Flat Earth Theory

[doctrox]

Gleason drew his FLAT EARTH map b4 computers existed
Gee, I wonder where the EDGES are on his map ?
That's a hard one
Ah, PERIMETER

You don't know WHAT "the EDGES of a FLAT earth are" or WHERE "the EDGES of a FLAT earth are."

 

[David in NJ]

The EDGES of a FLAT earth are perpetually frozen because its :-
"""far away from the moving spotlight sun that circles overhead at a low angle"""

Peter, let's think the Way of Truth = Is it safe to trust men who:

a.) are void of the Truth
b.) believing we are on a water ball that spins 1,000mph in all directions
c.) worship the Darkness = John 3:19-20
d.) use blue & green screen technology to make astro-nots float in space
e.) use CGI to create a globe earth and claim it's actual
f.) scrub the internet of actual video that show a fly on the outside of the helmet of the astro-not while outside the space station
g.) scrub the internet of video showing air bubbles leaking thru the astro-nots helmet while outside the space station
h.) NASA has a huge pool with green screen technology with a submerged space station = see point (g) above
i.) and many other evidences they scrubbed from the internet
j.) WHY the scrubbing of the internet??? = TRUTH causes damage to the psyops and the masses CANNOT be allowed to SEE & THINK

Let us follow the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE who Said: "Thy word is Truth - Sanctify them in the Truth"

Good Night

 

[PeterAndroz]

Maybe docox can supply a map & show where the edges are ?
Take your time ox, no rush :)

 

[David in NJ]

Maybe docox can supply a map & show where the edges are ?
Take your time ox, no rush :)

Here is something to consider

The Artemis Lie.

Video and written proof of the demonic deception of space travel.

theamericanclassroom.substack.com

@TLHKAJ @doctrox @amigo de christo @Armour of God @David Lamb @IndianaRob

 

[David in NJ]

Psa 16:8 — "I have set the LORD always before me: because he is at my right hand, I shall not be moved."

Does that verse mean David's body was bound in place?

David's spirit was bound in the Place of the Spirit of Christ = FIXED Position = "I shall not be moved"

Interestingly, God says the earth does not move either!

 

[IndianaRob]

Because you have to take all of scripture as a whole, brother. Scripture interprets scripture. When taken together with all the other scriptures about how God created the earth ....the sun and moon standing still, the earth having foundations, and a firmament above it like a tent to dwell in ...the lights that are set inside the firmament that have circuits ...and so many more ...it paints a whole picture. We all know that one word can have various meanings and applications. But when taken as a whole, one can see what is meant.

Scripture interprets Scripture means clear passages help you understand unclear ones. It doesn't mean you take a verse about the sun's circuit and use it to decide whether "four corners" is literal.

Those verses aren't about the same thing. Whether "four corners" is a figure of speech is settled by the context it sits in and the context in this case doesn’t answer it.

 

[doctrox]

Interestingly, God says the earth does not move either!

Indeed. Here are but a few proofs:

1 Chr. 16:30
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psa. 33:9
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Psa. 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psa. 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psa. 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Psa. 119:89-90
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Isa. 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa. 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Zec. 1:11
And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.

2 Pet. 3:5
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Scripture interprets Scripture ...

Indeed, so where is yours?

 

[Justified]

Did you see /read post 2,672 ???

No. But now that I have, what is it that you want me to understand? The use of "ball"? Is it even possible to throw a circle, which is either a one- or two-dimensional object? Balls get thrown, not circles.

Not to mention you're falsely using a metaphor to try and prove that something said in poetry cannot mean other than what is said, that is, you're ignoring the language of poetry while arguing to a metaphor in a genre that isn't poetry. These are serious errors in failing to properly understand how to interpret Scripture.

Do you believe that GOD/WORD-JESUS/HOLY SPIRIT Created the Heavens and the earth?

Of course. What kind of a silly question is that?

FYI - i DO NOT believe the earth is a "flat disc"

GOD Says the earth is so DEEP that man could NEVER find its Foundations = Jeremiah 31:37
That makes the shape of the earth UNKNOWN to man.
It also makes the earth perhaps thousands or even hundreds of thousands MILES DEEP.

From Genesis to the Gospel, the earth is described as being a planar surface where mankind dwells = on top.

This is equivocating and contradicting your understanding of the Bible.

Is just the surface flat? Is a circle flat or is it not? A circle is a two dimensional object when you include the area.

If the earth is "perhaps thousands or even hundreds of thousands MILES DEEP," then your entire argument that the earth is a "flat disc" completely crumbles. You are wanting to add a third dimension to a "flat earth" while ignoring the (supposed) biblical definition that it is a circle, as well as ignoring science that tells us it's a three-dimensional object.

 

[David in NJ]

Scripture interprets Scripture means clear passages help you understand unclear ones. It doesn't mean you take a verse about the sun's circuit and use it to decide whether "four corners" is literal.

Those verses aren't about the same thing. Whether "four corners" is a figure of speech is settled by the context it sits in and the context in this case doesn’t answer it.

What is the context of Matthew 24: 29-31 ???

29“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

 

[David in NJ]

No. But now that I have, what is it that you want me to understand? The use of "ball"? Is it even possible to throw a circle, which is either a one- or two-dimensional object? Balls get thrown, not circles.

Not to mention you're falsely using a metaphor to try and prove that something said in poetry cannot mean other than what is said, that is, you're ignoring the language of poetry while arguing to a metaphor in a genre that isn't poetry. These are serious errors in failing to properly understand how to interpret Scripture.


Of course. What kind of a silly question is that?


This is equivocating and contradicting your understanding of the Bible.

Is just the surface flat? Is a circle flat or is it not? A circle is a two dimensional object when you include the area.

If the earth is "perhaps thousands or even hundreds of thousands MILES DEEP," then your entire argument that the earth is a "flat disc" completely crumbles. You are wanting to add a third dimension to a "flat earth" while ignoring the (supposed) biblical definition that it is a circle, as well as ignoring science that tells us it's a three-dimensional object.

Hello and Thank You

i will GLADLY answer your questions later as we sitting down for dinner.

In the meantime - would you please examine this = The Artemis Lie.

 

[doctrox]

These are serious errors in failing to properly understand how to interpret Scripture.

What scriptures? The onus is on you to post those scriptures.

 

[doctrox]

In the meantime - would you please examine this = The Artemis Lie.

I'm having a look at the info on your link. Right off the bat, I had a good laugh at the exposed trickery and the subsequent gaslit attempt at damage control:

"Look at this photo below. This is of the Artemis “astronauts” in their studio during their so-called flight after their so-called launch. This was put on social media by people behind the scenes. Even ChatGPT says this photo is real."

 

[TLHKAJ]

Scripture interprets Scripture means clear passages help you understand unclear ones. It doesn't mean you take a verse about the sun's circuit and use it to decide whether "four corners" is literal.

Brother, please don't let this make you bitter toward me. We aren't enemies. I didn't say a thing about taking one scripture out of context apart from other supporting scriptures. Somehow, you must have misread what I said.

 

[Justified]

According to NASA/globalists:
a.) Sun is 93,000,000 miles from the earth
b.) Moon is 238,855 miles from the earth

You believe you can see 238,855 miles away???

REALLY? = see 93 MILLION MILES away???


WAKE UP precious Saints = you been lied too

Under the firmament and generally,
Altitude: Around 3,000 (or less) miles high, moving in a circular path above the plane.
Diameter: Around 30 to 32 miles wide.
Behavior: Operates like a directional lamp to illuminate only specific sections of the world at a time, creating day and night through its movement.

So-called man's science vs. God. Those who pray, discern. Those who do not pray, do not discern.

Looking at the two above posts, the second proves the first one is false.

1. "According to NASA/globalists," the "Sun is 93,000,000 miles from earth" and the "Moon is 238,855 miles from the earth." According to the same, the sun is also about 864,600 miles in diameter and the moon 2,159 miles.

1a) 864,600 / 93,000,000 = 0.0093
1b) 2,159 / 238,855 = 0.009

2. According to doctrox, and presumably other flat-earthers, the sun is about 3,000 miles above the earth and about 30 miles in diameter.

2a) 30 / 3,000 = 0.01

Another way to look at it, is that the (supposed) distance from earth to sun of 3,000 miles is 0.0032% that of what science tells us (93,000,000 miles). The diameter of the flat-earth sun is 0.0035% that of the actual sun (0.0037% if we use 32 miles).

So, when we consider the relative sizes and distances, they're more or less equal; the differences are negligible. In other words, if we can see the flat-earth sun, we can see the actual sun. That means that any claim that those who believe science have "been lied to," would also apply to flat-earthers.

 

[TLHKAJ]

That means that any claim that those who believe science have "been lied to," would also apply to flat-earthers.

So what you're saying is that when given a choice, you'd rather believe NASA over God's Word.

 

[Justified]

What scriptures? The onus is on you to post those scriptures.

No, it isn't. It's the ones that have been provided that supposedly state the earth is flat and stationary. That is, after all, what the discussion is about. But, since you asked, here are some of them:

Here are but a few proofs:

1 Chr. 16:30
Fear before him, all the earth: the world also shall be stable, that it be not moved.

Psa. 33:9
For he spake, and it was done; he commanded, and it stood fast.

Psa. 93:1
The LORD reigneth, he is clothed with majesty; the LORD is clothed with strength, wherewith he hath girded himself: the world also is stablished, that it cannot be moved.

Psa. 96:10
Say among the heathen that the LORD reigneth: the world also shall be established that it shall not be moved: he shall judge the people righteously.

Psa. 104:5
Who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed for ever.

Psa. 119:89-90
LAMED. For ever, O LORD, thy word is settled in heaven. Thy faithfulness is unto all generations: thou hast established the earth, and it abideth.

Isa. 14:7
The whole earth is at rest, and is quiet: they break forth into singing.

Isa. 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.

Zec. 1:11
And they answered the angel of the LORD that stood among the myrtle trees, and said, We have walked to and fro through the earth, and, behold, all the earth sitteth still, and is at rest.


It's a failure to understand how to interpret and understand different genres and figures of speech (except for when it's convenient to the flat-earth position, of course).

 

[Justified]

So what you're saying is that when given a choice, you'd rather believe NASA over God's Word.

That's a false dichotomy, an error in reasoning on your part. As I have posted, your personal interpretation of the Bible is a failure to properly interpret and understand different genres and figures of speech, except for when it's convenient for your position.

I believe the Bible and NASA, because God himself says:

Psa 19:1 To the choirmaster. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God, and the sky above proclaims his handiwork.
Psa 19:2 Day to day pours out speech, and night to night reveals knowledge.

Rom 1:20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Modern science largely began because of believers who were scientists and took God at his word.

 

[doctrox]

3,000 miles above the earth

Rather,

Around 3,000 (or less)

So, when we consider the relative sizes and distances, they're more or less equal; the differences are negligible. In other words, if we can see the flat-earth sun, we can see the actual sun. That means that any claim that those who believe science have "been lied to," would also apply to flat-earthers.

Incorrect. You presume the very thing to be proved i.e. a distance of X-millions of miles. Your "comparative calculations" are a straw man argument, thus your conclusion is forfeit. Further, documented "science" deceptions encompass a lot more than your "actual sun" straw.

It's a failure to understand how to interpret and understand different genres and figures of speech

and

These are serious errors in failing to properly understand how to interpret Scripture.

You want it both ways. However, "When the bad is blended with the good, the bad destroys the good." - maxim of law

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. (Exo. 29)

Again,

I believe the Bible and NASA, because God himself says:

Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. (Job 14:4)

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (Exo. 29)

The fear of man has brought you a snare.
The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe. (Pro. 29)

Modern science largely began because of believers who were scientists and took God at his word.

...mere rhetoric at best, another lie at worst - another non sequitur all around.

 

[David in NJ]

Looking at the two above posts, the second proves the first one is false.

1. "According to NASA/globalists," the "Sun is 93,000,000 miles from earth" and the "Moon is 238,855 miles from the earth." According to the same, the sun is also about 864,600 miles in diameter and the moon 2,159 miles.

1a) 864,600 / 93,000,000 = 0.0093
1b) 2,159 / 238,855 = 0.009

2. According to doctrox, and presumably other flat-earthers, the sun is about 3,000 miles above the earth and about 30 miles in diameter.

2a) 30 / 3,000 = 0.01

Another way to look at it, is that the (supposed) distance from earth to sun of 3,000 miles is 0.0032% that of what science tells us (93,000,000 miles). The diameter of the flat-earth sun is 0.0035% that of the actual sun (0.0037% if we use 32 miles).

So, when we consider the relative sizes and distances, they're more or less equal; the differences are negligible. In other words, if we can see the flat-earth sun, we can see the actual sun. That means that any claim that those who believe science have "been lied to," would also apply to flat-earthers.

Do you know how many times the distance of the sun from the earth has been dramatically altered/changed by 'scientists'???

 

[Justified]

Rather,

Lol! I knew you were going to make that argument.

Incorrect. You presume the very thing to be proved i.e. a distance of X-millions of miles. Your "comparative calculations" are a straw man argument, thus your conclusion is forfeit. Further, documented "science" deceptions encompass a lot more than your "actual sun" straw.

No. Please learn what a straw man argument is first before claiming someone is using it. I have nothing to prove. The argument was first made by a flat-earther using NASA distances. I simply also provided the diameters.

Another problem here is that you're being hypocritical, since you're presuming the very things I am.

and

You want it both ways. However, "When the bad is blended with the good, the bad destroys the good." - maxim of law

Once again, you're being hypocritical, since you also want it both ways.

Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (Exodus 29)

And now you misuse and abuse Scripture, because you yet again fail to understand context.

Again,

Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? not one. (Job 14:4)

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you, And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. (Exo. 29)

More misuse and abuse of Scripture because you don't understand context.

The fear of man has brought you a snare.
The fear of man bringeth a snare: but whoso putteth his trust in the Lord shall be safe. (Pro. 29)

Not at all.

...mere rhetoric at best, another lie at worst - a non sequitur.

No, historical fact. They believed God's words and that since God is a God of order and created the universe, that we could discover things about his creation.