Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[ewq1938]

Who are the foolish virgins?

The unprepared ones who went out in the darkness to buy? They are the Apostates of the great Apostasy, once Christians but they forsake Christ. The darkness is the tribulation and buying in (spiritual) darkness is what those with the mark do.

 

[JimKnox]

I guess we'll find out at the pre-trib rapture/resurrection event.

Midtrib.

 

[JimKnox]

The unprepared ones who went out in the darkness to buy? They are the Apostates of the great Apostasy, once Christians but they forsake Christ. The darkness is the tribulation and buying in (spiritual) darkness is what those with the mark do.

Virgins do not represent unbelievers.
Nor do they represent apostate.

 

[ewq1938]

Virgins do not represent unbelievers.
Nor do they represent apostate.

They started as believers but did some things wrong and were rejected by Jesus. They are the ones who "fall away" before the man of sin is revealed etc.

Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.

 

[The Light]

They are professing believers. Five are genuine and five are not. Therefore five are ready and five are not.

Who are more likely to be ready? Those watching as instructed as He comes in an hour that we think not, or those that think that the Church goes through the tribulation and the wrath of God.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Im spot on.

Spot on that the AC is a cross section of Earth's population?
Am I understanding you to actually mean that?

 

[rebuilder 454]

The unprepared ones who went out in the darkness to buy? They are the Apostates of the great Apostasy, once Christians but they forsake Christ. The darkness is the tribulation and buying in (spiritual) darkness is what those with the mark do.

They were waiting for Jesus, had oil and light, and were virgins.
"Virgins"= undefined and pure, and set apart.
Virtually impossible for such label as "forsaking Christ".

 

[WPM]

Spiritually huh? Is this spiritually also?

Ezekiel 4
6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.


I have already started. Now answer mine please.

Who are the foolish virgins?

Can you answer those other questions that i have been asking and you have been avoiding for 12 months?

Who are more likely to be ready? Those watching as instructed as He comes in an hour that we think not, or those that think that the Church goes through the tribulation and the wrath of God.

It is nothing to do with the timing of tribulation or the wrath of God. Genuine Christians are looking for the Lord's return, phonies are not.

 

[WPM]

Virgins do not represent unbelievers.
Nor do they represent apostate.

LOL. It is a parable. It is an earthly story representing spiritual truth. They are not spiritual virgins. They are natural virgins in the story. It is not the oil of the Holy Spirit. It is natural oil. But it has a spiritual meaning.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

 

[WPM]

Who are more likely to be ready? Those watching as instructed as He comes in an hour that we think not, or those that think that the Church goes through the tribulation and the wrath of God.

1. Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
2. Is Revelation 19 your 3rd rapture?
3. Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?
4. Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"?
5. Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
6. Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
7. Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
8. Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
9. Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
10. Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
11. Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
12. Show us any Scripture that teaches there are "two" future "raptures"?
13. Where in the Bible does it teach that "the fig tree having two harvests are referring to two raptures”?
14. Where in the Scriptures does it teach that “the two folds of sheep are referring to two raptures”?
15. Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?
16. Show us any Scripture that teaches "the Church is removed before the great tribulation, which is the time of testing"?
17. Show us any Scripture that teaches there is a "one-year wrath of God"?

 

[Earburner]

I disagree.

The way Jesus ascended is NOTHING like the way He will return and set His feet on the Mt. of Olives.
If you can point out any similarity between Jesus ascension and return at the Mount of Olives....please do.
Don't forget the white horses.

Alot of Christians misunderstand the book of Zechariah in association with the first manifestation of Jesus. When Jesus began His ministry, He and the discipes literally slept in the mount of Olives virtually every night. So yes, his feet were all over that place. But in the day time, He was in the Temple of Jerusalem and walking about the areas in and around Jerusalem. But at night, he and his feet were in the Mt. of Olives
resting. Zech. 14:4
You all do understand that the two mountains are symbolic and caused by the division (cleaving) between the Two houses of Judah and Israel, correct?
And the valley between them is Jesus, right?
Yeah, they are to flee to the valley and put their faith in Jesus. By his "living waters", it's the only way that they will ever find the peace from God and between themselves.

 

[Truth7t7]

while elsewhere in the same verse it clearly says "in heaven."

No place in the scripture below does it state "In Heaven" as you falsely claim

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[ScottA]

No place in the scripture below does it state "In Heaven" as you falsely claim

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Would you like prayer for healing?

 

[The Light]

Can you answer those other questions that i have been asking and you have been avoiding for 12 months?

It is nothing to do with the timing of tribulation or the wrath of God. Genuine Christians are looking for the Lord's return, phonies are not.

You can't act civil for 2 seconds. Many of these so called questions have already been answered and yet you leave them on your *yawn* list.

I have told you many times, I am not going to address a list of BS particularly since many of them have already been addressed and yet you deny you have been answered and leave them on your list. Deny, deny, deny. It's all you got.

I told you I would be happy to address any question that you have...........ONE QUESTION AT A TIME.

Since you keep asking the same crap most of which has been addressed, I don't have time for your nonsense. I'm done with you.

You said,

1. Show us any Scripture that teaches there is a "one-year wrath of God"?

I did and you still can't deal with the truth.

You follow a fallen doctrine birthed by unbelieving men that did not believe that God would keep His promise to Israel. Well guess what, God kept His promise and the nation of Israel has been reborn in a day.

 

[WPM]

You can't act civil for 2 seconds. Many of these so called questions have already been answered and yet you leave them on your *yawn* list.

I have told you many times, I am not going to address a list of BS particularly since many of them have already been addressed and yet you deny you have been answered and leave them on your list. Deny, deny, deny. It's all you got.

I told you I would be happy to address any question that you have...........ONE QUESTION AT A TIME.

Since you keep asking the same crap most of which has been addressed, I don't have time for your nonsense. I'm done with you.

You said,

1. Show us any Scripture that teaches there is a "one-year wrath of God"?

I did and you still can't deal with the truth.

You follow a fallen doctrine birthed by unbelieving men that did not believe that God would keep His promise to Israel. Well guess what, God kept His promise and the nation of Israel has been reborn in a day.

If you are telling the truth, give the reader the links. The reality is: they do not exist. There are no links!!! Avoidance is your MO. That is because you cannot support any of your false claims. They are totally unbiblical.

The fact that you can state such without feeling convicted is telling.

 

[The Light]

If you are telling the truth, give the reader the links. The reality is: they do not exist. There are no links!!! Avoidance is your MO. That is because you cannot support any of your false claims. They are totally unbiblical.

The fact that you can state such without feeling convicted is telling.

LOL. Not going to look them all up.

The best part is you had to change many to ............Show us in the NEW TESTAMENT. That's because the answers are in the Old Testament.

We have different Fathers, that much was obvious when you were caught changing scripture to protect your fallen doctrine. You value a fallen doctrine over truth. FACT.

 

[ewq1938]

Alot of Christians misunderstand the book of Zechariah in association with the first manifestation of Jesus. When Jesus began His ministry, He and the discipes literally slept in the mount of Olives virtually every night. So yes, his feet were all over that place. But in the day time, He was in the Temple of Jerusalem and walking about the areas in and around Jerusalem. But at night, he and his feet were in the Mt. of Olives
resting. Zech. 14:4

That's not what it says though.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Not something that happened back then.


Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Not something that happened back then.




Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That didn't happen either. Walking and sleeping on a mountain does not cleave it in half with a very great valley in trh middle that was not ther before.

 

[WPM]

LOL. Not going to look them all up.

The best part is you had to change many to ............Show us in the NEW TESTAMENT. That's because the answers are in the Old Testament.

We have different Fathers, that much was obvious when you were caught changing scripture to protect your fallen doctrine. You value a fallen doctrine over truth. FACT.

LOL. The exact response I expected! The exact response you get every time Pretribbers are caught on.

Sadly, you are not convicted. That is the most concerning thing about engaging with Pretribbers. Your failure to show where you answered these questions reinforces the Posttrib thesis here. You have nothing! You cannot biblically support your error! That is because Pretrib is a Jesuit invention foisted upon Protestantism.

1. Where is your Pretrib rapture in Revelation?
2. Is Revelation 19 your 3rd rapture?
3. Where is your tribulation period following Matthew 24:44 (or any other rapture passage)?
4. Show us one Scripture that teaches that "the feasts of God are a picture of the end times"?
5. Show me New Testament Scripture that teaches that “there are two harvests? The grain harvest and the fruit harvest”?
6. Where is "the grain harvest" mentioned in the New Testament?
7. Where is "the fruit harvest " mentioned in the New Testament?
8. Where is "the barley harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
9. Where is "the wheat harvest" that you have previously invented and foisted on Scripture mentioned in the New Testament?
10. Where is all this jargon about "on the Feast of Trumpets, the fall harvest feast" in the New Testament text or in any rapture passage?
11. Where in the New Testament does it say “there are two raptures – grain and fruit”?
12. Show us any Scripture that teaches there are "two" future "raptures"?
13. Where in the Bible does it teach that "the fig tree having two harvests are referring to two raptures”?
14. Where in the Scriptures does it teach that “the two folds of sheep are referring to two raptures”?
15. Where does it say anywhere in Scripture that “Noah is a picture of the Pretrib rapture” and “Lot is a picture of the Jewish harvest”?
16. Show us any Scripture that teaches "the Church is removed before the great tribulation, which is the time of testing"?
17. Show us any Scripture that teaches there is a "one-year wrath of God"?

 

[WPM]

LOL. Not going to look them all up.

The best part is you had to change many to ............Show us in the NEW TESTAMENT. That's because the answers are in the Old Testament.

We have different Fathers, that much was obvious when you were caught changing scripture to protect your fallen doctrine. You value a fallen doctrine over truth. FACT.

Truth matters! So, let's call this avoidance out and your refusal to address these questions. Let us start with the below. The reader can immediately see here that you totally avoided it:

It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

Show me where it indicates that the 144,000 have immortal bodies before the return of Christ (the third coming of Christ in your view, I guess). . Sure. No problem. The 144,000 are redeemed from the earth Revelation 14 3 And they sung as it were a new song before the throne, and before the...

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It is time to give Pretrib a decent burial

Pretty hard to wiggle out of the facts. Noah gathered preflood/ pretrib. Normal life and commerce at that gathering. Noah RETURNS to earth FROM THE HEAVENS. Just omit it. ...as you continue to do. Are you actually aware that you need Noah and Lot removed post trib/ post judgement?? What is...

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[Truth7t7]

Would you like prayer for healing?

Diversion away from a direct answer regarding your false claim "In Heaven", yes before the forum watching

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