Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[Truth7t7]

Ok.
Evade my example.
Good job.
Twist it to fit!!!!!!


( there is not a married woman on the planet outside some perverted Muslim radicals that does not know another male).

But you need everything twisted huh?

The subject is "Male Friends" in a Christian Marriage not knowg f another male as you back peddle, I responded to your opinion head on, no twisting the subject whatsoever

My Christian wife doesn't have "Male Friends" not to my knowledge, there's no place for outside males in a Christian marriage

The Men have their communications and circles within the church and family, the women have the same

 

[rebuilder 454]

Yes, your in a sad state. Amills are not twisting, they are studying to show themselves approved unto God, as should all do.

Says the man that refuses to answer my question.
Instead I get a multi paragraph diversion.

Evade twist, ...repeat.
Sad

 

[Truth7t7]

No.
Sadly...you need a mirror.
Again....cursing your brother in christ.

See, that reveals red flags in you.
You seem to be at a point now where every time you address me, you show hate.
It is as if you CAN NOT be civil.

I dont see hate as you claim, I see a Christian responding to you head on and your melting in diversion trying to create a bad guy because your in a corner of presented truth

 

[rebuilder 454]

The subject is "Male Friends" in a Christian Marriage not knowg f another male as you back peddle, I responded to your opinion head on, no twisting the subject whatsoever

My Christian wife doesn't have "Male Friends" not to my knowledge, there's no place for outside males in a Christian marriage

The Men have their communications and circles within the church and family, the women have the same

Lol
The argument is Intimate vs friends.

But I know...I know...you can not go there as you have twisted it and have no desire to go there.

But you learned something.
Mary was not framed as not having any male acquaintances/ friends.

Twist that.

 

[Scott Downey]

Says the man that refuses to answer my question.
Instead I get a multi paragraph diversion.

Evade twist, ...repeat.
Sad

People are often their own enemy.
If you're feeling cursed, it is not coming from me.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I dont see hate as you claim, I see a Christian responding to you head on and your melting in diversion trying to create a bad guy because your in a corner of presented truth

Ok.
Depends on what side of the ugly stick you are on.
I don't have time to go back and post his hateful posts./ accusations.
* depraved mind
* sad state
*etc



Twist it.
Twist it good for us

 

[ScottA]

Jesus says the opposite, they see Him coming, even them that are dead witness His return, then they are consumed by fire as they are not worthy to inherit the earth in that age to come. His return is a mournful time for the unsaved people of the world. How can the tribes mourn Him coming again if they don't see it? Think on that.

Matthew 26
63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest answered and said to Him, “I put You under oath by the living God: Tell us if You are the Christ, the Son of God!”

64 Jesus said to him, “It is as you said. Nevertheless, I say to you, hereafter you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Power, and coming on the clouds of heaven.”

65 Then the high priest tore his clothes, saying, “He has spoken blasphemy! What further need do we have of witnesses? Look, now you have heard His blasphemy!

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Revelation 1:7
Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.

Sorry, I'm traveling and limited by my phone. I should have said the unbelieving world won't see Him coming IN THIS WORLD OR ON THIS EARTH.

 

[rebuilder 454]

People are often their own enemy.
If you're feeling cursed, it is not coming from me.

^^^^^^^^^look at this garbage^^^^^^^^
I NEVER SAID OR INDICATED ANY SUCH THING.
SMH
Another cunning jab.
Who is the ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN.


Yeah you never typed it did you?
Sad

I never feel cursed.
I am favored of God.
I am of his Family
I see you as a brother.
Sad you see me as pond scum.
Very sad.
You need some time with Jesus.



Twist it.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What is that evil spirit in these amils????
It is disgusting.
Nothing of heaven.
Pure evil.

 

[Truth7t7]

Lol
The argument is Intimate vs friends.

But I know...I know...you can not go there as you have twisted it and have no desire to go there.

But you learned something.
Mary was not framed as not having any male acquaintances/ friends.

Twist that.

Mary isn't mentioned as having male friends

We live in the 21st century, it's only been roughly in the past 125 years that unsaved women have pushed to be in the town square, let alone Christian women that are taking care of the home and their husband's

A Christian woman has no place or part in having "Male Friends" in a Christian Marriage, it's that simple

 

[Truth7t7]

Sorry, I'm traveling and limited by my phone. I should have said the unbelieving world won't see Him coming IN THIS WORLD OR ON THIS EARTH.

Possibly That's because you deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens that's seen below

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[Earburner]

That's not what it says though.

Zec 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

Not something that happened back then.


Zec 14:3 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

Not something that happened back then.




Zec 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

That didn't happen either. Walking and sleeping on a mountain does not cleave it in half with a very great valley in trh middle that was not ther before.

Unfortunately you are attempting to read Zechariah (as well as all prophetic books) chronologically and verbatim. Isa. 55:8-9.

In my post 271, I revealed how we are to understand that Jesus has three manifestations in the world, of which none of the prophets could sort it out as to WHEN the manifestations of Jesus would come to pass, and what exactly would be fulfilled in them.

1. In His mortal flesh- past
2. By His Holy Spirit- present
3. In the Glory of His Eternal lmmortality- future.

However, today we who are born again have God's Holy Spirit, and as a result, He will teach us to know the things that He has freely given for us to know, and not that which is fabricated by "the wisdom of (religious) men".

For example, in Zechariah, take up on Jesus' own words: "Search the scriptures....they testify of me". When you do that (search/look for Jesus), the Holy Spirit will show to you the three manifestations of Christ, thus revealing in Zechariah the prophecies that are fulfilled, that are still being fulfilled, and those that shall be fulfilled.
Some prophecies that are past or in progress, may only be revealed by a word or two.

 

[ScottA]

Matthew 24:30
Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

This is key. Where all this takes place is "in heaven."

"On the clouds [of heaven], speaks of their/our leaving this world/earth and entering the heavenly realm...just as Jesus did when He ascended. Which then speaks of what those who were looking on saw, as the way He would return--not in the flesh, but in heaven. Which God did only showing the worldly portion that men could actually see. So the "like manner" of Jesus's return, is "in the clouds of heaven"...as it is written, although not commonly believed.

 

[ScottA]

Possibly That's because you deny a future literal, visible, second coming of Jesus in the heavens that's seen below

Matthew 24:30KJV
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Read the text post and my explanation.

 

[CrowCross]

The stars fall from heaven in both verses. That should sew it up. How many times do the stars fall from heaven. Just once, and that occurs because there is war in heaven during the great tribulation.

You cannot begin to understand Revelation until you understand that the second coming occurs at the 6th seal.

Are there any white horses in these verses? No
Is anything about Armageddon in these verses? No.

These verses are a harvest that will occur prior to the opening of the 7th seal wrath of God. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

What do you do with the rest of Revelation?

Will the sun be shining during Rev 8 or Rev 13...considering the sixth seal happens prior to those events?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Mary isn't mentioned as having male friends

We live in the 21st century, it's only been roughly in the past 125 years that unsaved women have pushed to be in the town square, let alone Christian women that are taking care of the home and their husband's

A Christian woman has no place or part in having "Male Friends" in a Christian Marriage, it's that simple

Lol.
Let's just assume she didn't have any and the scriptures are one huge misspeak.

But thanks for overlooking my "huge glaring personal deficiencies", regularly pointed out by your colleagues, and the courtesy normal humans SHOULD exhibit.


Amazing we do actually have one amil able to engage in restrained courtesy

 

[Scott Downey]

This is key. Where all this takes place is "in heaven."

"On the clouds [of heaven], speaks of their/our leaving this world/earth and entering the heavenly realm...just as Jesus did when He ascended. Which then speaks of what those who were looking on saw, as the way He would return--not in the flesh, but in heaven. Which God did only showing the worldly portion that men could actually see. So the "like manner" of Jesus's return, is "in the clouds of heaven"...as it is written, although not commonly believed.

Even with your understanding every eye sees Him coming, and the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God, they will be destroyed.

It tells us He comes again a second time, Christ is coming back in like manner, first taken up in a cloud and then second time, descending in a cloud.

 

[JimKnox]

It is a parable. It is an earthly story representing spiritual truth. They are not spiritual virgins. They are natural virgins in the story. It is not the oil of the Holy Spirit. It is natural oil. But it has a spiritual meaning.

The parable of the virgins actually agrees totally with the climactic nature of the coming of Christ. Men are either caught up or caught on. Being ready means rescue, being locked outside means destruction. Interpreting Scripture with Scripture would assist you here. As in Noah’s day, “the door was shut” – the day of opportunity was final closed – and those left outside were totally destroyed.

The solemn side of this parable is the awful plight of the five foolish virgins who had no oil in their lamps. Like the wicked that were left in Noah’s day, the religious will cry when it is too late: “Lord, Lord, open to us.” The only problem is it is too late. The solemn cry will come from the Master, “Verily I say unto you, I know you not” (vv 11-12). This is exactly what Jesus says to the wicked at the final judgment. He isn't saying: ‘welcome to a 7 year tribulation period’ or ‘welcome to the Premil millennium for another chance’. Sadly, they are damned and doomed for all eternity.

In this parable, Jesus rejects the unprepared virgins. In Pretrib theology it does not have Jesus finally shutting the door (as He taught), but, rather, leaving it ajar. It gives the foolish virgins a second chance to make it, despite them being unprepared and despite them having rejected numerous opportunities before He comes they miss the boat.

This passage is basically a call for preparedness for Christ’s coming. It is nothing to do with percentages. Many parables are like that. It is to do with believers and unbelievers. It is describing those that are ready and those that are not. The enlightened will get the thrust. Whether theologians want to apply this to the visible church or to all mankind makes little difference. That is not worth fighting over. It is the overall trust that Christ is pressing up - be prepared.

Obviously, those left behind are unbelievers! Whether they are religious unbelievers, false professors within the visible church, or out-and-out heathens, is secondary. They simply do not belong to Jesus. They are lost. They miss the boat! Their day of opportunity is gone. All they have now is destruction. They are damned and doomed to a lost eternity.

Yeah, that's the popular pretrib view.

 

[JimKnox]

I see the trib beginning when the antichrist is revealed after the restrainer is removed.

That's the way I see it. But the 'removal' is AFTER rather than BEFORE as you stated.
He is revealed and THEN we go up.

 

[CrowCross]

That's the way I see it. But the 'removal' is AFTER rather than BEFORE as you stated.
He is revealed and THEN we go up.

Where's that verse?