Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[Grailhunter]

So on the numerous occasions when God slew rebellious, unfaithful, disobedient Israelites, they didn't go to hell?

Where did they go?

I have already explained that in post 574.
I will copy and paste here...
In Judaism, rewards and punishments occurred during their lifetime.
Hebrews/Israelites, Jews did/do not believe in Hell. Yahweh never threatened them with Hell.
According to Judaism all souls go to Sheol.

 

[Grailhunter]

The whole remnant idea is taught throughout the Hebrew text. It is seen in the intimacy described between God and His elect. It is witnessed in the personal exchanges between the Lord and His people. There has always been a faithful spiritual people, even before Abraham, Israel and the Jews. As the people of God became an organized community through Abraham, they were known by their outward profession, physical circumcision and godly living. This gave evidence of a saving knowledge of Yahweh God.

Like most truths, the revelation of God’s holy seed in history has been a gradual growing disclosure in Scripture. Piece by piece the jigsaw puzzle has been put together. We find the origin of it in the Garden of Eden. The LORD said in Genesis 3:15: “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

Firstly, who was the seed of the woman? Christ. He was God’s ultimate holy seed. What is more, God’s seed was singular, and never plural. It is founded, centered and fulfilled in Israel’s Savior. Right from the Garden, the promised seed was a redeeming Messiah. This was at the heart of the Gospel and the whole remnant seed development. He is the holy One of Israel. He is true Israel. He was the promised One. Jesus was indeed the “hope of Israel” – the only hope. He accomplished what national Israel could not do in the Old Testament. We should keep this in mind as we examine God’s remnant in Scripture.

Secondly, right from the start we can see that man either belonged to God or belonged to our arch-enemy the devil. There was no other option. One was either of God’s holy seed or Satan’s corrupt seed. God’s true elect people (both in the Old and New Testament) trace their antiquity to the outworking of God’s promise of salvation made at the beginning with Adam and Eve. The covenant God made later with Abraham was simply a confirmation and an enlargement of this original promise.

As you follow the righteous elect lineage from the beginning it is always depicted as a remnant people. Those who belong to this company are a holy seed who are considered the children of promise. The unsaved on the other hand are classified as those who are born naturally and are merely of the flesh. But those who are born of God are those who have been spiritually transformed through the work of the Spirit of God. These are the people of God. These are God’s chosen people.

We see the great dividing of the ways with the two sons of Adam and Eve, way before Abraham, and way before there was a nation of Israel. Cain was a child of the devil, and Abel was a child of God. Genesis 3:3 reveals the first record of false worship in Scripture, it says, “Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD” Cain’s sacrifice was outwardly impressive; it was a beautifully adorned offering. What is more, and significantly, it was made to Yahweh God, not the devil. However, it was not pleasing unto the Lord.

Genesis 3:15 has nothing to do with Yeshua.

Firstly, who was the seed of the woman? Christ. He was God’s ultimate holy seed. What is more, God’s seed was singular, and never plural. It is founded, centered and fulfilled in Israel’s Savior. Right from the Garden, the promised seed was a redeeming Messiah. This was at the heart of the Gospel and the whole remnant seed development. He is the holy One of Israel. He is true Israel. He was the promised One. Jesus was indeed the “hope of Israel” – the only hope. He accomplished what national Israel could not do in the Old Testament. We should keep this in mind as we examine God’s remnant in Scripture.

Yahweh never promised salvation and the word promise does not occur in the Old Testament.
Yeshua was not the hope of Israel. Israel was hoping for a human warlord king.
The phrase remnant seed does not occur in the scriptures.
Have you ever considered writing your own Bible.....Because you would like to have things in there that are not there.

As you follow the righteous elect lineage from the beginning it is always depicted as a remnant people. Those who belong to this company are a holy seed who are considered the children of promise. The unsaved on the other hand are classified as those who are born naturally and are merely of the flesh. But those who are born of God are those who have been spiritually transformed through the work of the Spirit of God. These are the people of God. These are God’s chosen people.

There are no saved people in the Old Testament.

 

[Grailhunter]

It is important to remember, God has always had a faithful people. Sadly, those who were of true Israel within ethnic Israel were often the minority, and sometimes a small minority. But God always had a remnant of true believers within the overall professing nation of Israel in the Old Testament. They were submitted to His plan, obedient unto His voice and consequently manifested His power and glory to a fallen world.

Old Testament Scripture makes various diverse allusions to this called out people amongst the Hebrew people. The Psalmist attests in Psalm 73:1, “Truly God is good to Israel, even to such as are of a clean heart.” God was only bound to those within the camp of Israel who were set apart as a sanctified people. He regarded only those who had renewed hearts as true Israelites. Isaiah 45:17 calls God’s true elect “Israel shall be saved in the LORD with an everlasting salvation.” Isaiah 49:6 describes the elect congregation as “the preserved of Israel.” Psalm 147:30, Isaiah 11:12 and 56:8 calls them “the outcasts of Israel.”

God had an active spiritual people in each generation in Israel throughout the Old Testament that knew their God and were committed to divine truth. They were a transformed community that were in holy communion with their Lord. Isaiah 65:9 confirms: “And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.”

Isaiah 10:20 authenticates this thought: “the remnant of Israel … shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.” Contrary, to what many Christians think, God’s favor was about more than racial pedigree in the Old Testament, it was instead about righteousness and truth. Isaiah 10:22 tells us: “though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.” Though many in the old covenant accepted the Gospel message, many more rejected it.

Dispensationalists often overlook (or dismiss) the closeness of the relationship that existed amongst God’s true elect in the old economy. There are countless examples of that in the Old Testament. Think about the words of the Moabite Ruth, which she said to Naomi in Ruth 1:16-18: “Intreat me not to leave thee, or to return from following after thee: for whither thou goest, I will go; and where thou lodgest, I will lodge: thy people shall be my people, and thy God my God: Where thou diest, will I die, and there will I be buried: the LORD do so to me, and more also, if ought but death part thee and me. When she saw that she was stedfastly minded to go with her, then she left speaking unto her.”

This shows us the depth of intimacy and the spiritual bond that existed during the old covenant. Another example was David and Jonathan. David testified in 2 Samuel 1:25-26 about his love for Jonathan: “How are the mighty fallen in the midst of the battle! O Jonathan, thou wast slain in thine high places. I am distressed for thee, my brother Jonathan: very pleasant hast thou been unto me: thy love to me was wonderful, passing the love of women.”

No one could surely deny the spiritual bond that existed between the true people of God in the Old Testament. These people were all part of true Israel, within natural Israel. They were the believing remnant. They were in union and communion with God and each other. They were the household of faith. They were the true children of Abraham.

A lot of Israelites before the cross, including the Pharisees 2000 years ago, wrongly imagined that favor with God automatically came through simply being the natural offspring of Abraham. Dispensationalists have unfortunately swallowed that same lie. But nothing could be further from the truth. Romans 4:13 instructs: “For the promise, that he should be the heir of the world, was not to Abraham, or to his seed, through the law, but through the righteousness of faith.”

Here we see that the blessing was not passed on through the Law or by natural means, as the Jews imagined, but rather came through a people of faith. These alone were the promised seed. Natural genetics, racial birth and family background never carried any merit with God.

Romans 4:16-18 continues: “Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace; to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed; not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham; who is the father of us all, (As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. Who against hope believed in hope, that he might become the father of many nations, according to that which was spoken, So shall thy seed be.”

This demolishes the Dispensational fallacy that God’s earthly people are the Hebrew people who foolishly put their confidence in keeping the Law. Clearly, it is the household of faith that are the promised seed. It is they alone who are God’s holy remnant.

Never said that were not devote Hebrews/Israelites/Jews. But if we go through the period of the kings we see a lot that worshipped other god...to.

 

[Grailhunter]

Psalm 118:14
The Lord is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

Psalm 118:15
The voice of rejoicing and salvation is in the tabernacles of the righteous: the right hand of the Lord doeth valiantly.

Psalm 118:21
I will praise thee: for thou hast heard me, and art become my salvation.

A fireman is your salvation if he rescues you from a fire.
The salvation this is talking about it physical salvation.

 

[Grailhunter]

Rom 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace
Rom 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.
Rom 11:7 Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded

There are 2 Israels here, there are two types of Israeli. Paul makes it abundantly clear: not all natural Israelis are God’s chosen people – His elect. There is only a faithful “remnant” who are. These alone are shown to be God’s children.

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”
9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!​

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as first fruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! Romans 11:1-24

It is good to keep it in context.

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[Grailhunter]

You are clearly incapable of addressing rebuttals or exegeting biblical arguments. You are way out of your depth here. Your error is in tatters.

I refer you back to every avoided argument that stands unchallenged.

So far your "argument" only exists in your head.

 

[Grailhunter]

For someone who claims to be a theologian, these responses are pitiful. They really are! You are so out of your depth. You have nothing meaningful to bring to the table. You are so ignorant of truth on this matter. I suspect that is why you are so evasive.

Your try to propose a belief that is not biblical and insultive as you go. I think I have show great patience considering your sad examples of a preposterous belief.

 

[Grailhunter]

It is a waste of time engaging with you. There is nothing of substance to address. You cannot string a cogent argument together. You cannot address a counter argument. You are wasting my time.

Ditto. I feel the same way about you.

 

[covenantee]

A fireman is your salvation if he rescues you from a fire.
The salvation this is talking about it physical salvation.

So you believe that the psalmist's salvation was exclusively physical, with no regard by God for his spiritual dimension, condition, and salvation.

Classic dispenbunk.

 

[Grailhunter]

So you believe that the psalmist's salvation was exclusively physical, with no regard by God for his spiritual dimension, condition, and salvation.

Classic dispenbunk.

Salvation was not possible until Yeshua passed on the cross.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.

 

[WPM]

Salvation was not possible until Yeshua passed on the cross.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.

So, there were no OT believers?

 

[WPM]

Salvation was not possible until Yeshua passed on the cross.
For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life.
And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.

Jonah 2:9 says, “Salvation is of the LORD.”

This short verse tells us that salvation is a divine operation. The believer is not the instigator. He is the recipient.

Psalm 3:8 tells us, “Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people.”

Christ is our salvation!

David testified in 2 Samuel 22:2-3, “The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.”

 

[Grailhunter]

So, there were no OT believers?

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Now this is a problem. How can you ask--->So there were no OT believers? In response to----> Salvation was not possible until Yeshua passed on the cross.
If this is how you read things you have no hope of understanding the scriptures. Get someone to read them to you and then explain them to you.

 

[Grailhunter]

Jonah 2:9 says, “Salvation is of the LORD.”

This short verse tells us that salvation is a divine operation. The believer is not the instigator. He is the recipient.

Psalm 3:8 tells us, “Salvation belongeth unto the LORD: thy blessing is upon thy people.”

Christ is our salvation!

David testified in 2 Samuel 22:2-3, “The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; The God of my rock; in him will I trust: he is my shield, and the horn of my salvation, my high tower, and my refuge, my saviour; thou savest me from violence.”

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[WPM]

Can you find in the Old Testament that Yeshua would bring about the end of the Mosaic Law in the 1st century?

The reality is: the shedding of His blood satisfied the Father and reconciled the sinner to God, securing eternal redemption (1 John 1:7). The Old Testament system that employed animal sacrifices was nailed to the cross and blotted out according to the New Testament.

Colossians 2:14 plainly and unambiguously declares, that Christ's atonement resulted in the “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

The Greek word for “Blotting out” here is exaleiphō (eks-ä-lā'-fō) meaning: ‘to wipe off, wipe away, to obliterate, erase, wipe out, blot out’

These old covenant ordinances (rites and rituals) pertaining to the ceremonial law were obliterated at the cross.

For those that still anticipate the renaissance of the old abolished ordinances we need to ask: When did (or will) the “blotting out the handwriting of ordinances” occur? From this passage it is clear, Christ “took it out of the way” by “nailing it to his cross.” These ordinances embraced the old covenant civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law. They were finished at the cross.

Colossians 2:16-17 tells us: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

The Greek word translated “holyday” here is heorte meaning feast or festival. Of 27 mentions of this word in the normally precise KJV, it is interpreted “feast” in all of them apart from here.

New American Standard interprets: “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

The Living Bible says, “So don't let anyone criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these were only temporary rules that ended when Christ came. They were only shadows of the real thing-of Christ himself.”

Paul is saying here that the old covenant feasts and festivals simply served as types and shadows of things that were to come. They looked forward to the new covenant arrangement and the reality and substance in Christ. The Jews of Ezekiel’s day and Zechariah’s day would never have understood this.

Colossians 2:20-22 finally sums up the sums up the biblical position today: “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”

This is not talking about the moral law, it is talking about the ceremonial law. It is a redundant system. Christ took the whole old system away. The old Mosaic ceremonial law is completely gone. It is useless.

Christianity took us away from the old Mosaic ceremonial law completely. Those who argue for a return to the old system fail to see that it has been rendered obsolete through the new covenant.

Hebrews 7:18-19 makes clear: “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”

This word “disannulling” is taken from the Greek word athetesis meaning cancellation.

The phrase “weakness and unprofitableness” used here to describe the old abolished system actually reads asthenes kai anopheles literally meaning: feeble and impotent useless and unprofitable.

It is hard to believe that Christians would promote the return, on the new earth of all places, of such a hopeless discarded arrangement.

 

[WPM]

Can you find in the Old Testament that Yeshua would bring about the end of the Mosaic Law in the 1st century?

God foreshadowed Christ’s atoning sacrifice on Calvary in Genesis 3:15. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the power sin over the penitent sinner. Jesus made a way of escape for us.

Psalms 22:12-18: “Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.”

At Calvary the guilt of our sins was transferred or imputed to Christ. Our penalty was laid upon Him. He was condemned on our behalf in order that we could be free.

Isaiah 53:3-7 says, “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

Isaiah 53:9-12 says, “And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

Daniel 9:24-26 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.”

Christ was made sin for us. He was the final sacrifice for sin. His offering eternally satisfied righteous God. And justice. His perfect sacrifice pleased God and rendered the old arrangement impotent and unnecessary.

Ezekiel 36:26-27: “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Ezekiel 37:26-28: “I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."

Jeremiah 31:31-34 says: “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Jeremiah 32:38-40: “And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.”

Zechariah 12:10 says, “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

 

[Grailhunter]

The reality is: the shedding of His blood satisfied the Father and reconciled the sinner to God, securing eternal redemption (1 John 1:7). The Old Testament system that employed animal sacrifices was nailed to the cross and blotted out according to the New Testament.

Colossians 2:14 plainly and unambiguously declares, that Christ's atonement resulted in the “Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.”

The Greek word for “Blotting out” here is exaleiphō (eks-ä-lā'-fō) meaning: ‘to wipe off, wipe away, to obliterate, erase, wipe out, blot out’

These old covenant ordinances (rites and rituals) pertaining to the ceremonial law were obliterated at the cross.

For those that still anticipate the renaissance of the old abolished ordinances we need to ask: When did (or will) the “blotting out the handwriting of ordinances” occur? From this passage it is clear, Christ “took it out of the way” by “nailing it to his cross.” These ordinances embraced the old covenant civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law. They were finished at the cross.

Colossians 2:16-17 tells us: “Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.”

The Greek word translated “holyday” here is heorte meaning feast or festival. Of 27 mentions of this word in the normally precise KJV, it is interpreted “feast” in all of them apart from here.

New American Standard interprets: “Therefore let no one act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day -- things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.”

The Living Bible says, “So don't let anyone criticize you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating Jewish holidays and feasts or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these were only temporary rules that ended when Christ came. They were only shadows of the real thing-of Christ himself.”

Paul is saying here that the old covenant feasts and festivals simply served as types and shadows of things that were to come. They looked forward to the new covenant arrangement and the reality and substance in Christ. The Jews of Ezekiel’s day and Zechariah’s day would never have understood this.

Colossians 2:20-22 finally sums up the sums up the biblical position today: “Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, (Touch not; taste not; handle not; Which all are to perish with the using) after the commandments and doctrines of men?”

This is not talking about the moral law, it is talking about the ceremonial law. It is a redundant system. Christ took the whole old system away. The old Mosaic ceremonial law is completely gone. It is useless.

Christianity took us away from the old Mosaic ceremonial law completely. Those who argue for a return to the old system fail to see that it has been rendered obsolete through the new covenant.

Hebrews 7:18-19 makes clear: “For there is verily a disannulling of the commandment going before for the weakness and unprofitableness thereof. For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.”

This word “disannulling” is taken from the Greek word athetesis meaning cancellation.

The phrase “weakness and unprofitableness” used here to describe the old abolished system actually reads asthenes kai anopheles literally meaning: feeble and impotent useless and unprofitable.

It is hard to believe that Christians would promote the return, on the new earth of all places, of such a hopeless discarded arrangement.

A lot of truths here.

 

[Grailhunter]

God foreshadowed Christ’s atoning sacrifice on Calvary in Genesis 3:15. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the power sin over the penitent sinner. Jesus made a way of escape for us.

Psalms 22:12-18: “Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.”

At Calvary the guilt of our sins was transferred or imputed to Christ. Our penalty was laid upon Him. He was condemned on our behalf in order that we could be free.

Isaiah 53:3-7 says, “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

Isaiah 53:9-12 says, “And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

Daniel 9:24-26 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.”

Christ was made sin for us. He was the final sacrifice for sin. His offering eternally satisfied righteous God. And justice. His perfect sacrifice pleased God and rendered the old arrangement impotent and unnecessary.

Ezekiel 36:26-27: “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Ezekiel 37:26-28: “I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."

Jeremiah 31:31-34 says: “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Jeremiah 32:38-40: “And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.”

Zechariah 12:10 says, “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

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Post 584

When faithful obedient Israelites entered into a spiritual covenant relationship with a Spiritual God, did He grant them a spiritual salvation which assured them of Heaven?

Or were they all dispirited dispensationalists with no spirits?

Explain how each salvation referenced in @WPM's post 592 is exclusively "physical salvation".

 

[WPM]

I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3 “Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”? 4 And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6 And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.

7 What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8 as it is written:

“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”
9 And David says:

“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10 May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[d]

11 Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12 But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!​

13 I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14 in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15 For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16 If the part of the dough offered as first fruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.

17 If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18 do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19 You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20 Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21 For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.

22 Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23 And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24 After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! Romans 11:1-24

It is good to keep it in context.

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What i gave you shows the elect are chosen. That is what you asked for. Rom 11:5 there is a remnant according to the election of grace