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[WPM]

I don't see a problem here. This is a 7 year covenant with many that can be confirmed by the Antichrist in the near future.


Nothing in this covenant needs to be connected to Israel beyond they are one of the many.

In the midst of the week, he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

Daniel 9
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

These verses identify both the Antichrist that will cause the sacrifice to cease and the covenant itself.

Daniel 9:27 says, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

This whole passage is focused upon Calvary and the irreversible effect it had on Israel’s religious sacrifices and the oblations. The first thing we see is that in God’s economy it caused them to cease. In the economy of the religious Jews at the time of Calvary they stubbornly and sinfully continued to practice their sacrifices. The whole focus of Jewish religious worship was centered on the temple. It was here that the Jews came to make their typical atoning sacrifices.

The Judaic religious sacrificial system was brought to an end through Christ’s one final all-sufficient sacrifice at the cross. God Almighty, through the person of His Son. As Jesus was dying, he cried: “It is finished.”

At Calvary, Jesus finished transgression by becoming sin for us. God was completely satisfied with this spotless once all-sufficient sacrifice of His own dear Son and thus immediately and eternally rent the veil of the temple in twain. Calvary therefore finished the imperfect sacrifices. Mark 15:37 records, “Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.”

From a heavenly perspective the renting of the veil finished the temple sacrifices and oblations. Christ’s vicarious atonement satisfied all the just demands of a thrice-holy God. In this term we see how Christ has met or satisfied all the demands made by the Law and justice of God, on behalf of and in the place of his elect. By His self sacrifice he obtained complete justification for the child of God. The consequence of Christ’s atonement was the putting away of the old, forever, including the subsequent and consequential destruction of the physical Jewish temple.

 

[The Light]

Where are you getting this from?

This part comes from Daniel 9:27

"It won't be known if this is the 7 year covenant with many of Daniel 9 until it is confirmed by the Antichrist."


This part comes from understanding that the Church is in heaven in Rev 5 before the seals are opened. The rider on the white horse, the prince that shall come, doesn't receive power until the 1st seal is opened. Hence, the Church will be in heaven before the Antichrist shows up.

"The Church will be raptured before the covenant is confirmed because the Antichrist will not be in power until after the Church is in heaven."

 

[claninja]

This part comes from Daniel 9:27

"It won't be known if this is the 7 year covenant with many of Daniel 9 until it is confirmed by the Antichrist."


This part comes from understanding that the Church is in heaven in Rev 5 before the seals are opened. The rider on the white horse, the prince that shall come, doesn't receive power until the 1st seal is opened. Hence, the Church will be in heaven before the Antichrist shows up.

"The Church will be raptured before the covenant is confirmed because the Antichrist will not be in power until after the Church is in heaven."

None of this says what you claim. Nothing says the church is in heaven prior to the seals being opened. Nothing says the white horse rider is the antichrist nor that he makes a covenant…..

So, again, not really sure where you are getting any of this from?

 

[The Light]

None of this says what you claim. Nothing says the church is in heaven prior to the seals being opened.

Here is the Church in heaven before the 1st seal is opened.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Nothing says the white horse rider is the antichrist nor that he makes a covenant…..

The rider on the white horse is the 7th king, the prince that shall come.

The prince that shall come does not make a covenant, he confirms a 7 year covenant with many.

So, again, not really sure where you are getting any of this from?

I don't know how to explain it much better. Sorry.

 

[David in NJ]

This part comes from Daniel 9:27

"It won't be known if this is the 7 year covenant with many of Daniel 9 until it is confirmed by the Antichrist."


This part comes from understanding that the Church is in heaven in Rev 5 before the seals are opened. The rider on the white horse, the prince that shall come, doesn't receive power until the 1st seal is opened. Hence, the Church will be in heaven before the Antichrist shows up.

"The Church will be raptured before the covenant is confirmed because the Antichrist will not be in power until after the Church is in heaven."

Be BOLD in TRUTH

Be QUITE in your own estimation.

LISTEN to the HOLY SPIRIT of TRUTH = HE only Speaks that which brings Glory to CHRIST.

SUBMIT to the LORD Jesus Christ who submitted to His FATHER and died for our sins.

WALK in the light of the Word as HE is The LIGHT and The WORD.

TURN AWAY from the false prophets of today who change the Prophecy of CHRIST to be praised by men and for $$$

WHEN you DO, the LIGHT of TRUTH will CLEAR your mind and Understanding will flourish inside you.

SHALOM

 

[claninja]

Here is the Church in heaven before the 1st seal is opened.

Revelation 5
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

This doesn’t say the church is in heaven.

The rider on the white horse is the 7th king, the prince that shall come.

The prince that shall come does not make a covenant, he confirms a 7 year covenant with many.

This doesn’t say the rider on the white horse is the 7th king or a “prince to come”, nor does is say that the first seal fulfills Daniel 9.

I don't know how to explain it much better. Sorry.

is it your position, that you personally have been given special revelation from God and that’s why you are claiming special interpretations that aren’t present in the text at all?

 

[rebuilder 454]

None of this says what you claim. Nothing says the church is in heaven prior to the seals being opened. Nothing says the white horse rider is the antichrist nor that he makes a covenant…..

So, again, not really sure where you are getting any of this from?

Jesus said the rapture will be pretrib

All rapture verses are pretrib.
So we do know that much.
Unless you can prove Jesus is wrong.

 

[claninja]

Jesus said the rapture will be pretrib

All rapture verses are pretrib.
So we do know that much.
Unless you can prove Jesus is wrong.

Where does Jesus say the rapture is pre trib?

 

[rebuilder 454]

Daniel 9:27 cannot refer to a United Nations “7-year Accelerated SDG Covenant” does not match the prophecy. Daniel says that “he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week”, referring to a specific person, not simply an international organization or development program. More importantly, this seven-year period is directly connected to Israel, Jerusalem, sacrifice and offering, because halfway through the period, sacrifice and offering are stopped, followed by the abomination of desolation. The UN Sustainable Development Goals have no connection to a Jewish Temple, sacrifices, or these events. Simply having a program that lasts seven years does not fulfill Daniel's prophecy. The prophecy requires far more specific signs, and those signs are not found in the UN SDG program. We have to look elsewhere for this prophecy the Abraham accords may be the prelude to another accord they may be signing when the present one expires in 2027, quite is happening right now in the middle east and we see some prophecy being accomplished at this time, for example Gaza...

Yes.
Plus we know that the AC kicks off the 7 yr trib.
We know that.
He, THE AC, Arrives with a bow in his hand.
Bow, represents covenant.
( the bow in the sky from the flood, symbolizes covenant...God using a bow as a representative)
We know this.
We know from Daniel the trib is 7 yrs.
We know this.
We know halfway into it , the AC inaugurates the AOD.
We know this.
Jesus taught a pretrib rapture.
We know this.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Where does Jesus say the rapture is pre trib?

All rapture setting are pretrib.
Jesus taught lot was removed pretrib.
Postribbers would reverse that to " lot removed postrib"
Noah was gathered into the ark pretrib/preflood.
"Ark" is a type of heaven.
Postribbers, I assume, need Noah gathered postflood.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the groom.
We know this.

Matthew 25 is a vivid depiction of the pre tribulation rapture.
Matthew 24 has a setting of Jesus's coming before the flood.
We know this

Acts chapter one has Jesus departing in the air alone with no Crown. No flaming sword, no horses, no warrior posture.
...And it is not from a destroyed Earth with half of earths population slaughtered, and all the saints dead from the Antichrist.
So acts, chapter one, alone, destroys any posttrib setting or post trib rapture.

Then we have revelation 14 verse 14 that has a gathering of Jewish covenant people, the main harvest, and that is midway into the 7 year tribulation.
That gathering of revelation 14 in no way shape or form can be the rapture of the church.

There is much more.
Like the saints completely destroyed, martyred, by the AC.

...unless the bible lies to us.

 

[Davy]

Jesus said the rapture will be pretrib

All rapture verses are pretrib.
So we do know that much.
Unless you can prove Jesus is wrong.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (Shakespeare's Hamlet)

 

[rebuilder 454]

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks." (Shakespeare's Hamlet)

Nothing to do with anything.
All personal and lame.
Get a bible.

 

[Davy]

Nothing to do with anything.
All personal and lame.
Get a bible.

Obviously, by your continually posting the SAME STATEMEMT over and over, you think that means it will be effective in swaying brethren here. No, it's instead a sign of desperation.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Obviously, by your continually posting the SAME STATEMEMT over and over, you think that means it will be effective in swaying brethren here. No, it's instead a sign of desperation.

No bible huh?
Sad

 

[The Light]

This doesn’t say the church is in heaven.

No. It says the kings and priests are in heaven before the throne.

Who are the kings and priests? The Church.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

This doesn’t say the rider on the white horse is the 7th king or a “prince to come”, nor does is say that the first seal fulfills Daniel 9.

It should be common knowledge that there is a total of 8 kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come. The one to come is the 7th king. Do you see anyone else given a crown in the book of Revelation besides the rider on the white horse?

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The prince that shall come, will be the 7th king when he is given the stephanos crown, the symbol of the UN.

Revelation 6
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

is it your position, that you personally have been given special revelation from God and that’s why you are claiming special interpretations that aren’t present in the text at all?

No. It's my opinion that I read what the Word of God says and accept exactly what is written.

For instance, the 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel are exactly what the Word of God says they are. Many believe falsely that this is the Church, but it's not. I don't make crap up or spiritualize. The Bible explains the Bible.

 

[claninja]

All rapture setting are pretrib.
Jesus taught lot was removed pretrib.
Postribbers would reverse that to " lot removed postrib"
Noah was gathered into the ark pretrib/preflood.
"Ark" is a type of heaven.
Postribbers, I assume, need Noah gathered postflood.

The rapture is the gathering of the bride by the groom.
We know this.

Matthew 25 is a vivid depiction of the pre tribulation rapture.
Matthew 24 has a setting of Jesus's coming before the flood.
We know this

Acts chapter one has Jesus departing in the air alone with no Crown. No flaming sword, no horses, no warrior posture.
...And it is not from a destroyed Earth with half of earths population slaughtered, and all the saints dead from the Antichrist.
So acts, chapter one, alone, destroys any posttrib setting or post trib rapture.

Then we have revelation 14 verse 14 that has a gathering of Jewish covenant people, the main harvest, and that is midway into the 7 year tribulation.
That gathering of revelation 14 in no way shape or form can be the rapture of the church.

There is much more.
Like the saints completely destroyed, martyred, by the AC.

...unless the bible lies to us.

None of this, clearly or specifically, mentions Jesus saying there will be a Pre trib rapture.

Looking at Jesus’ words in the olivet discourse - the fleeing of Jerusalem occurs PRIOR to the great tribulation, but the gathering of the elect by the angels occurs AFTER the great tribulation.

Which part are applying the rapture to? The fleeing from Jerusalem PRIOR to the great tribulation or the gathering of the elect by the ANGELS after the great tribulation?

 

[The Light]

All rapture setting are pretrib.

Negative. Only the rapture of the Church is before the great tribulation.

Jesus taught lot was removed pretrib.

Negative. Lot is removed before God pours out wrath.

Lot is a picture of the Jews rapture before destruction. The very day Lot leaves Sodom destruction comes, same as destruction will come in the one year day of vengeance.

Isaiah 34
8 For it is the day of the Lord's vengeance, and the year of recompences for the controversy of Zion.

Matthew 25 is a vivid depiction of the pre tribulation rapture.

Exactly

Matthew 24 has a setting of Jesus's coming before the flood.

Exactly. Jesus comes at the 6th seal immediately after the great tribulation but before He pours out wrath on the earth. Believers are not appointed to wrath.

Great tribulation is when the dragon is killing believers. Gods wrath is when God is pouring out wrath on unbelievers.

Then we have revelation 14 verse 14 that has a gathering of Jewish covenant people, the main harvest, and that is midway into the 7 year tribulation.
That gathering of revelation 14 in no way shape or form can be the rapture of the church.

How can the Jews be gathered at the midpoint of the week? It is the Jews that go through the great tribulation as it is the time of Jacobs trouble.

The AOD is set up in the middle of the week and then the great tribulation begins. IMMMEDIATELY after the great tribulation Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the harvest of the Jews before the 7th seal wrath of God.

This is why there is a great multitude in heaven in Revelation 7, many of whom came out of great tribulation. The Church and the Jews are in heaven during the ONE YEAR wrath of God. We are at the marriage supper. Then we return with the armies of heaven for Armageddon.

 

[claninja]

No. It says the kings and priests are in heaven before the throne.

Who are the kings and priests? The Church.

4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;

5 And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,

6 And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Where does it specifically say the kings and priests “ARE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE THRONE” prior to the first sealing being opened? I don’t see that.

should be common knowledge that there is a total of 8 kings. Five have fallen, one is, and the other is not yet come. The one to come is the 7th king. Do you see anyone else given a crown in the book of Revelation besides the rider on the white horse?

Revelation 17
10 And there are seven kings: five are fallen, and one is, and the other is not yet come; and when he cometh, he must continue a short space.
11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.

The prince that shall come, will be the 7th king when he is given the stephanos crown, the symbol of the UN.

Revelation 6
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals, and I heard, as it were the noise of thunder, one of the four beasts saying, Come and see.

2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

I don’t see any mention of the white rider as being the 7th king nor making a covenant. A crown doesn’t make him the “7th” king.

The stephanos crown, symbol of the UN? where are you getting any of this?

No. It's my opinion that I read what the Word of God says and accept exactly what is written.

For instance, the 144,000 first fruits from the 12 tribes of Israel are exactly what the Word of God says they are. Many believe falsely that this is the Church, but it's not. I don't make crap up or spiritualize. The Bible explains the Bible.

The Bible nowhere states or explains the "stephanos crown" being given to the 7th king is the symbol of the UN
The Bible nowhere states or explains that the white rider is the 7th king, fulfilling the prince of daniel 9.
The Bible nowhere states or explains the kings and priests are in heaven before the thrown prior to the first seal being open

These things are made up by you.

 

[The Light]

Where does it specifically say the kings and priests “ARE IN HEAVEN BEFORE THE THRONE” prior to the first sealing being opened? I don’t see that.

Rev 5
7 And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

I don’t see any mention of the white rider as being the 7th king

Six kings have already happened. The next king is the 7th king. The rider on the white horse is given a crown.

If you can't see it, it's okay. There's no shame in that.

nor making a covenant.

He doesn't make a covenant he confirms a covenant.

A crown doesn’t make him the “7th” king.

I guess you are unaware that the thing that hath been is that which shall be and that which is done is that that shall be done and there is no new thing under the sun.

You seem unaware that a world government is right around the corner.

If you don't see it, there's no shame in that.

The stephanos crown, symbol of the UN? where are you getting any of this?

Revelation was originally written in Greek. The Greek word stephanos is what was in the original Greek. It is the leaf crown of victory.

The Bible nowhere states or explains the "stephanos crown" being given to the 7th king is the symbol of the UN

How many kings are there. There will be 8. The next king is the 7th king. If you don't understand that the next king will be the rider on the white horse, there's no shame in that.

The Bible nowhere states or explains that the white rider is the 7th king, fulfilling the prince of daniel 9.

Ditto.......no shame.

The Bible nowhere states or explains the kings and priests are in heaven before the thrown prior to the first seal being open

These things are made up by you.

Try reading Revelation 5. It occurs before Rev. 6 which starts with the 1st seal rider on the white horse.
If you can't grasp the concept that 5 comes before 6 then there is shame in that. It's these public schools.

 

[WPM]

I don't see a problem here. This is a 7 year covenant with many that can be confirmed by the Antichrist in the near future.


Nothing in this covenant needs to be connected to Israel beyond they are one of the many.

In the midst of the week, he will cause the sacrifice and oblation to cease.

Daniel 9
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

These verses identify both the Antichrist that will cause the sacrifice to cease and the covenant itself.

Daniel 9:27 says, “And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

This whole passage is focused upon Calvary and the irreversible effect it had on Israel’s religious sacrifices and the oblations. The first thing we see is that in God’s economy it caused them to cease. In the economy of the religious Jews at the time of Calvary they stubbornly and sinfully continued to practice their sacrifices. The whole focus of Jewish religious worship was centered on the temple. It was here that the Jews came to make their typical atoning sacrifices.

The Judaic religious sacrificial system was brought to an end through Christ’s one final all-sufficient sacrifice at the cross. God Almighty, through the person of His Son. As Jesus was dying, he cried: “It is finished.”

At Calvary, Jesus finished transgression by becoming sin for us. God was completely satisfied with this spotless once all-sufficient sacrifice of His own dear Son and thus immediately and eternally rent the veil of the temple in twain. Calvary therefore finished the imperfect sacrifices. Mark 15:37 records, “Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost. And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.”

From a heavenly perspective the renting of the veil finished the temple sacrifices and oblations. Christ’s vicarious atonement satisfied all the just demands of a thrice-holy God. In this term we see how Christ has met or satisfied all the demands made by the Law and justice of God, on behalf of and in the place of his elect. By His self sacrifice he obtained complete justification for the child of God. The consequence of Christ’s atonement was the putting away of the old, forever, including the subsequent and consequential destruction of the physical Jewish temple.