one would suspect the flesh to do.
The issue is that there is massive unbelief from these that God could ever be found. They see a victorious walk as impossible..so they accuse me of not believing the basics...where all the unbelief can mask itself. Like those who failing high school run to a kinder-garden class and say they are resting on their foundation. But in reality they can't read or operate at any higher level than a novice. And the idea of going to the Principal terrorizes them. Even if the Principal in this case is God Himself. Expose them to light and they cringe.
So once the flesh is stirred up, the attacks begin, the lies, the dishonesty, and every other thing that one would suspect the flesh to do.
The issue is that there is massive unbelief from these that God could ever be found. They see a victorious walk as impossible..so they accuse me of not believing the basics...where all the unbelief can mask itself. Like those who failing high school run to a kinder-garden class and say they are resting on their foundation. But in reality they can't read or operate at any higher level than a novice. And the idea of going to the Principal terrorizes them. Even if the Principal in this case is God Himself. Expose them to light and they cringe.
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amigo de christo
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inclusivism teaches that sister . much like oprah wimphrey it implies a lie .
Even the faith they teach is off beat . They can use the same lingo
but upon exmaination of what they imply by it , ITS NOT THE SAME at all .
THEY believe that lie sister . The lie even pope franics a well known inclusvists taught .
Me thinks someone is trying to double down on the lingo in order to not lose his f ollowers .
Cause how come all those years when i agreed with EPI about false hyper grace as bein gfalse
AND YET SAID to him WE MUST FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS
did he continously call that religious dogma . NOW all of a sudden
HE wants to say this . I know exactly what incluvisim teaches . and sister as always
anything false will have truths in it , JUST NOT THE T RUTH . they can be very slick sister .
SO i would like to see epi
come out and say , HEY its all in vain , no man can pick up his cross , let alone be saved ,
LEST HE FIRST BELIEVES ON JESUS THE CHRIST , THE SON of GOD
the one true gospel that the apostels and later paul would tell us in romans .
GET HIM to say THAT . i
Amen. And now I understand why, thanks be to God. It's because of not having Christ in them.
You are missing what I blamed him for, going personal, a sin. A holiness preacher who revenged himself, sinned, and not seeing it ?
There is a problem.
Amen dear sister.
Your accusation is that anybody who seeks God's face does so because they don't have Christ in them? That's your excuse for not seeking God's face...as in...I don't have to go to God, I already am rich and in need of nothing.
What is truly rich is in your self-justification that only the pretenders here actually have Christ in them...because your sin is actually Jesus sinning...and His righteousness is actually yours IN your sin?
So unless we tow the devil's line in naming and claiming that our sins are not really sins at all (thus becoming greasy grace believers)...and that Jesus is ...in God's eyes...actually the one doing the sinning FOR US. Then we are somehow not having Christ in us...as a victim of our sin?
You can't get more twisted in your ideology than that. It is no wonder that you can't hear anything truthful when your standard is so unrighteous and unholy.
OK so you're not "outta here"? Or you are posting from somewhere beyond the here and now (hic et nunc)?
It's your excuse to denigrate me. How many times do I have to tell you that I'm not against holiness? If you ever get established on the right foundation first (AKA the gospel), then maybe we can talk.
Scripture says,."know ye not that we shall judge angels...?" And we are to judge those inside the church, not those outside.
But I know you have been speaking to me for some time out of resentment.
Your foundation is based on an unrighteous gospel from an unrighteous God...that you claim makes Jesus to be sin for us so that we become what Jesus is...while we sin. The old bait and switch. Without that errant ideology...you have nothing.
That is the great delusion that God is sending...to those who hate the truth. He allowed the bible to get mangled in a few places by translators who are just as dishonest as those who eat up the lies. Any HONEST comparative study of the bible will make the inaccurate verses to have no effect. A twisted soul is attracted and excited by a twisted error. Even in the face of hundreds of proofs that show otherwise.
God will judge the world in righteousness...not unrighteousness.
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MostlyConfused
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You got a feeling of people running away because you seem to demand to be allowed into peoples head and heart space and convince them to share that but then if they don’t agree with you on something or reflect yourself back to you, you attack them and want them banished to unorthodox or you say they are like a crocodile or you twist what they say. This behavior is the useless way of life we were taught by parents and society. YOU seek others out, YOU follow episkopos and hang out in his threads and almost nowhere else.
You got a feeling people were running away from you because they were. And they were because they saw through it. Now you accuse others who stop answering you because of these ill tactics of hiding in darkness when they stop answering because you think that will…what, make them feel guilty??
MostlyConfused
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I asked one question.........I am not at all in the habit of "demanding" answers. But that one seemed important to establish.
You're being a drama queen again. But I do wonder why the only people you try to "analyze" here are the people who have an issue with Epi.
It can't. Because if you go in without the right garment on you have to leave.
MostlyConfused
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No,and I really wish you would stop trying to tell people what they believe or claim. That is not what I believe or claim. He leads believers (those who have received Christ in them) out of sin.....out of Egypt. That is the starting point. And that is our testimony......but is it yours? But then as we go along we start to see that is about more than outward gross sin, it is about inner things and inadvertent small sins (little foxes that ruin the vineyard) as well. God starts setting the bar higher as we grow (like parents do with their children). The leaven has to be worked, kneaded, pounded and punched, until it is worked in and growning through the entire lump of dough.
I don't resent you but I think you are carrying your self perceived right to judge a bit too far. What happened to that hunger for holiness you said you came here for?
A person who seeks justification without God's approval will try to do the same with holiness. But holiness is only available to us through translation into the kingdom realm in Zion. And that will only happen when we seek God's face with the proper sacrifice...our entire souls.
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