Biblical proof that we the New Testament Church are true Israel today

[Grailhunter]

When Jesus witnessed to one of Israel’s religious leaders in John 3 about being born again, he questioned “How can these things be?” (V9). Christ’s response shows that this was a reality that he should already have been aware of as a student of God’s Word. Jesus asked in verse 10: “Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?” Basically he was saying, ‘you should know what I am talking about’.

It does not imply that.

 

[WPM]

Anything but ignore your phrase elect remnant. I keep tell you that the phrase elect remnant is not in the scriptures.
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Was there a group of Jews in the 1st century that converted to Christianity? Yes.
Are there any remnant of Jews that do not believe in Jews that are saved? No.

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We must first enquire, what is this “good olive tree”?

From this reading, it is evident that this tree is a symbolic composition that was primarily (but not completely) restricted to the inhabitants (or a select number) of natural Israel in Old Testament times. This is seen in the wording of the passage, which unquestionably identifies “the natural branches” with the nation of natural Israel. Notwithstanding, by the nature of Paul’s teaching, the “good olive tree” (whatever it exactly relates to) has suffered the loss of its “the natural branches,” Romans 11:20 informs us that these branches have been “broken off” from the Olive tree. The Olive tree must represent Israel in some form; however, it cannot manifestly represent natural Israel. The reason being, natural citizenship never warranted salvation. Secondly, natural Israel today still remains natural Israel. Consequently, natural Israel has not or cannot be “cut out” or cease to be natural Israel. The physical nation of Israel, regardless of whatever spiritual state it assumes, will always be natural Israel.

Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?

 

[Grailhunter]

The Old Testament saints looked forward to the cross, we look back. They knew “by faith” that God had a final perfect sacrifice for sin. It was like a post-dated check. They were regenerated on the grounds of the certainty of the impending redemptive work of Messiah.

Again the Old Testament people knew nothing of the cross. And again, what would they have to look foreward to if they believed they would kill their Messiah.

 

[WPM]

It does not imply that.

Your doctrine is definitely on the ropes. You have nothing to biblically counter the truth with. All you have is avoidance and your one-liners private opinions.

 

[Grailhunter]

1 Corinthians 10:1 & 4 supports my contention, saying, “I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea ... And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.”

So they drank a spiritual rock, how does that support your contention?

 

[WPM]

Again the Old Testament people knew nothing of the cross. And again, what would they have to look foreward to if they believed they would kill their Messiah.

That is not true. I already showed you the evidence and you already avoided it. That is the pattern on this thread. You have nothing to counter the truth with.

God foreshadowed Christ’s atoning sacrifice on Calvary in Genesis 3:15. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”

The bruising of Satan’s head by Christ broke the power sin over the penitent sinner. Jesus made a way of escape for us.

Psalms 22:12-18: “Many bulls have compassed me: strong bulls of Bashan have beset me round. They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet. I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me. They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.”

At Calvary the guilt of our sins was transferred or imputed to Christ. Our penalty was laid upon Him. He was condemned on our behalf in order that we could be free.

Isaiah 53:3-7 says, “He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.”

Isaiah 53:9-12 says, “And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand. He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

Daniel 9:24-26 predicts, “Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to (1) finish the transgression, and to (2) make an end of sins, and to (3) make reconciliation for iniquity, and to (4) bring in everlasting righteousness, and to (5) seal up the vision and prophecy, and to (6) anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself.”

Christ was made sin for us. He was the final sacrifice for sin. His offering eternally satisfied righteous God. And justice. His perfect sacrifice pleased God and rendered the old arrangement impotent and unnecessary.

Ezekiel 36:26-27: “A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.”

Ezekiel 37:26-28: “I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore."

Jeremiah 31:31-34 says: “Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD: But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD; for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

Jeremiah 32:38-40: “And they shall be my people, and I will be their God: And I will give them one heart, and one way, that they may fear me for ever, for the good of them, and of their children after them: And I will make an everlasting covenant with them, that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; but I will put my fear in their hearts, that they shall not depart from me.”

Zechariah 12:10 says, “And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.”

 

[WPM]

So they drank a spiritual rock, how does that support your contention?

Who was the spiritual rock that they drank from?

 

[Grailhunter]

We can see the absolute unity that Scripture reveals between the people of God of all time

Of all time? No. Judaism and Christianity are two different religions with two different goals.

 

[Grailhunter]

Moses’ life was found in Christ by faith. All he was and all he would be would be found in the person and work of Christ.

Moses did not know or mention Yeshua.

 

[Behold]

Replacement Theology, which is......>"The NT Church" has replaced Israel, .......

Where did this false theology originate?

Reader have you ever noticed that when a heretic posts these long "cut and paste" epic Threads that try to prove that they are obsessed with something that is an utter lie.....and there are so many of this same "type" found using Christian Forums as their dumping ground......they never tell you where this Theolgoical Dung, began.
And that's because they dont know., and are not mentally equipped enough to realize they need to check the sources when they are diving "itching ears" deep into another false "doctrine of devils"... (KJV 13:9).
All they know is that they have become bewitched by some man's teaching, and now they want you to be deceived by it, as well.

Imagine that as a MINISTRY......(Episkopos for example) ..... as that is their Ministry.

So, in case you are curious........the "replacement theology" LIE that is being churned out like dead fish by this Thread's OP..........it originally began in the Mary Cult.

That's right........this is more Catholic Cult nonsense, created by some of their most unholy "chruch fathers" a very long time ago.
This particular false Theology......(Replacement Theology), is an early Mary Cult lie.
Its One of their biggest "whoppers"......and many fall for it, and the Devil will be so very happy if you will .
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[WPM]

Of all time? No. Judaism and Christianity are two different religions with two different goals.

The multiple Scriptures you have rejected on this thread nail that lie and expose your error. You have zero Scripture. You are fighting with God's Book. You have nothing. Dispensatanism is a lie from the devil.

 

[Grailhunter]

Hebrews 11 demonstrates this. Hebrews 11:1-3 says, “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.”

Verse 4 says, “By faith Abel …”

Verse 5 says, “By faith Enoch …”

Verse 7 says, “By faith Noah …”

Verse 8 “By faith Abraham …”

Verse 11 says, “Through faith also Sara …”

Verses 12-13 continues, “These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.”

Verse 20 says, “By faith Isaac …”

Verse 21 says, “By faith Jacob …”

Verse 22 says, “By faith Joseph …”

Hebrews 11:23-26 says, “By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter; Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season; esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.”

Moses’ life was found in Christ by faith. All he was and all he would be would be found in the person and work of Christ. His salvation was not in another or by another means. Every sacrifice that he and the people of God made prior to the cross was simply a signpost to Calvary and an imperfect type of that one all-sufficient sacrifice. Knox Chamblin submits: “Christ is the object of the law’s ceremonial dimension.” Scripture gradually and progressively unveils God’s single redemptive-historical plan for man.

Verse 31 says, “By faith the harlot Rahab …”

Verse 32-40 continues, “And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets: Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions, Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection: And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment: They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented; (Of whom the world was not worthy they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth. And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise. God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”

This shows us that the household of faith (to which we now belong) originates right back to the very beginning. In fact, even before Israel came about, God’s people were experiencing salvation by grace through faith. This proves that God has only ever had one redeemed people throughout time. God has not got 2 peoples – He has one. Those that love Jesus (whether Jew or Gentile, Old Testament or New Testament) are His; those that reject Jesus (whether Jew or Gentile, Old Testament or New Testament) are of their father the devil.

Again Mose did not know or think of Yeshua. Trying to mix Judaism with Christianity is a fool's folly.

 

[WPM]

Replacement Theology, which is......>"The NT Church" has replaced Israel, .......

Where did this false theology originate?

Reader have you ever noticed that when a heretic posts these long "cut and paste" epic Threads that try to prove that they are obsessed with something that is an utter lie.....and there are so many of this same "type" found using Christian Forums as their dumping ground......they never tell you where this Theolgoical Dung, began.
And that's because they dont know., and are not mentally equipped enough to realize they need to check the sources when they are diving "itching ears" deep into another false "doctrine of devils"... (KJV 13:9).
All they know is that they have become bewitched by some man's teaching, and now they want you to be deceived by it, as well.

Imagine that as a MINISTRY........... as that is their Ministry.

So, in case you are curious........the "replacement theology" LIE that is being churned out like dead fish by this Thread's OP..........it originally began in the Mary Cult.

That's right........this is more Catholic Cult nonsense, created by some of their most unholy "chruch fathers" a very long time ago.
This particular false Theology......(Replacement Theology), is an early Mary Cult lie.
Its One of their biggest "whoppers"......and many fall for it, and the Devil will be so very happy if you will .
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Instead of all the extra-biblical noise, who do you think we think we have replaced?

 

[WPM]

Again Mose did not know or think of Yeshua. Trying to mix Judaism with Christianity is a fool's folly.

The Scriptures expose your error. That is why you cannot address them. All you have is repeating what you have been wrongly taught.

 

[Grailhunter]

Is Isaiah 53 in your Bible?

If so, read it and explain how "The prophecies of the Old Testament did not tell of the sacrifice of the Messiah."

Ya someone was mistreated.
Does it mention the word Messiah?
Does it mention Yeshua's name?
Does it mention His death?
Does it mention His resurrection.

 

[WPM]

Ya someone was mistreated.
Does it mention the word Messiah?
Does it mention Yeshua's name?
Does it mention His death?
Does it mention His resurrection.

Talk about heresy!

 

[Grailhunter]

We have already refuted your claims weeks ago and you have already avoided them.

You have refuted nothing.
It would be pretty simple if the scriptures said what you believe.
The Jews believed in a human warlord king Messiah that would take out their oppressors.
Yahweh never offered them Heaven as a reward.
Yahweh never threatened them with Hell.

 

[WPM]

Again Mose did not know or think of Yeshua. Trying to mix Judaism with Christianity is a fool's folly.

You make God out to be a liar.

 

[WPM]

You have refuted nothing.
It would be pretty simple if the scriptures said what you believe.
The Jews believed in a human warlord king Messiah that would take out their oppressors.
Yahweh never offered them Heaven as a reward.
Yahweh never threatened them with Hell.

Apostate Israel did. Premils share the same faulty expectation today with their imaginary future millennial kingdom. True elect Israel in the OT looked to Christ. They embraced the Scriptures i presented and which you rejected. We are united to them by faith in Christ.

 

[Grailhunter]

We must first enquire, what is this “good olive tree”?

From this reading, it is evident that this tree is a symbolic composition that was primarily (but not completely) restricted to the inhabitants (or a select number) of natural Israel in Old Testament times. This is seen in the wording of the passage, which unquestionably identifies “the natural branches” with the nation of natural Israel. Notwithstanding, by the nature of Paul’s teaching, the “good olive tree” (whatever it exactly relates to) has suffered the loss of its “the natural branches,” Romans 11:20 informs us that these branches have been “broken off” from the Olive tree. The Olive tree must represent Israel in some form; however, it cannot manifestly represent natural Israel. The reason being, natural citizenship never warranted salvation. Secondly, natural Israel today still remains natural Israel. Consequently, natural Israel has not or cannot be “cut out” or cease to be natural Israel. The physical nation of Israel, regardless of whatever spiritual state it assumes, will always be natural Israel.

Who was God going to unite us to? Was it Christ-rejecting Jews in the Middle east or was it faithful remnant Israel?

The faithful remnant of Israel converted to Christianity.