Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

[Truth7t7]

This of course fits.

Jews in Israel aren't going to accept a Muslim as their Messiah "Laughable"

 

[Truth7t7]

No, rod is used to break up the nations power to fight back, leaving the individuals alive to be ruled over,

God's word clearly states that the wicked will be "Destroyed" at the return of Jesus, your claims are silenced

(Destroyed Them "All")

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[WPM]

I think he is amil.
They use a different Bible.
They are just short of being a cult.
That is why you are seeing some bizarre mess and tedious nonsense.

A Bible inspired by God not corrupted by man (Scoffield).

 

[WPM]

I think he is amil.
They use a different Bible.
They are just short of being a cult.
That is why you are seeing some bizarre mess and tedious nonsense.

Your bitterness and hatred are palpable.

 

[WPM]

So studying and discussing scripture is tedious and a bizarre mess... and even different bibles too..
I understand now Amil wears you out .

I think he is so frustarted at being unable to answer any biblical Amil arguments he feels the need to hurl abuse at fellow believers.

 

[ewq1938]

God's word clearly states that the wicked will be "Destroyed" at the return of Jesus, your claims are silenced

No, it doesn't.

(Destroyed The "All")

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

You know that all of humanity can't fit into that one city right? You know the example of Sodom was a very limited slaughter but you continue to misuse it to "prove" a global slaughter when it was never a global slaughter. This is not bible study but pure Eisegesis.

 

[The Light]

Jews in Israel aren't going to accept a Muslim as their Messiah "Laughable"

Gee. Please produce a scripture that says that the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah.

I want to see this scripture. What chapter and verse is that?

My Bible says that the one third of the Jews flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

What Bible are you using and what does it say?

 

[Truth7t7]

I think he is so frustarted at being unable to answer any biblical Amil arguments he feels the need to hurl abuse at fellow believers.

I Agree, When Your Wrong Admit It And Carry On

You Mentioned Scofield, The Vast Majority Of Dispy's Don't Have A Clue Of The Foundations Of Men They Follow

Adulterer C.I. Scofield and his Adulterous wife (Hettie Van Wart) created a reference Bible in 1909 that maintained John N. Darby's teachings in the margins, this was the greatest world influence in deceiving the English speakibg world into the false teachings found in Dispensationalism

 

[Truth7t7]

Gee. Please produce a scripture that says that the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah.

I want to see this scripture. What chapter and verse is that?

My Bible says that the one third of the Jews flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

What Bible are you using and what does it say?

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

 

[ewq1938]

Gee. Please produce a scripture that says that the Jews will accept the Antichrist as their Messiah.

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All non-Christians will and even most Christians will which is the Apostasy.

My Bible says that the one third of the Jews flee to a place of protection when the AOD is set up.

All non-Christians will accept the AC.

Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev_16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The devil, the beast kingdom and the beast/AC will deceive the whole world. Only those in the BoL will not.

 

[Truth7t7]

No, it doesn't.




You know that all of humanity can't fit into that one city right? You know the example of Sodom was a very limited slaughter but you continue to misuse it to "prove" a global slaughter when it was never a global slaughter. This is not bible study but pure Eisegesis.

1 Samuel 15:23KJV
23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation

Nope. Rev 19 proves that false.

 

[Davy]

Sigh..., Apostle Paul showed that on the "last trump", the 7th Trumpet, ALL still alive on earth will be 'changed', at the twinkling of an eye (fast as one can blink). He was NOT only speaking about those in Christ being changed. The wicked will be changed to their "spiritual body" also on that day.

1 Cor 15:49-53
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

For the wicked that have already died, they will be of the "resurrection unto damnation" that Lord Jesus pointed to in the John 5:28-29 Scripture about His future coming. That means also a RESURRECTION FROM THE DEAD for the wicked also! And what type of body did Apostle Paul teach that is of the future resurrection? A "SPIRITUAL BODY".

That "spiritual body" is simply about a VEHICLE in the heavenly realm for one's 'soul'. It is about our spirit that God also created us with that dwells inside our flesh body with our soul. The wicked are going to have that "spiritual body" also, BUT... their mortal souls will still be LIABLE TO DIE at the "second death". The souls of those in Christ of the 1st resurrection instead will put on immortality and not be subject to the "second death".

And all those nations mentioned in Revelation 20 that Christ and His elect will reign over for the "thousand years", they represent the UNSAVED whose souls will still be in a mortal liable to perish at the second death state.

 

[Scott Downey]

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All non-Christians will and even most Christians will which is the Apostasy.



All non-Christians will accept the AC.

Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev_16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The devil, the beast kingdom and the beast/AC will deceive the whole world. Only those in the BoL will not.

If they do, we read the punishment in Revelation 14

8 And there followed another angel, saying, “Babylon is fallen! Fallen is that great city, because she made all nations drink of the wine of the wrath of her fornication.”

9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead or in his hand,

10 the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out unmixed into the cup of His indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever; and they have no rest day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.”

12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

13 And I heard a voice from Heaven, saying unto me, “Write: ’Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from henceforth.’” “Yea,” saith the Spirit, “that they may rest from their labors, and their works do follow them.”
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Meaning they are not allowed to live on the earth with the righteous, they will not inherit the earth, but will all be killed, exactly in agreement with 2 Thess 1, in His fiery wrath.
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6 For it is a righteous thing with God to recompense with tribulation those who trouble you;

7 and to you who are troubled, rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from Heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who know not God, and who obey not the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He shall come on that Day to be glorified in His saints and to be admired in all those who believe, because our testimony among you was believed.

 

[The Light]

Revelation 13:8KJV
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Now let's keep things in context.

After the Church is raptured the world will be in chaos. The rider on the white horse will go forth conquering and to conquer. The AOD will be set up and that is when the Jews are told to flee without going back into their house to grab anything. Those that flee will flee to a place of protection. Those that remain will be killed.

The dragon will not be able to get to the woman, Israel, as she is in a place of protection. He goes after her seed which are the Jews around the world that are not living in Israel. Many have their eyes opened and see that Jesus is the Messiah, beginning with the 144,000 first fruits from 12 tribes.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you think that they are going to want the Jews to take the mark? Or do you think that the Jews will be hunted and killed?

And no need to with the yada, yada, yada, no pretribulation rapture, yada, yada, yada. The part about the Jews will not change.

 

[The Light]

Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

All non-Christians will and even most Christians will which is the Apostasy.



All non-Christians will accept the AC.

Rev_12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Rev 16:13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
Rev_16:14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

The devil, the beast kingdom and the beast/AC will deceive the whole world. Only those in the BoL will not.

The Jews will be hunted and killed. They won't be taking the mark. It will be the time of Jacobs trouble.

And to any that think that Antichrist has to be a Jew.............not going to happen.

 

[rebuilder 454]

In my early walk as a newly Born again Christian, I came to a severe crash in my faith due to studying the Premillennal teachings with an 8 translation NT Bible.
I pleaded with God that He would rescue me out of my confusion, and for Him alone to teach me His Word. My prayer was answered.

Ever since then of 50 years ago, I vowed to God that I would use ONLY the KJV Bible and the Strongs/Textus Receptus Greek study references, and stop reading the foolishness that is in the books of authors for PROFIT about God!!
As an Amillennial believer, I have been extremely BLESSED!!

Tons of blessed people are in false doctrine.

As a born again pretribber, I got saved into a amil church. 50 years ago.
Once I did my own study , I saw the error big time. Saw it right away.
The Bible rules.
Thank God he did not allow me to be caught up in that mess with their changed bible.

Ask yourself why they reframe most everything, and are so nasty i have had to put 90 % of them on ignore.
Red flags in doctrine big time.
Red flags in Christ likeness big time.

All amils as far as I can see hate the Jews.
Literally despise them.

Amil almost always promotes replacement theology.
Then when challenged they play dumb and say : "huh...what is replacement theology"

They are silly and are in here to go personal and then mix in their "new definitions" of most everything.

Ask one of them about the 144,000 .
Ask if they are Jews.

Way too tedious.
Flat out goofy.

You guys need your own threads and announce who you are.
You know good and well nobody with a Bible will believe those grand canyon leaps of amil.

BTW...I NEED NO "BOOKS" . I got my Bible and interlinear.
I can debate any of your doctrinal experts.
Quite handily.
However, Your big headedness and condescension is too tedious.

A really nasty bunch.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Now let's keep things in context.

After the Church is raptured the world will be in chaos. The rider on the white horse will go forth conquering and to conquer. The AOD will be set up and that is when the Jews are told to flee without going back into their house to grab anything. Those that flee will flee to a place of protection. Those that remain will be killed.

The dragon will not be able to get to the woman, Israel, as she is in a place of protection. He goes after her seed which are the Jews around the world that are not living in Israel. Many have their eyes opened and see that Jesus is the Messiah, beginning with the 144,000 first fruits from 12 tribes.

Revelation 12
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Do you think that they are going to want the Jews to take the mark? Or do you think that the Jews will be hunted and killed?

And no need to with the yada, yada, yada, no pretribulation rapture, yada, yada, yada. The part about the Jews will not change.

I think most of this we do agree on.

 

[rebuilder 454]

The fallacy of pre-millennialism is that they DO understand that Christ will have three manifestations (comings), but they are in mass confusion, and therefore are at a loss as to HOW and WHEN each manifestation/coming takes place.
They are:
1. PAST- He CAME to us in mortal flesh.
2. PRESENT- He IS COMING to us by His Holy Spirit.
3. FUTURE- He SHALL COME again in the Glory of His Immortality, in flaming fire.

We are not the ones pretending there are no Jews, and casting down who the 144,000 are.
Nor do we pretend the gt is come and gone, nor that the AC has come and gone.

Amil is a "history twist".

Anyone can see its folly.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I was right there with you tight up until your last sentence.
Amil is false.

That testimony of :" i was tortured B y pretribber teachers with 8 bibles"....Is pretty far out there.
Not believable.